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Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR
#19210338 - 11/30/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I got 50 HBWR, authentic I'm 95% sure, and they make me really nauseous, last time I chewed and swallowed 9 seeds I thew up violently multiple times until I dry heaved about 5 times on the come up and then towards the end of the trip I started throwing up violently again over and over for a couple hours. I couldnt hold down any food or water and I was very dehydrated. I was very scared for my health and safety.
Seeds that contain LSA also contain ergometrine, d-lysergic acid beta propanolamide, lysergic acid, and hydroxyethylamide but LSA is the is the most abundent akaloid and produces most if not all of the effects. The average weight of a HBWR seed is 97mg. I found this out by finding the average weight of 10 seeds and knowing the average weight of LSA that takes up the total weight of HBWR was 13% Threfore the amount of LSA u take when u take an active dose of HBWR (5-8 seeds) is 63mg-101mg.
Is it possible to just extract LSA, LSBP, and LSH in near pure form or better and wash away all the other ergoline alkaloids which produce the nasty side effects such as nausea and vasoconstriction? If there's a tek for this can someone show it to me or point me in the right direction? I think this would be very hard to do since extracting one pure egroline akaloid from the group of erogline alkaloids is hard enough, extracting 3 from a group of about 10 or more would most likely require A LOT of pH adjusting and possibly a reflux condenser set up.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: PurpleHaze147]
#19231278 - 12/05/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I also have some questions! But yes it is possible to extract the LSA. You will have to do extra work to get it into it pure form. But I just want to get some people opinions too. My cat has 9000 morning glory seeds and 50 hbwr on the way. He is wanting to do an extraction on 4500-5000 morning glorys. This will b his first one. I've did research and I just want to make sure he yields as much lsa as possible. I see people post their teks but not results /:
This the basic tek I'm going to follow:
-Everclear or 99.9% isopropyl alcohol -coffee grinder -sealable, glass jars -funnel and filter paper -morning glory seeds (of course) -paper plates -large tray with smooth edges
1) grind morning glory seeds (not too fine, not too coarse) 2) mix morning glory seeds with toluene in a glass jar. close glass jar. shake jar occasionally over the next 3 days 3) filter out the crushed morning glory seeds 4) put seeds evenly on paper plates and let them dry out over 24 hours 5) add crushed seed powder to a jar with 99.9% isopropyl alcohol (if you do not plan on drinking it) or ethanol (if you want choice) 6) stir occasionally, keep in jar for 2 days 7) filter out all the seeds 8) if your solution is an ethanol mixture, you may drink it. if you do not want to drink it continue below
9) pour your alcohol mixture in a tray 10) leave tray in a dark room and allow all alcohol to evaporate 11) scrape off all of the morning glory LSA honey
Would you use ethanol or IPA to pull the lsa? I plan to evap all of the solution when finished And can you let it soak too long or do to many pulls? Also the naptha wash, can he skip that step? And what about purify the finished product?
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19231399 - 12/05/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I do A LOT of LSA extracts and in many different ways. IME just skip the de-fatting step. Dont do a naptha wash. Its a waste of time. My reasoning however flawed it my be is this; the good alkaloids are alcohol soluble, the bad ones are not, so why remove the bad ones if they rent soluble in the solvent your using to extrct the good ones?
Heres a simple recipe I have used many many times.
1. Grind seeds to a chunky powder. 2. Place in mason jar and cover with high proof ethanol, I used 94% ethanol, use everclear if you can. Do not use anything below 94% and if you cant get it then use 99% isopropyl. 70% sucks. 3. Leave to sit and steap in a cool dark place for 24 hours. 4. After 24 hours remove your ethanol and replace with an equall amount of fresh ethanol, let sit for 12 hours. 5. Once more remove your ethanol and replace with fresh ethanol. Let sit 12 hours in cool dark place. 6. Now you should have a jar with all 3 ethanol pulls. 7. Add just enough cold distilled water to the jar with the seed mush to cover it all and put this in the fridge for 24 hours. 8. Recover water from seed mush and feel free to discard the seed mush now. 9. Youll be left with a jar containg 3 ethanol pulls, and a jar with the 1 water pull.
