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FrankHorrigan
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210691 - 11/30/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: You might want to define bulk and then define substrate and then decide if it qualifies.
Oh is that so?
I think you define bulk as "coir."
And guess what?
This only works for coir.
So instead of saying "No PC for bulk tubs/trays," you should say "no PC coir prep."
This shit would never pass with hpoo based substrates. Don't pretend it will.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210709 - 11/30/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Of course you can steam PF cakes. That's been known for a decade.
But I was referring to bulk substrate, which you referenced incorrectly.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Kizzle]
#19210712 - 11/30/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kizzle said: Oh and let me reiterate, BRF (or any other flour) is not bulk substrate. It would be nice if BRF didn't need to be sterilized but it does. Any who has lost a BRF cake to contamination can tell you that.
This.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210723 - 11/30/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bulk substrate is a low-to-medium-nutrient, high-moisture medium for mycelial expansion beyond the grains alone.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210735 - 12/01/13 12:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So you ask what I define bulk substrate as, I define it and explain what it is.
And then you define it for me?

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FrankHorrigan said: Bulk substrate is a low-to-medium-nutrient, high-moisture medium for mycelial expansion beyond the grains alone.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210745 - 12/01/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: Nah, we posted about the same time, I decided to look it up, and reread the title which says "Bulk" Rather than Bulk Substrate.
So you are choosing to define bulk differently than what the rest of the shroomery defines it as.
Ok.
How do you define "bulk substrate?"
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210763 - 12/01/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok, so here is what we've gathered here:
Coir can be sterilized or pasteurized or crappily pasteurized. And it will still perform fine as bulk substrate.
Coir is good sterile or not. Dry or wet. Any consistency really.
Before you advocate a crappy, disproven tek, perhaps you should study what it is you are talking about. If you can't define bulk substrate, then you clearly are not in the position to make broad, sweeping statements about such.
Coir will forgive you for the shittiest of procedures. For a test of your methods, use hpoo for bulk substrate.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210780 - 12/01/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well since you are here to tell us what we should tell you, I'm going to opt out of your little power trip.
I leave you with the best wisdom you'll get from the rest of this thread.
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FrankHorrigan said:

Ok, so here is what we've gathered here:
Coir can be sterilized or pasteurized or crappily pasteurized. And it will still perform fine as bulk substrate.
Coir is good sterile or not. Dry or wet. Any consistency really.
Before you advocate a crappy, disproven tek, perhaps you should study what it is you are talking about. If you can't define bulk substrate, then you clearly are not in the position to make broad, sweeping statements about such.
Coir will forgive you for the shittiest of procedures. For a test of your methods, use hpoo for bulk substrate.

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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210875 - 12/01/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: the other guys fail boat. 
Fail boat, yeah 

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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210898 - 12/01/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I said you can steam PF cakes no problem.
But yes, I was just trying to distract you from how right you are.
Oops!
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210906 - 12/01/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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But oven pasteurization doesn't work for anything but coir.
And I said that you can steam PF cakes no problem. And use them as spawn.
What is your point?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19210918 - 12/01/13 01:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: You're gonna be here for a while frank....get comfy....this guy is a real winner....been dealing with him all day.
According to him cakes do not need to be sterilized, you can just boil them........
Boiling cakes (like RR's video describes) IS sterilizing them. But quart jars of grains don't conduct heat like PF cakes do and therefore need to be sterilized either at 15PSI for 90 minutes or boiled for 6-8 hours. And even that boil for the grains is risky.
This is why I'm wondering what the deal is. And why no one else's definition of "bulk" is what he defines "bulk" as.
The advice still stands:
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FrankHorrigan said: Coir can be sterilized or pasteurized or crappily pasteurized. And it will still perform fine as bulk substrate.
Coir is good sterile or not. Dry or wet. Any consistency really.
Before you advocate a crappy, disproven tek, perhaps you should study what it is you are talking about. If you can't define bulk substrate, then you clearly are not in the position to make broad, sweeping statements about such.
Coir will forgive you for the shittiest of procedures. For a test of your methods, use hpoo for bulk substrate.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19210930 - 12/01/13 01:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: Because he is a troll....obvious trolls are, well.....obvious....
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19209627#19209627
^ Case and point.....
Yep, I got that.
But I wanted to point out all the logical fallacies before letting it lie.
Sounds like a ghostinthemist style shitbird 
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210933 - 12/01/13 01:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said:
Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium.
Killing all microbial activity present in the medium.
If you have a microscope and clean-ish environment, you would see that boiling PF cakes sterilizes them.
The same cannot be said for grains.
A simple test of boiling a quart size grain jar and PF cake jar for the same amount of time would yield the same results...PF cake good, grains bad.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210943 - 12/01/13 01:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said:
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teknix said:
Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium.
Killing all microbial activity present in the medium.
If you have a microscope and clean-ish environment, you would see that boiling PF cakes sterilizes them.
The same cannot be said for grains.
A simple test of boiling a quart size grain jar and PF cake jar for the same amount of time would yield the same results...PF cake good, grains bad.
See? I defined it for you.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210945 - 12/01/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said:
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teknix said:
Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium.
Killing all microbial activity present in the medium.
If you have a microscope and clean-ish environment, you would see that boiling PF cakes sterilizes them.
The same cannot be said for grains.
A simple test of boiling a quart size grain jar and PF cake jar for the same amount of time would yield the same results...PF cake good, grains bad.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210951 - 12/01/13 01:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said:
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teknix said:
Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium.
Killing all microbial activity present in the medium.
If you have a microscope and clean-ish environment, you would see that boiling PF cakes sterilizes them.
The same cannot be said for grains.
A simple test of boiling a quart size grain jar and PF cake jar for the same amount of time would yield the same results...PF cake good, grains bad.

Go get some experience under your belt and get back to us.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210955 - 12/01/13 01:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yep, and done the tests.
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FrankHorrigan said:
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FrankHorrigan said:
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teknix said:
Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium.
Killing all microbial activity present in the medium.
If you have a microscope and clean-ish environment, you would see that boiling PF cakes sterilizes them.
The same cannot be said for grains.
A simple test of boiling a quart size grain jar and PF cake jar for the same amount of time would yield the same results...PF cake good, grains bad.

Go get some experience under your belt and get back to us.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210959 - 12/01/13 01:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: You even got a scope bro?
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FrankHorrigan said: Yep, and done the tests.
And you haven't.
Obviously
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19210966 - 12/01/13 01:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No need for popcorn, Hacker.
If dude has something to prove, it's on him to prove it.
So let's see those results, OP
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