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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19210915 - 12/01/13 01:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Steaming sterilizes them bro......If you steam them for the proper amount of time.....


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
    #19210917 - 12/01/13 01:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Steaming sterilizes them bro......If you steam them for the proper amount of time.....




Ask frank if steaming = sterilizing.


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
    #19210918 - 12/01/13 01:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You're gonna be here for a while frank....get comfy....this guy is a real winner....been dealing with him all day.

According to him cakes do not need to be sterilized, you can just boil them........




Boiling cakes (like RR's video describes) IS sterilizing them. But quart jars of grains don't conduct heat like PF cakes do and therefore need to be sterilized either at 15PSI for 90 minutes or boiled for 6-8 hours. And even that boil for the grains is risky.

This is why I'm wondering what the deal is. And why no one else's definition of "bulk" is what he defines "bulk" as.

The advice still stands:

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Coir can be sterilized or pasteurized or crappily pasteurized. And it will still perform fine as bulk substrate.

Coir is good sterile or not. Dry or wet. Any consistency really.

Before you advocate a crappy, disproven tek, perhaps you should study what it is you are talking about.  If you can't define bulk substrate, then you clearly are not in the position to make broad, sweeping statements about such.

Coir will forgive you for the shittiest of procedures. For a test of your methods, use hpoo for bulk substrate.





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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19210925 - 12/01/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Because he is a troll....obvious trolls are, well.....obvious....

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19209627#19209627

^ Case and point.....


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19210927 - 12/01/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You're gonna be here for a while frank....get comfy....this guy is a real winner....been dealing with him all day.

According to him cakes do not need to be sterilized, you can just boil them........




Boiling cakes (like RR's video describes) IS sterilizing them. But quart jars of grains don't conduct heat like PF cakes do and therefore need to be sterilized either at 15PSI for 90 minutes or boiled for 6-8 hours. And even that boil for the grains is risky.

This is why I'm wondering what the deal is. And why no one else's definition of "bulk" is what he defines "bulk" as :shrug:




Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium. Evaporating water only gets to 212 max.

How you got trusted bro?


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
    #19210930 - 12/01/13 01:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Because he is a troll....obvious trolls are, well.....obvious....

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19209627#19209627

^ Case and point.....




Yep, I got that.

But I wanted to point out all the logical fallacies before letting it lie.

Sounds like a ghostinthemist style shitbird :lol:

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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19210933 - 12/01/13 01:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium.




Killing all microbial activity present in the medium. 

If you have a microscope and clean-ish environment, you would see that boiling PF cakes sterilizes them.

The same cannot be said for grains.

A simple test of boiling a quart size grain jar and PF cake jar for the same amount of time would yield the same results...PF cake good, grains bad.


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19210937 - 12/01/13 01:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You guy are trolling my thread from all appearances.


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19210939 - 12/01/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Try the tek and post the results imo.




I'm as skeptical as the others, but instead of arguing with you about the theory (they have that pretty well covered), I'd invite you to try the tek and post the results.  I don't believe you've done either.


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19210941 - 12/01/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium.




Killing all microbial activity present in the medium. 

If you have a microscope, you would see that boiling PF cakes sterilizes them.




Not activity, all microbes. Sterile is without microbes. Do you know what a prion is?


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19210943 - 12/01/13 01:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

FrankHorrigan said:
Quote:

teknix said:

Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium.




Killing all microbial activity present in the medium. 

If you have a microscope and clean-ish environment, you would see that boiling PF cakes sterilizes them.

The same cannot be said for grains.

A simple test of boiling a quart size grain jar and PF cake jar for the same amount of time would yield the same results...PF cake good, grains bad.




See? I defined it for you.


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19210944 - 12/01/13 01:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Lol, at all the armchair mycologists in here.


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19210945 - 12/01/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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teknix said:

Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium.




Killing all microbial activity present in the medium. 

If you have a microscope and clean-ish environment, you would see that boiling PF cakes sterilizes them.

The same cannot be said for grains.

A simple test of boiling a quart size grain jar and PF cake jar for the same amount of time would yield the same results...PF cake good, grains bad.




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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19210946 - 12/01/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

FrankHorrigan said:
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Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium.




Killing all microbial activity present in the medium. 

If you have a microscope and clean-ish environment, you would see that boiling PF cakes sterilizes them.

The same cannot be said for grains.

A simple test of boiling a quart size grain jar and PF cake jar for the same amount of time would yield the same results...PF cake good, grains bad.




See? I defined it for you.




Nah, you defined it for you.


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19210950 - 12/01/13 01:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

sterΒ·iΒ·lize
ˈsterΙ™ΛŒlΔ«z/Submit
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1.
make (something) free from bacteria or other living microorganisms.

Point.


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19210951 - 12/01/13 01:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium.




Killing all microbial activity present in the medium. 

If you have a microscope and clean-ish environment, you would see that boiling PF cakes sterilizes them.

The same cannot be said for grains.

A simple test of boiling a quart size grain jar and PF cake jar for the same amount of time would yield the same results...PF cake good, grains bad.




:whathesaid:

Go get some experience under your belt and get back to us.


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19210953 - 12/01/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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FrankHorrigan said:
Quote:

FrankHorrigan said:
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Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium.




Killing all microbial activity present in the medium. 

If you have a microscope and clean-ish environment, you would see that boiling PF cakes sterilizes them.

The same cannot be said for grains.

A simple test of boiling a quart size grain jar and PF cake jar for the same amount of time would yield the same results...PF cake good, grains bad.








You even got a scope bro?


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19210955 - 12/01/13 01:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yep, and done the tests.

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FrankHorrigan said:
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Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium.




Killing all microbial activity present in the medium. 

If you have a microscope and clean-ish environment, you would see that boiling PF cakes sterilizes them.

The same cannot be said for grains.

A simple test of boiling a quart size grain jar and PF cake jar for the same amount of time would yield the same results...PF cake good, grains bad.




:whathesaid:

Go get some experience under your belt and get back to us.




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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19210956 - 12/01/13 01:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I take that as a no?

My experience exceeds that of growing cubes, lol.

You got a trusted tag and don't even know what sterilization is.


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19210959 - 12/01/13 01:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You even got a scope bro?




Quote:

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Yep, and done the tests.





And you haven't.

Obviously :lol:


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