Go ahead and setup a funnel and to it add enough ativated charcoal to fill it right to the top, fancy a way to prevent the charcoal from falling out the bottom. Using cold distilled water make sure the charcoal is plenty wet, just run a bunch of water over it.
Take your ethanol extracts and slowly pour them through this charcoal filled funnel at least 3 times, collect the now very clean alcohol and evaporate it as quick as possible in the dark using no heat.
Now pour your water extract through the same charcoal without rinsing it. Do this at least 3-5 times and collect the now essentially clear water. Evaporate this quickly in a dark room using no heat.
Scrape together both resulting extracts when both have finished evaporating. Mix them as good as possible and dissolve in a small amount of drinking alcohol, I used 94% ethanol, you could use vodka. Measure your alcohol so that 1ml = 1 dose, or whatever strength your looking for. I dissolve my gunk into an amount of ethanol so that 1ml = 10HBWR seeds.
Always use 20% more seeds to start with when doing an extraction, LSA's are so fragile you will loose quite a bit. They are sensitive to air, light, and heat. Optimally youd like to be doing this in an inert environment with zero lights and a low temp. 10 seeds extracted feels like 5-6 chewed. The advantage is no negative effects.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
#19231442 - 12/05/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That about the naptha made sense to me too, same reasoning I came too! Lol And thanks! Question bout the activated charcoal, what is it? Does it help clean the solution?
Also I want a solid product, could I still follow your tek and just evap the the finished product all the way down?
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19231629 - 12/05/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Activated charcol is used in aquarium filters among other things to clean stuff out of water. Its little chunks of coal, literally. It binds to itself all the tannins and junk in the water. If you were to run a red tea through activated charcoal enough times it would eventually come out virtually clear. Charcoal just cleans water on like, a molecular level man.
You can certainly evap the final product into a solid. If you use ethanol it will be more of a powder vs isopropyl which will be more of a resin. Either way you want to store them in gel caps to seal them from air and in complete darkness. I dissolve in ethanol because its much much easier for dosing and lasts a lot longer on the shelf.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
#19231951 - 12/05/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ahh, okay. You helped me out a lot. Can't wait til my seeds get here
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19235698 - 12/06/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea I was thinking of actually purifying the LSA not just make an extract, like I mean end up with a near pure white powder, I bet I can do that if I had the right ingredients
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: PurpleHaze147]
#19235773 - 12/06/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You can't seperate the LAA from the other ergoline alkaloids (clavines and lysergamides). I'm, not even sure if a professional equipped with a lab could do it; they might have to use synthetic LAA if they wanted to work with the substance in isolation. Klinke et al. is an example of researchers who synthesized LAA.
Klinke HB, Müller IB, Steffenrud S and Dahl-Sørensen R. Two cases of lysergamide intoxication by ingestion of seeds from Hawaiin Baby Woodrose. Forensic Sci Int, 2010, 197 (1-3), e1-5
See "Materials and Method" section on page e2.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: s240779]
#19238693 - 12/06/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I just started a test extract earlier today.. 30 mornings and 5 hbwr.... Crushed and straight into 70% IPA (all I had on hand) 5 hours soaking... Strained the mush.. Saved the IPA... Did another wash with the mush.. Letting it soak over night.
May do one more pull then let it evap.
I may be lucky to have one small dose. Like I said this is just a test extract.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19240222 - 12/07/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just got up. Bout to strain the 2nd pull and let it evap. Maybe do a water pull in the seed mush
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19240283 - 12/07/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good luck!
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
#19242847 - 12/07/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I need some help guys! How sensitive is lsa to light? How much is to much?
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19244601 - 12/08/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Has anyone ever ordered seeds from psychedseeds.com? Were they any good
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19245085 - 12/08/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have done quick extractions in fully lit rooms and kept my extract in average light for over a week before dosing, It was certainly still active but at reduced potency for what I was expecting. I do all my extracts in a room using blue/black light now and store everything in a dark fridge, you should do the same.
