Home | Community | Message Board

MRCA Tyroler Gluckspilze
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | Next >  [ show all ]
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
OfflinePussyFart
Retired Cultivation Extrodinaire
Male


Registered: 04/08/12
Posts: 22,502
Loc: Orbiting Earth
Last seen: 16 days, 7 hours
Trusted Cultivator
Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19211320 - 12/01/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I doubt anyone will try it if they read past the first post.....


Edited by PussyFart (12/01/13 06:23 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
π“‚€βŸπ“…’π“π“…ƒπ“Š°π“‰‘ 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
    #19211326 - 12/01/13 06:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

True, the thread got loaded with misinformation from a bunch of trolls.

I bet someone will try it, but whether or not they post it is another story.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSizlChest
Padawan
Male User Gallery


Registered: 09/29/13
Posts: 814
Loc: Texas Flag
Last seen: 1 day, 21 hours
Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19211329 - 12/01/13 06:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
I don't grow actives because it isn't worth it.

:lol:

Maybe in a couple months I'll turn it into a pictorial for you guys, if no one shows it works first.





Quote:

teknix said:
True, the thread got loaded with misinformation from a bunch of trolls.

I bet someone will try it, but whether or not they post it is another story.




:sosleepy:


--------------------
PrimalSoup's Tea Tek

"I always say the tea is like eating a burning tire covered in dog shit while someone steps on your nuts. Good luck!"
"Hell, shrooms have blown up from under me and kicked my ass on 2 grams once."
"I think ill eat some shrooms right about now, and ill continue to until it doesnt feel like the right thing to do."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTheCyndicate
Conglomerate
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/16/11
Posts: 1,195
Loc: Outer Haven
Last seen: 5 years, 8 months
Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: SizlChest]
    #19211787 - 12/01/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I can not believe I read that ..... If was funny though . :rofl:

Cyn


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblebodhisattaMDiscordReddit
Smurf real estate agent
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 61,889
Loc: Milky way
Trusted Cultivator
Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: TheCyndicate]
    #19211836 - 12/01/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I came I saw I facepalmed. I'm sure glad I got here late.

This thread has my What the Fuck is the OP Thinking
:smbfacepalm:
Don't try this garbage
Stamp of Disapproval

:goodluckwiththat2:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePsilicon
Really Nice Guy


Registered: 08/26/12
Posts: 7,057
Last seen: 3 years, 1 month
Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19211853 - 12/01/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
I don't grow actives because it isn't worth it.

:lol:

Maybe in a couple months I'll turn it into a pictorial for you guys, if no one shows it works first.






If you order an oyster mushroom syringe from Workman you can have fruits and pictures within a month.  Oyster is much, much easier to grow than cubensis, but hey, we'll understand if you're afraid to post pictures on the internet.  Just something to give us a general feeling that this won't all contaminate horribly would be nice, because I'm pretty sure this will all contaminate horribly.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinedaltonvz
Stranger
Male


Registered: 11/15/13
Posts: 104
Loc: North Dakota Flag
Last seen: 9 years, 9 months
Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
    #19211914 - 12/01/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe someone should delete this thread?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKizzle
Misanthrope
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/30/11
Posts: 9,854
Last seen: 6 hours, 41 minutes
Trusted Cultivator
Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: daltonvz]
    #19212059 - 12/01/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Why? There's a lot of good information in it, not counting the original post.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
π“‚€βŸπ“…’π“π“…ƒπ“Š°π“‰‘ 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Kizzle]
    #19213163 - 12/01/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

RR doesn't understand the physics of his tek, obviously making shit up and changing his story about the difference multiple times.

There is no nuance that allows water to be heated higher because the surrounding atmosphere is more humid, that is fucking absurd. And if there is such a nuance then point it out by name.

His tek is in no fucking way sterilizing the flour, I don't care how many disagree.

He was obviously wrong about what constitutes steam, so I wonder what else he is wrong about.


Edited by teknix (12/01/13 03:02 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
π“‚€βŸπ“…’π“π“…ƒπ“Š°π“‰‘ 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
    #19213190 - 12/01/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

van der griegen said:
Quote:

teknix said:
I don't grow actives because it isn't worth it.

