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Kizzle
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210739 - 12/01/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: The water starts steaming at below 212 bro, and it will be steaming a good amount of time, anyways I'm not here to try to convince you it works, use it or don't.
I know it works, and that's pretty much all the assurance you are gonna get unless you try it.
You might want to define bulk and then define substrate and then decide if it qualifies.
That's drying your substrate not steaming it. Steaming is transferring heat to your substrate with steam not from.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210742 - 12/01/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nah, we posted about the same time, I decided to look it up, and reread the title which says "Bulk" Rather than Bulk Substrate.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210745 - 12/01/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: Nah, we posted about the same time, I decided to look it up, and reread the title which says "Bulk" Rather than Bulk Substrate.
So you are choosing to define bulk differently than what the rest of the shroomery defines it as.
Ok.
How do you define "bulk substrate?"
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Kizzle]
#19210747 - 12/01/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's drying your substrate not steaming it. Steaming is transferring heat to your substrate with steam not from.
Huh? Water is being evaporated through the sub. The water is heated an in turn heats the sub. The container is covered so the water recondenses on the aluminum foil and drops back into the tray to be evaporated through the sub again.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210763 - 12/01/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok, so here is what we've gathered here:
Coir can be sterilized or pasteurized or crappily pasteurized. And it will still perform fine as bulk substrate.
Coir is good sterile or not. Dry or wet. Any consistency really.
Before you advocate a crappy, disproven tek, perhaps you should study what it is you are talking about. If you can't define bulk substrate, then you clearly are not in the position to make broad, sweeping statements about such.
Coir will forgive you for the shittiest of procedures. For a test of your methods, use hpoo for bulk substrate.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210768 - 12/01/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said:
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teknix said: Nah, we posted about the same time, I decided to look it up, and reread the title which says "Bulk" Rather than Bulk Substrate.
So you are choosing to define bulk differently than what the rest of the shroomery defines it as.
Ok.
How do you define "bulk substrate?"
Bulk substrate is a large amount of nutritive substrate that is used for spawning mycelium to a large container, to colonize and fruit from the container.
The rest of the shroomery? I'm sure there are people here who understand what bulk means.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210780 - 12/01/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well since you are here to tell us what we should tell you, I'm going to opt out of your little power trip.
I leave you with the best wisdom you'll get from the rest of this thread.
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FrankHorrigan said:

Ok, so here is what we've gathered here:
Coir can be sterilized or pasteurized or crappily pasteurized. And it will still perform fine as bulk substrate.
Coir is good sterile or not. Dry or wet. Any consistency really.
Before you advocate a crappy, disproven tek, perhaps you should study what it is you are talking about. If you can't define bulk substrate, then you clearly are not in the position to make broad, sweeping statements about such.
Coir will forgive you for the shittiest of procedures. For a test of your methods, use hpoo for bulk substrate.

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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210783 - 12/01/13 12:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So what makes the coir a bulk sub? lol . . .
I don't think you need tell me anything, tbh.
You came in a jumped on the other guys fail boat. 
Good luck.
Edited by teknix (12/01/13 12:28 AM)
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210800 - 12/01/13 12:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The water's not heating anything. The oven has to heat the water and when the water evaporates it takes some of the heat with it. I guarantee it's not going to condense on the foil either while the oven is still on. That can only happen when the temperature under the foil is hotter than the temperature above it.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Kizzle]
#19210805 - 12/01/13 12:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Steaming water heats things.
I guarantee it works.
Irregardless of why you think it might not, you won't really know until you try it.
We can argue the semantics all day, but those don't keep it from working.
Edited by teknix (12/01/13 12:34 AM)
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210828 - 12/01/13 12:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because I already know what happens to grains, whole or ground, if they're not thoroughly sterilized and kept sterile until fully colonized.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Kizzle]
#19210834 - 12/01/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Evidently you don't.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210875 - 12/01/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: the other guys fail boat. 
Fail boat, yeah 

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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210887 - 12/01/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice pics.
Still doesn't aid your argument, more of a red herring.
Try the tek and post the results imo.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210898 - 12/01/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I said you can steam PF cakes no problem.
But yes, I was just trying to distract you from how right you are.
Oops!
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210900 - 12/01/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lol, or distract yourself from being wrong.
You went with what the guy said the title said, rather than what the title said.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210906 - 12/01/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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But oven pasteurization doesn't work for anything but coir.
And I said that you can steam PF cakes no problem. And use them as spawn.
What is your point?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210910 - 12/01/13 01:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You're gonna be here for a while frank....get comfy....this guy is a real winner....been dealing with him all day.
According to him cakes do not need to be sterilized, you can just boil them........
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210911 - 12/01/13 01:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You just said cakes can be steamed, and why do you think that is true for flour and not so much whole grains?
My point is obviously in the OP, what is yours?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19210913 - 12/01/13 01:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: But oven pasteurization doesn't work for anything but coir.
And I said that you can steam PF cakes no problem. And use them as spawn.
What is your point?
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Notahacker420 said: You're gonna be here for a while frank....get comfy....this guy is a real winner....been dealing with him all day.
According to him cakes do not need to be sterilized, you can just boil them........
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