Dont bother going through companis for seeds, just go to ebay and buy the best deal, I have never gone through trusted supplier and have always just ordered the cheepest seeds I could find on ebay. I have NEVER been let down by ebay seeds, I hve NEVER bought bunk seeds from ebay, just make sure your getting hawaiian strain seeds and your good, ebay is the shit, these seeds are tremendously over priced every where else.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
#19245136 - 12/08/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psyched seeds sells his on eBay for cheap too. Hawaiian strain. 50 for about 5 dollars. And I've been working on my extract in normal light and storing and evap in a closest.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19245202 - 12/08/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Can your store extracted lsa gunk in a plastic container? Or will the lsa soak into the plastic?
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19245210 - 12/08/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yup those seeds look legit. Great deals too! Go for it! I might grab 1000+ from this guy actually.. Go get yourself some blue cfl lights, I dunno if its any less destructive to LSA but I do all my work under blue cfl lights and black lights. It cost me $5 per bulb and I just switch out my normal lights when I do extracts.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
#19245305 - 12/08/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lsa reacts to black light when doing extract too, right? I have a black light laying around. Ill have to start using it.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19245512 - 12/08/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes I believe black light is also bad but its far enough away and never directly on my extract, thats why I use predominently blue lights, it seems softer and darker than normal white, and a good extract of LSA will glow brightly under black light fyi
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
#19252120 - 12/09/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So my test extract is almost finished evaping. It was only 70% IPA so the water left over took some extra time to evap. Using 91% on my next. But the gunk is brown. Is this normal?
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19252126 - 12/09/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edited by Trrrex92 (12/09/13 07:53 PM)
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19252429 - 12/09/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yup. whats your total yield? what you start with?
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
#19252435 - 12/09/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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30 morning glorys and 5 hbwr
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19252444 - 12/09/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The end that small corner size of nickle
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19252659 - 12/09/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm going to test it out tomorrow Should I just eat it or let it sit under my tongue?
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19252837 - 12/09/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here is a better pic
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19254334 - 12/10/13 08:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would let it sit under your tongue for 10-15 minutes then swallow it. I have never tested it fully sublingual, I always swallow it after. I do usually let it sit in my mouth for a bit though.
Your extract looks darker than what I usually yield, is it powdery or gooey?
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
#19254399 - 12/10/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kinda in between. Alil of fine seed matter got through when I was separating the seed mush. I'm letting it sit in my mouth as we speak. Been almost 15 minutes.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19254406 - 12/10/13 08:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The taste kinda remind of the inside of a ballon... Lmao
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19254411 - 12/10/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Would the fact I only did the IPA washes, no naptha or any other washes, make the final product darker?
I just assumed it was from the seed material that got through
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19254489 - 12/10/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hmm. I feeling alil bit. Mostly just a stoned feeling mixed with body lightness
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19254511 - 12/10/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Change in sense are setting in. Vision is different, tastes are different.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19254543 - 12/10/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont want to say its because you skipped the naptha step that its darker, IMO its because you used %70 iso. That is %30 water which is what pulls out the dark and cramp causing bs in the seeds. If you were to do a bunch o pulls with %99 iso it would be drastically clearer as the only the good shit was dissolved and since theres only %1 water you will absorb %29 less of the dyes and garbage alks.
I recomend cleaning your extract by running all your alcohol pulls through a funnel filled with activated charcoal. Before you evap of course lol. I have made simple CWE extractins and they always turn out very brown coloured because the seeds have brown tannins and gunk that water loves to pull out along with the LSA's. If I take this dark brown liquid and run it over activated charcoal 3-4 times it comes out nearly clear like. No potency is lost as I have tested strenght of charcoal filtered to non filtered extracts. Just yet another reason I skip the naptha wash, simply taking 2 minutes to slowly pour your extract over charcoal works just as good if not better.
If your interested ill post a new LSA tek Ive been working on which yields very clean, very potent liquid hits. You could dry to a crystal product but liquid is the best method of storage.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
#19254589 - 12/10/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm definitely interested! I'm always looking at different teks and trying to find better ones. It's fun to learn! Lol
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19254667 - 12/10/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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LSA is one of my favourite extractions too, so I have a few different methods! Crystals provide the best and cleanest trip but dont store well at all and are hard and timely to get. Ill post my new recipe when I review the results!! Hope your having fun on your extract!