:lol:

Maybe in a couple months I'll turn it into a pictorial for you guys, if no one shows it works first.






If you order an oyster mushroom syringe from Workman you can have fruits and pictures within a month.  Oyster is much, much easier to grow than cubensis, but hey, we'll understand if you're afraid to post pictures on the internet.  Just something to give us a general feeling that this won't all contaminate horribly would be nice, because I'm pretty sure this will all contaminate horribly.




It doesn't contaminate. I'll prove it to all of you later.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
π“‚€βŸπ“…’π“π“…ƒπ“Š°π“‰‘ 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19213266 - 12/01/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Another point of evidence is that suggested temperature is 72-75 or some bogus made up shit now, when it used to be 85, and it is 85 in the real world, but the cakes aren't sterilized so the incubation at optimal temperatures can germinate the spores that weren't killed in his steaming.

Germs don't spontaneously generate because of heat. It's because they were never all killed in the first place.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePsilicon
Really Nice Guy


Registered: 08/26/12
Posts: 7,057
Last seen: 3 years, 1 month
Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19213338 - 12/01/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
There is no nuance that allows water to be heated higher because the surrounding atmosphere is more humid, that is fucking absurd. And if there is such a nuance then point it out by name.




There is a limit to how much water can be a constituent part of an air mix.  The ratio of water in the air to the maximum amount of water in the air for any given temperature is called the relative humidity, and once you reach saturation evaporation ceases.  In a pot it doesn't completely cease, since moisture is being lost as the lid pops up, but yeah, there's  direct correlation between the boiling point and the partial pressure of the gas above it.

This is why water boils at a cooler temperature on mountains.

If you don't believe it, either stick a thermometer in a pot of boiling water and compare it to the boiling point at sea level on a chart and see how it correlates to your elevation (yes, it IS that documented) or boil a pot of water and put a lid on it.  Then take the lid off, and then put the lid on it.


--------------------
Agar - what, why and how?  Everything a beginner needs to know.
Oat Prep Tek
Bored?  Please take one of my experiments off my hands.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
π“‚€βŸπ“…’π“π“…ƒπ“Š°π“‰‘ 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
    #19213361 - 12/01/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

van der griegen said:
Quote:

teknix said:
I don't grow actives because it isn't worth it.

:lol:

Maybe in a couple months I'll turn it into a pictorial for you guys, if no one shows it works first.






If you order an oyster mushroom syringe from Workman you can have fruits and pictures within a month.  Oyster is much, much easier to grow than cubensis, but hey, we'll understand if you're afraid to post pictures on the internet.  Just something to give us a general feeling that this won't all contaminate horribly would be nice, because I'm pretty sure this will all contaminate horribly.




Thanks for the offer, but I can go to the store and clone one.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
π“‚€βŸπ“…’π“π“…ƒπ“Š°π“‰‘ 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
    #19213391 - 12/01/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

van der griegen said:


This is why water boils at a cooler temperature on mountains.







Water boils at lower temperatures at a higher altitude because there is less pressure, not humidity. IE: the boiling point is when atmospheric pressure = vapor pressure.

A lower atmosphere therefore reduces the vapor pressure required to match it.

the water inside the little pot that he is boiling is never going to reach 250 degree's.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
π“‚€βŸπ“…’π“π“…ƒπ“Š°π“‰‘ 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
    #19213422 - 12/01/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would suggest an experiment for you, put a thermometer in a cake that is boiling using RR method and then do it with the lid off and more water, there will not be much, if any difference.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePsilicon
Really Nice Guy


Registered: 08/26/12
Posts: 7,057
Last seen: 3 years, 1 month
Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19213445 - 12/01/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You have several fundamental misunderstandings of how phase transitions occur, and if you can't be bothered to look any of this up I think I'm going to have to decline participating in this conversation any longer.


--------------------
Agar - what, why and how?  Everything a beginner needs to know.
Oat Prep Tek
Bored?  Please take one of my experiments off my hands.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
π“‚€βŸπ“…’π“π“…ƒπ“Š°π“‰‘ 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
    #19213481 - 12/01/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Listen, do you think you are increasing the pressure by covering it with a lid? If so by how much? Is it even 1 PSI? Why wouldn't the tray do the same thing being covered?

