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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
#19211022 - 12/01/13 01:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: Shouldn't dunk and roll be separate considering there is a considerable time span between them?
Shouldn't you post a picture of any successful grow you've ever had by this method?
Nah, I don't need to.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211023 - 12/01/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said:
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teknix said: Shouldn't dunk and roll be separate considering there is a considerable time span between them?
Shouldn't you post a picture of any successful grow you've ever had by this method?
Nah, I don't need to.
Why is that? With Notahacker's Take-A-Dump tek, he can at least provide a whole bunch of pictures of cubensis growing on unpasteurized turds. You can't do the same.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
#19211025 - 12/01/13 01:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because anyone with sense can understand how and why it works, and if not then they don't need to use it.
It's not for my benefit to post it.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211026 - 12/01/13 01:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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OH DEM SHROOMS
OH DEM TUBS

OH DAT DUNK

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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19211028 - 12/01/13 01:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: I like how the OP is now trying to be part of the conversation 
I can't tell if he's trolling or just on some excellent drugs. Definitely glad I got in on the ground floor of this shit tho, has been very entertaining.
Don't try and get a pic of nothing from him, he already told me that he won't post anything incriminating 
Went through some of his posts. Some look like he was on his meds, but then I came across this classic;
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9065630#9065630
Sorry OP but you gotta admit this shit is funny
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19211031 - 12/01/13 01:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Haha yah, that one was nuts. It was before I took biology. I was goofing, but some people thought it was serious.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19211036 - 12/01/13 01:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just have to say.
DEM KINGS
DEM HOLES

DAT OAK RIDGE
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19211038 - 12/01/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: OH DEM SHROOMS

Where you from?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211040 - 12/01/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Your mom
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19211047 - 12/01/13 01:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Are you from the USA?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211050 - 12/01/13 01:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is your mom from the USA?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19211051 - 12/01/13 01:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What are you like 15 or something?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211052 - 12/01/13 01:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is your mom from the USA?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19211056 - 12/01/13 01:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I asked first.
Besides you would know if she birthed you.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211058 - 12/01/13 01:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, you did ask first.
Enough wasting time with this thread.
To anyone seeing, this:
Yes, you can boil PF cakes to sterilize them, as RR shows in his videos.
Yes, you can pasteurize/sterilize coir in any number of crappy ways and get away with it.
No, you should not try to do the same with a jar of grains.
No, you should not "oven tek" any substrate. Coir you might be able to get away with but don't ever risk it with hpoo or cpoo or coffee or what-have-you.
Here are my write ups. They are helpful if you are trying to grow mushrooms
Edited by FrankHorrigan (12/01/13 02:07 AM)
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19211060 - 12/01/13 02:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks.
Canadian prob.
You know exactly where it was going, so you dodge out. Funny guy.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19211071 - 12/01/13 02:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: Yes, you did ask first.
Enough wasting time with this thread.
To anyone seeing, this:
Yes, you can boil PF cakes to sterilize them, as RR shows in his videos.
Yes, you can pasteurize/sterilize coir in any number of crappy ways and get away with it.
No, you should not try to do the same with a jar of grains.
Here are my write ups. They are helpful if you are trying to grow mushrooms

Who the fuck said anything about a jar of grains? You only provided evidence that the tek works.

Good job, and thanks!
Flour goes in a cake and it goes in this tek, and they are both being boiled.
1 + 1 = 2 OMG!
Still didn't see any microscopy.
Edited by teknix (12/01/13 02:13 AM)
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211192 - 12/01/13 04:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: The fact is you have no idea if it will work, and don't have any good reason why it wouldn't/doesn't.
I just listed a bunch of reasons why I think it will fail.....
Not good reasons.

1st of all you are preparing bulk, second of all you aren't sterilizing anything, 3rd of all aluminum foil is covering the tray when it comes out of the oven and 4th of all you are steaming it in the oven.
1. No, you are not preparing bulk if it has flour in it.
2. Correct, it's not sterilizing. The problem is grains/flour must be sterilized.
3. Aluminum foil? It isn't a contamination barrier if that's the idea.
4. No, you are not steaming it in the oven. By definition, when the center of the substrate reaches 212F/100C, all moisture will be gone. This is why we use actual steam in a steaming pot or pressure cooker-the saturation humidity prevents the substrate drying out during heat treatment.
A tray in the oven at 350F for 1 hour will be unlikely to reach pasteurization temperature in the center of the substrate. My turkey cooked in a 350F oven for 2 1/2 hours last Thursday just to get the center to 165F, and it was at room temperature at the start of the cooking cycle. RR
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19211199 - 12/01/13 04:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh, I forgot to say,
Get rid of the flaming and attitudes please, and that applies to everyone getting pissy. RR
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19211206 - 12/01/13 04:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: The fact is you have no idea if it will work, and don't have any good reason why it wouldn't/doesn't.
I just listed a bunch of reasons why I think it will fail.....
Not good reasons.

1st of all you are preparing bulk, second of all you aren't sterilizing anything, 3rd of all aluminum foil is covering the tray when it comes out of the oven and 4th of all you are steaming it in the oven.
1. No, you are not preparing bulk if it has flour in it.
2. Correct, it's not sterilizing. The problem is grains/flour must be sterilized.
3. Aluminum foil? It isn't a contamination barrier if that's the idea.
4. No, you are not steaming it in the oven. By definition, when the center of the substrate reaches 212F/100C, all moisture will be gone. This is why we use actual steam in a steaming pot or pressure cooker-the saturation humidity prevents the substrate drying out during heat treatment.
A tray in the oven at 350F for 1 hour will be unlikely to reach pasteurization temperature in the center of the substrate. My turkey cooked in a 350F oven for 2 1/2 hours last Thursday just to get the center to 165F, and it was at room temperature at the start of the cooking cycle. RR
That's funny, because I could have swore you made a video about making cakes by boiling and using flour. (and that would not be sterilizing, but it still works, amirite?)
If so, your argument is lacking consistency, same as the other guy.
The aluminum foil holds the water inside and recycles it, just like the water cycle, evaporation, -> condensation -> precipitation.
Also the substrate coming out of the oven would kill pretty much anything that landed on it, and I'm pretty certain aluminum foil has been used as a cover in your teks as well?.
Correct, boiling is not sterilizing, I never claimed it was.
Also I think you mean that it isn't making a bulk substrate, rather than bulk, which we will have to agree to disagree on this point.
Edited by teknix (12/01/13 04:43 AM)
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