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
#19254679 - 12/10/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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This dose has been a tease so far I decided to just eat some crushed seeds in some pudding. I want alil bit more haha. But diffintly has me in an up mood and happy. Good body buzz. Senses changed.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
#19254704 - 12/10/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Zombi3, I've read a few reports on high quality extracts where they report that the side effects are greatly reduced and that it's a very good substance, but it's still a stage below other psychedelic drugs. What's your opinion on this?
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: s240779]
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Trrrex92 said: This dose has been a tease so far I decided to just eat some crushed seeds in some pudding. I want alil bit more haha. But diffintly has me in an up mood and happy. Good body buzz. Senses changed.
Always take your usual dose + %30 when doing extractions, you WILL lose some due to incomplete extraction or degredation from air, light, or heat. So if you usually dose 6 seeds, extract 8. If you usually dose 9 seeds, extract 12.
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Da2ra said: Zombi3, I've read a few reports on high quality extracts where they report that the side effects are greatly reduced and that it's a very good substance, but it's still a stage below other psychedelic drugs. What's your opinion on this?
If you manage to obtain a very clean extract the negative side effects can be zero. I barely get any nausea from LSA as is but noticed DRASTICALLY reduced stomach upset when using extract. The ONLY thing still get from the extracts is vasoconstriction, this is something hard to avoid with LSA but can remedied with use of a vasodilator.
LSA has become one of my all time favourite substances over the past year, If used corrctly and some time is put into prepairing it then it can produce very profound experiences. I have gotten extremely unique visuals with LSA compared to other psychs and have felt such strong euphoria I could have sworn I had eaten some Molly. One of the best things is how long it can last, a moderate dose of 8+ seeds can leave a glorious body buzz that lasts 24 hours.
LSA's are HIGHLY under rated.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
#19255154 - 12/10/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the advice. I remember reading that some where. Trip is going great so far. Things in my visions seem like they are shifting around. Things seems lien they keep changing colora
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19255514 - 12/10/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Amazing trip so far! First time with lsa is a success! Veery mellow and enjoyable! No side effects from eating seeds! 7 hours in. I peaked but the trip is still strong!
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19255818 - 12/10/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I love LSA!!! I have found redosing works well with this substance, I redosed 8 seeds the day after mixing 6 seeds with mushrooms and didnt notice any tolerance. Based off what you ate I would expect you to be quite high for the next few hours and have a nice body buzz that lasts into tomorrow morning! Pretty jealous I must say, maybe I should go guzzle me down some LSA !!
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
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I would redose but my moms home -_- don't wanna make it to obvious I'm tripping. I'm still feel good thou! Do u have any problems sleeping after tripping from lsa?
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Ask her to try some.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: s240779]
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Haha. That would be awesome! Lol
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
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Didn't have problem with leg pains or anything the entire time.... Until now(8 hours in) my limbs feel sore /: exspecially my joints
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19256986 - 12/10/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Been awhile since I've tripped. I've forgotten how mentally exhausting it can be. Lol
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
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I have a question about lsa storage. If i did the extract in ethanol, (everclear) how long would it stay good? Which would be better the freezer or fridge? Also if I could store it in one of the two, how long would it stay good at room temperature?
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
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Is this enough ethanol for 4200 seeds?
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
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Looks like plenty. How many pulls are you doing? I just finished doing my third pull on 110g of morning glorys using distilled water. I find its beneficial to do a naptha wash or two with morning glorys, its absolutely not necessary with HBWR but for shits this time I did a naptha wash on my CWE from the 110g and I pulled out a 250ml mason jar full of fats and oils! Really glad I did this! The only reason I did a naptha wash this time (because I never do it) is because I am not %100 what species my morning glory is, it was labeled tricolor when I bought them but came labeled as purpurea, so I have no clue what they sent me... Heres to hoping for active alkaloids... Got another HBWR project under way also! Few days untill a trip report and recipe!!