The atmosphere outside of a pressure cooker isn't increased when you are pressure cooking, only the pressure within the container is.

There is fundamentally no difference that I can see.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePsilicon
Really Nice Guy


Registered: 08/26/12
Posts: 7,057
Last seen: 3 years, 1 month
Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19213486 - 12/01/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
Listen, do you think you are increasing the pressure by covering it with a lid?




No. 

Quote:

teknix said:If so by how much? Is it even 1 PSI? Why wouldn't the tray do the same thing being covered?




It would be 1 PSI if the lid weighed one pound per square inch.

A tray won't do the same thing when covered because it's not surrounded by moist air which conveys heat much better, and because the partial pressure of water surrounding it is low and any crack or leak in the aluminum will allow gas to billow out.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
π“‚€βŸπ“…’π“π“…ƒπ“Š°π“‰‘ 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19213487 - 12/01/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Is there a difference in the temperature acheived in a substrate in a PC regardless of the container that is within the PC or no container within the pc at all?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSpitballJedi
Ancient Astronaut
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/13/12
Posts: 8,598
Loc: Nibiru Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19213488 - 12/01/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I can't believe I just read all that. What's harder to believe is that RR got sucked in by a troll. That's some mighty fine trollin
:raisemyglass:

Just for those who lack exerience and/or may consider the validity of the OP:

Sometimes doing things wrong can actually work. The folks that are arguing against the OP are really trying to establish what's best practice for best chance of success. They are also trying to establish the science behind the best practices.

The appearance of water vapors does not require boiling water and therefore is in no way an indicator of adequate temperatures for sterilizing.

However, boiling water provides steam and steam is enough to sterilize BRF cakes for 90 minutes and whole grains for about 8 hours.

Steam sterilizing in jars locks in most of the moisture because of the equalized pressure and the presents of 100% humidity at boiling temperature.

The heat from the steam transfers to the core of the jars...given enough time.

Because the oven is dry, the water vapor will transfer from the substrate while it's heating. This will result in slower heating of the substrate and simultaneously drying it out.

Given enough time, the end result could possibly be sterile substrate, but likely will be very dry. But, sterility is still unlikely because vermiculite does not transfer heat very well. Vermiculite is sometimes used as an insulter for this reason.

As soon as the substrate begins to cool, the substrate won't be sterile anymore. This is because the only contam barrier is a piece of foil. You will not be able to secure the foil enough to make it an effective contam barrier.

Flours and grains are very rich in nutrition and will contaminate very easily unless kept in a sterile environment. The exception is, of course, when they are completely dry.

If you are actually trying to be successful at growing mushrooms, do not follow the OP's tek.

No matter what you are trying to do in the oven, the result will likely be, at beast, improper hydration. Water baths and steam are the preferred methods of sterilizing and pasteurization because of the control of heat and moisture. Regardless of science and understanding, decades of experimentation have proved this. Ovens suck for mycology purposes.


--------------------
The Basics
A little civility goes a long way

The Noob Forum
The Hammock Hangers' Forum


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | Next >  [ show all ]

Shop: Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* hips bulk tek-aka "oven tek" Passthedutchie 2,019 7 03/12/03 10:44 AM
by Passthedutchie
* Oven Tek illegalsmilerk 3,693 14 11/04/02 12:00 PM
by scifi5001
* Re: Does everyone use the oven tek or something of that sort? cactus 2,029 4 05/24/00 11:57 PM
by Anonymous
* Post deleted by Administrator Anonymous 2,454 14 11/16/03 10:46 PM
by The_LosT_SouL
* Re: Oven Tek in depth please? phrozendata 2,679 14 05/25/00 04:30 PM
by shroomer9
* Oven tek... dangerous to spores? izlude 1,242 5 09/17/01 08:03 PM
by oscill8
* About the oven tek Servator 631 1 12/24/02 02:00 PM
by TinMan
* Link to the Oven Tek? Numba9 750 1 08/24/01 07:08 AM
by Shiznitz

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
15,187 topic views. 26 members, 268 guests and 116 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.027 seconds spending 0.009 seconds on 15 queries.