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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix] * 1
    #19210388 - 11/30/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This should be labeled as an experiment, not a tek......

But hey....more power to ya......

BRF does not get made to field capacity, that is way too wet for BRF and verm.

Field capacity only applies to the preparation of bulk substrates, not cake mix.

Once you take it out of the oven it is no longer sterile, meaning you will have sucessfully just wasted your time.

Not only that, dry heat is a great way to ruin your moisture content....this is why we use steam.....

1-2 inches is too thick for a casing layer.

Just a warning to all who try this.....prepare for failure....success is possible...but then again so is winning the lottery.

The next 5-10 pages will explain, in full detail why.


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19210559 - 11/30/13 11:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The fact is you have no idea if it will work, and don't have any good reason why it wouldn't/doesn't.



I just listed a bunch of reasons why I think it will fail.....


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19210910 - 12/01/13 01:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You're gonna be here for a while frank....get comfy....this guy is a real winner....been dealing with him all day.

According to him cakes do not need to be sterilized, you can just boil them........


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19210915 - 12/01/13 01:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Steaming sterilizes them bro......If you steam them for the proper amount of time.....


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19210925 - 12/01/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Because he is a troll....obvious trolls are, well.....obvious....

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19209627#19209627

^ Case and point.....


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19210963 - 12/01/13 01:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19210984 - 12/01/13 01:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I can write a bogus tek in about 4 minutes......that does not mean it's a good tek, or that it ever happened.


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19210989 - 12/01/13 01:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

1. Shit in a jar.

2. inoculate said jar with spores.

3. wait 3-4 weeks and then birth, dunk and roll.


(EDIT: Took about 30 seconds)


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
    #19211003 - 12/01/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:nodofunderstanding:


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19211214 - 12/01/13 04:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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That's funny, because I could have swore you made a video about making cakes by boiling. (and that would not be sterilizing, but it still works, amirite?)



He didn't boil anything but the water in the pot....the cakes were steam sterilized for 90 minutes.....

He was referring to your "oven method" not sterilizing anything....which is bad, because the entire point of applying heat at this point is to sterilize the substrate in the jars/bags.

BRF needs to be sterile, and remain that way until fully colonized.

Your method does not achieve this.....steam sterilizing them for 90 minutes does.....dry heat bad.....steam good.


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19211221 - 12/01/13 04:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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How is the steam getting from outside the jar inside of it?



It's not....it allows for there to be no evaporation of the moisture inside the cake....which means the moisture content of the jars should remain the same.

Foil or not, in an oven moisture IS going to escape from the substrate.....this is bad....not good.

Also, heat from steam will penetrate to the center of the jars quicker than dry heat from an oven.

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The steam is coming from water within the jar, same concept as it comming from within the tray.



This makes no sense....why would you want this to happen....the steam comes from the water in the bottom of the pot....there is no steam in an oven.


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19211229 - 12/01/13 04:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No...I never said that....I said the heat does...stop twisting everyones words around.


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19211306 - 12/01/13 06:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What do you want to see me grow? You guys realize I live in the USA and could go to prison if I posted an illegal grow right?



Nice excuse.....


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19211320 - 12/01/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I doubt anyone will try it if they read past the first post.....


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19213630 - 12/01/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If it was being sterilized and had 2 barriers there is no reason not to incubate at optimal temperatures.



Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.

Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.

The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 86F , and contams thrive.


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19213713 - 12/01/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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How do you know what the optimal temperature is?



How do you?

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Temperature doesn't cause contams.



I never said it did.

There you go again twisting my words around.


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19213730 - 12/01/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I know what it is from observing it.



Ditto.....and 85F is not optimal.


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19213756 - 12/01/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So what did you observe? A multispore inoculation of a cake?



Yes....and isolates on grains....and agar.....and bulk.....


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19213881 - 12/01/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Oh yeah, who am I?



You're a wannabe mycologist that calls himself a biologist......


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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
    #19213986 - 12/01/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So what are you?



I am a mushroom cultivator...and a PC repair technician....and a connoisseur of all things that go bang.


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