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
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This is my first pull. Almost 24 hours in now. My morning glorys are suppose to be untreated heavenly blues. I ate some during my other trip with no bad side effects. So hopefully it's not two bad without the naptha wash. By I have 250 hbwr on the way. I still have 45 on me now. Probably gonna do the ethanol pull with 130 of them when I get the rest.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
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When your done doing your pulls (I recomend 3) mix it all together and let it sit in the fridge over night. Filter off any gunk thats on the bottom, then mix the ethanol with 1/3 the amount of naptha, shake vigorously for 5 minutes, seperate any which way you like and disacard of or reclaim the naptha. Repeat that 1-2 more times and you will have a pretty dam clean but dark coloured liquid reduced in volume.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
#19266869 - 12/12/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I may do that. Idk if I wanna splurge and buy some lol. After I do my pulls would I be able to evap the ethanol to 50 ml for easy dosing? It wouldn't get to sludgy would it?
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19267130 - 12/12/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here my first pull.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
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If you run it through a fine filter it wont sludgy, remember to evaporat it in the dark with zero heat.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
#19267201 - 12/12/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That was threw a coffee filter.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19267237 - 12/12/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looks good for a coffee filter. I use double coffee filter + activated charcoal.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
#19267656 - 12/12/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I need to get some activated charcoal. I might for my extract of the hbwr. I plan on finishing this extraction tomorrow. Might only do two pulls
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
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Im doing the same tek as Trrrex92 since 70% is all i have. I used a little over 700 mg seeds that I picked myself. I soaked the seed mush in the IPA for about 14 hours in a sealed glass jar in cold temps, i then ran the wash multiple times threw metal filter screen used in a keirrig coffee maker and put fresh IPA in the seed mush jar for my second wash.
After running the first wash 3 times threw the screen i decided to evaporate it instead of adding washes together.6 hours later my first wash was evaporated on a plate leaving a somewhat dark gold brown substance which i scraped and sealed in a glass vial,, it looks similar to brown sugar.
I then added my second wash to the plate to evaporate, and i added fresh IPA to the seed mush for a 3rd wash.
Currently 2 hours into evaporation of my second wash with 70% IPS.
My extract looks exactly like the picture i found on erowid below.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: 2bakednate]
#19268170 - 12/12/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's about how mine turned out when I used 70% IPA too. Just a tad darker. Gave me an amazing trip, but also after 2 and half hours after eating it I decided to eat about about another 80-100 morning glorys I had ground up already. Wanted to kick the trip into a higher gear. Plus I only did the extract on 30 morning glorys and 5 hbwr.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19269405 - 12/13/13 05:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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CWE extract 110g morning glory:
 Crystal wax obtained from 3 washes of 94% ethanol on 65 HBWR seeds:
    Yield was 225mg.
Currently cleaning this waxy crystal, going for pure crystal!
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
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Awesome crystal wax! How did u get it crystal?
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19270117 - 12/13/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just got some activated charcoal. Filtering my last pull now and then running all 3 pulls through the activated charcoal
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19270467 - 12/13/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bout to evap 250 ml to 50ml of my ethanol pull
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19270666 - 12/13/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats odd, my stuff never gets foggier after a carbon scrub...
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
#19270717 - 12/13/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It ended up clearing up.
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#19270927 - 12/13/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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PurpleHaze147 said: I got 50 HBWR, authentic I'm 95% sure, and they make me really nauseous, last time I chewed and swallowed 9 seeds I thew up violently multiple times until I dry heaved about 5 times on the come up and then towards the end of the trip I started throwing up violently again over and over for a couple hours. I couldnt hold down any food or water and I was very dehydrated. I was very scared for my health and safety.
lol yea.. same. years ago I extracted the LSA from HBWR. Same nausea same violently throwing up. haven't touched it since.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: avarrin]
#19271592 - 12/13/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I've had the lid off my jar of ethanol lsa to evap and it hasn't moved in 6 hours /: Shoul I put it in a other container?
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19271615 - 12/13/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, it has to be a large surface area. Should be glass, as that's easiest to scrape. A glass baking dish multiple glass baking dishes/ Spread it out as much as possible, you know?
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: s240779]
#19271625 - 12/13/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah. That's what I thought. I'm not evaporating all the way down though. Just down to 50 ml to store and then liquid dose later.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19271630 - 12/13/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes! I use a 12' glass pie plate! The more surface area the faster that will evap! Put a fan on it and keep it in the DARK!! Mine is turning out just awesome!! I did my morning glory with dH2O and a naptha wash though!
