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THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays.
#19210357 - 11/30/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Now, I know what your thinking. Oven tek's don't work, but I'm here to show you how they can and do work.
The things you will need are as follows:
Aluminum trays Aluminum Foil Flour Verm Coir Spawn
1. The first thing you do is mix up your cake mix, 50% verm and 50% flour works fine. The flour you can buy at a grocery store, and can choose between wheat or rye flour. You can mix it up in the tray. If you are going to fruit from the tray only fill it up about 1/3 of the way at field capacity. If you want to spawn a tub then fill it up about 2/3 of the way. Label the tray.
2. Next, get another tray for your casing layer, again 50% verm and 50% coir at field capacity is fine, and cover it with aluminum foil and cover it with aluminum foil twice and go around the outside 3-4 times to make sure it is completely sealed. Label the tray.
3. Turn the oven to 350 F, and put the trays in the oven. When the temperature in the oven reaches 350 you can turn it down to 250 and let it bake for an hour.
Now you have a couple of options, you can go for a monotub or make a tray. The tray has less risk of contams because you can do it in the glove box but you can also spawn a tub. I will explain how to do a tray first.
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4. Let the trays cool down to room temperature and put them in the glove box or under the flowhood.
5. Cover the cake mix with spawn, filling the tray to about 3/4.
6. Cover the spawn with an inch or two of casing and seal it back up with aluminum foil. Put the tray in a grocery sack and tie it shut.
7. Wait 2-3 weeks and fruit the tray.
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Now if you want to spawn a monotub you will need some cardboard and a tub:
4. While the cake mix and casing are cooking, boil some cardboard, enough to layer across the tub.
5. Once the cake mix is finished cooking and while it is still hot, dump it into the tub and cover all the exposed area with cardboard. (If you have a flowhood you can skip this part)
6. Let the cake-mix and casing cool to room temperature.
7. inoculate the tub with enough spawn to cover the cardboard that is covering the cakemix.
8. Cover the spawn with the casing. The depth will depend on the amount of spawn and size of the tub, but 1 - 2 inches should be fine.
9. Put the tub in a big pastic trash bag and let it incubate for 2-4 weeks. (depending on the spawn / cake-mix ratio)
10. Fruit it.
That's it!
Edited by teknix (12/01/13 04:44 PM)
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix] 1
#19210388 - 11/30/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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This should be labeled as an experiment, not a tek......
But hey....more power to ya......
BRF does not get made to field capacity, that is way too wet for BRF and verm.
Field capacity only applies to the preparation of bulk substrates, not cake mix.
Once you take it out of the oven it is no longer sterile, meaning you will have sucessfully just wasted your time.
Not only that, dry heat is a great way to ruin your moisture content....this is why we use steam.....
1-2 inches is too thick for a casing layer.
Just a warning to all who try this.....prepare for failure....success is possible...but then again so is winning the lottery.
The next 5-10 pages will explain, in full detail why.
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
Edited by PussyFart (12/01/13 04:55 AM)
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19210397 - 11/30/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also I'm probably just being picky but usually a good tek has photos illustrating the process from beginning to end
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19210450 - 11/30/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: This should be labeled as an experiment, not a tek......
But hey....more power to ya......
BRF does not get made to field capacity, that is way too wet for BRF and verm.
Field capacity only applies to the preparation of bulk substrates, not cake mix.
Once you take it out of the oven it is no longer sterile, meaning you will have sucessfully just wasted your time.
Not only that, dry heat is a great way to ruin your moisture content....this is why we use steam.....
1-2 inches is too thick for a casing layer.
Just a warning to all who try this.....prepare for failure....success is possible...but then again so is winning the lottery.
In this case it does. Why you so down on it when you haven't tried it?
What reason do you have to have an opinion on the matter with 0 experience with it? That is called a misleading appeal to authority.
The fact is you have no idea if it will work, and don't have any good reason why it wouldn't/doesn't.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19210459 - 11/30/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said:

Also I'm probably just being picky but usually a good tek has photos illustrating the process from beginning to end 
I don't feel pics are necessary, it's pretty simple.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210495 - 11/30/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was going to try this experiment for grins and giggles I still might but after my fractional sterilization experiment disaster I'm just sticking to stream and pressure cooking. I might try it but I'm going to do a tray covered foil so they can steam.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Enigma1]
#19210503 - 11/30/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, that's how you have to do it.
It works, and it is really easy.
Make sure the foil is on tight all around it, you probably should go around the edges 3 or 4 times to make sure, and double check the foil isn't ripped or have any holes in it.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210559 - 11/30/13 11:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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teknix said: The fact is you have no idea if it will work, and don't have any good reason why it wouldn't/doesn't.
I just listed a bunch of reasons why I think it will fail.....
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19210570 - 11/30/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Probably have a better success than ordering from spores101 :} jk love you guys for the help before
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19210592 - 11/30/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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teknix said: The fact is you have no idea if it will work, and don't have any good reason why it wouldn't/doesn't.
I just listed a bunch of reasons why I think it will fail.....
Not good reasons.

1st of all you are preparing bulk, second of all you aren't sterilizing anything, 3rd of all aluminum foil is covering the tray when it comes out of the oven and 4th of all you are steaming it in the oven.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210605 - 11/30/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The fact is you have no idea if it will work, and don't have any good reason why it wouldn't/doesn't.
He's given you several good reasons why it won't work. However it may appear to work since contaminants take time to show up, but most likely you'd have mold by the end of the first flush. Also setting the oven to 250F is not going to heat the substrate to 250F. One hour at 250F or even 350F is not long enough to oven sterilize anything.
Oh and let me reiterate, BRF (or any other flour) is not bulk substrate. It would be nice if BRF didn't need to be sterilized but it does. Any who has lost a BRF cake to contamination can tell you that.
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Edited by Kizzle (11/30/13 11:39 PM)
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Kizzle]
#19210656 - 11/30/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The water starts steaming at below 212 bro, and it will be steaming a good amount of time, anyways I'm not here to try to convince you it works, use it or don't.
I know it works, and that's pretty much all the assurance you are gonna get unless you try it.
You might want to define bulk and then define substrate and then decide if it qualifies.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210691 - 11/30/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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teknix said: You might want to define bulk and then define substrate and then decide if it qualifies.
Oh is that so?
I think you define bulk as "coir."
And guess what?
This only works for coir.
So instead of saying "No PC for bulk tubs/trays," you should say "no PC coir prep."
This shit would never pass with hpoo based substrates. Don't pretend it will.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210700 - 11/30/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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You're wrong. Steaming absolutely works with flour. Especially when it is stuck to verm that can get hotter than water.
I don't know if it would work with poo or not, but It is possible if you mix it with 50% verm.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210709 - 11/30/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Of course you can steam PF cakes. That's been known for a decade.
But I was referring to bulk substrate, which you referenced incorrectly.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Kizzle]
#19210712 - 11/30/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: Oh and let me reiterate, BRF (or any other flour) is not bulk substrate. It would be nice if BRF didn't need to be sterilized but it does. Any who has lost a BRF cake to contamination can tell you that.
This.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210714 - 11/30/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bulk sub to me is a large amount of nutritive substrate in a large container.
Is it a bulk amount and is it substrate?
How do you define it?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210723 - 11/30/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bulk substrate is a low-to-medium-nutrient, high-moisture medium for mycelial expansion beyond the grains alone.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210729 - 12/01/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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bulk bΙlk/Submit noun 1. the mass or magnitude of something large.
The title says bulk tubs/trays, nothing wrong with it.
And in fact, this has potential to be better classified as bulk than anything you could fit in a PC, considering how much larger ovens generally are.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210735 - 12/01/13 12:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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So you ask what I define bulk substrate as, I define it and explain what it is.
And then you define it for me?

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FrankHorrigan said: Bulk substrate is a low-to-medium-nutrient, high-moisture medium for mycelial expansion beyond the grains alone.
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