Starting a go at some Rivea corymbosa seeds tonight!! My HBWR ethanol/peppermint extract worked out well! Soo clean! Havent tried it yet!!
Im thinking Ill dose tomorrow when my batch that Im using a new recipe on is done!!
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#19272353 - 12/13/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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New recipe in signature!
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
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I can't view it it says I have to be a member for another 6 days.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19273441 - 12/14/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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so how nauseating is it if you just alcohol extract lsa? i may try using some 91?% iso and 12g of morning glory seeds evap and gel capped soon
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: stuckinwonderland]
#19274391 - 12/14/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I didn't have any nausea when I did it.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19274411 - 12/14/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here is my finished product of the ethanol tek of 4200 morning glorys!
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19274969 - 12/14/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is it normal for it to get darker after sitting? My finally ethanol mixture has gotten darker over night.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19275996 - 12/14/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So u guys have heard of vodka gummy bears. Would that be possible with lsa ethanol?
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19278601 - 12/15/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Try it out!
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
#19279959 - 12/15/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Heres the final yield from a CWE of 110g morning glory. Evaporated to this crystally substance. Going to clean it with naptha soon. Final yield was 4.285g. It filled 3/4 of a 10ml vial. I will wash it then store in 190 proof ethanol!
Went from seeds CWE to this:
 Then Evaporate to this:
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
#19280773 - 12/15/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That is from a cold water extraction!?
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Yes sir! Sticky brown crystls! Smell kinda like mollasses  Im cleaning them in naptha overnight and will seperate tomorrow
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
#19281002 - 12/15/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ground up seeds in cold water. Did u let sit in the fridge? And for how long? And how many pulls? My IPA pulls have always end up gooey not waxy.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19292981 - 12/18/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not pleased with my extraction of 4200 morning glories so far. Evap down to 50 ml in ethanol. Dosed 8 ml almost 3 hours ago. Barely any effects. Very little body buzz. Eyes are barely even dilated.
When you guys evap your extractions down to "pure" lsa. How do you dose it? I know by weight but what is a normal dose, what is a strong dose?
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
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Are morning glory seeds(heavenly blue) black?
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
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yes.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: LittleDipster]
#19293066 - 12/18/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not at all. I only did the IPA extract on 5 hbwr and 30 morning glorys. I had a great trip with very little varslarconstriction. This was just with morning glorys and I'm think I got bad seeds or something.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19293128 - 12/18/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah, morning glories can be a hit or miss I've found. I've tripped hard from like 400 seeds and also barely tripped from that dose.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: LittleDipster]
#19293451 - 12/18/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah. I think I'm just going to stick with hbwr from now on.
Does anyone know the weight of a good does after extraction and evaporating?
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19293827 - 12/18/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I ordered 250 hbwr seeds and they got here yesterday. Went to check the mail and I had another 250 hbwr seeds in there! Woo! They shipped my order twice! Lol
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
#19294406 - 12/18/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So the 50 ml of the 4200 morning glory seed extraction is almost done evaporating and basically nothing is left in the bottom -_- WTH! That was a bust.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
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i just finished my lsa extraction i used 90% iso on 50 hbws. i let it sit for 3 days with occasional shaking and filtered all the seed mush out then ran it through the activated charcoal 4 times and it left me with almost clear liquid that finished evaporating.
now i have 56 mg of a ligth brown gunk thats kind of gooey but hard at the same time
i have not had too much success with finding dosages online for lsa on its own only seeds but i was thinking of taking 5 to 10 mg to try out
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: allseeingike]
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allseeingike said: i just finished my lsa extraction i used 90% iso on 50 hbws. i let it sit for 3 days with occasional shaking and filtered all the seed mush out then ran it through the activated charcoal 4 times and it left me with almost clear liquid that finished evaporating.
now i have 56 mg of a ligth brown gunk thats kind of gooey but hard at the same time
i have not had too much success with finding dosages online for lsa on its own only seeds but i was thinking of taking 5 to 10 mg to try out
I think I'v read pure LSA has dosages somewhere between 1-3mg. I'd start low if I were you. Let us know how this turns out because I still haven't done anything with my seeds.
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allseeingike said: i just finished my lsa extraction i used 90% iso on 50 hbws. i let it sit for 3 days with occasional shaking and filtered all the seed mush out then ran it through the activated charcoal 4 times and it left me with almost clear liquid that finished evaporating.
now i have 56 mg of a ligth brown gunk thats kind of gooey but hard at the same time
i have not had too much success with finding dosages online for lsa on its own only seeds but i was thinking of taking 5 to 10 mg to try out
I think I'v read pure LSA has dosages somewhere between 1-3mg. I'd start low if I were you. Let us know how this turns out because I still haven't done anything with my seeds.
HBWR seeds have roughly .25% LSA per seed. Meaning it takes 4 seeds to get aprox 1mg. This makes sense since 4 seeds (1mg) is a light trip, 8 seeds (2mg) is a an average-strong trip, and 12 seeds (3mg) is a heavy trip for sure.
I have been dong LSA extracts for some time and average about 80-90% yield of alkaloids. I have found it completely necessary to raise your seed amount by %30 when extracting. This means if you want to trip on 9 seeds in extract form, you need to actually extract 12 seeds to account for loss.
Having that been said... Your 50 HBWR seeds should have 12.5mg of LSA total if you were able to extract at %100 efficiency. But since i can tell you that a 3 day IPA soak will NOT extract %100, closer to %75, I would expect you dont have any more than 9.375mg of extracted LSA (or 75% of alkaloids).
So you have roughly 9 x 1mg LSA doses in that pile of 56mg brown gunk. So this means you need to eat 6.2mg of your extract in order to be consuming a threshold dose of 1mg LSA. Therefore I estimate that you should take 6.2mg in order to achieve a threshold trip, and eat 12.4mg in order to achieve a medium dose trip, 18.6mg to achieve a strong trip, and anything over 20mg should blow your tits off.
Now out of 56mg total you should have the estimated 9mg of LSA, which makes your extract roughly 16% pure only.. As 9x56/100=%16. Considering that IPA may not evaporate totally clean you might start considering what the other %84 of garbage is in your extract.. Its likely to be a lot of tannins and junk from the seeds as IPA is not very selective and pulls out much more than just the LSA's, obviously.
Lastly, you obtaining even a %75 yield of total available alkaloids relies on your extraction having been done in optimal conditions of very very low light, zero exposure to any heat, and as little as possible exposure to air. Your extract ws quite exposed to air when you evaporated it, I dont know how warm your place is, and I dont know how much light was present during the extraction process. So best case scenario your conditions were optimal and you got %75 yield which means the above stated 9.375mg of LSA, or a 16% pure extract, but if your conditions were any less than optimal, expect your yield of active alkaloids in the total 56mg to be lower than my estimations.
Good luck though! Extracting HBWR/MG is so much fun, you CAN get very strong, very pure yields with practice. Best of luck!!
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
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Zombi3 said: Lastly, you obtaining even a %75 yield of total available alkaloids relies on your extraction having been done in optimal conditions of very very low light, zero exposure to any heat, and as little as possible exposure to air. Your extract ws quite exposed to air when you evaporated it, I dont know how warm your place is, and I dont know how much light was present during the extraction process.
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Zombi3 said: I dont know how warm your place is,
Only relatively high levels of heat affect it. Warmness certainly doesn't.
Lysergamides can be exposed to reasonably high levels of heat.
Here are some indications that exposing LAA to heat is fine:
Chop it up as fine as possible: a blender comes in handy. You may wish to chop then dry. A word of caution : try to avoid exposing your stuff to excessive heat. I dry in low heat oven. Heat and air destroy good compounds from upwards of 100 degs C. All this bit will depend on exactly what you are extracting.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_extraction1.shtml
It seems like the ergoline alkoloids present in morning glories, Rivea Corymbosa, and Argyreia Nervosa seem to be resistant to heat.
Visual Distortion https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6441 Correction: R. corymbosa and A. Nervosa are both a type of morning glory; and there are more than three LAA-containing types. See pages 225-227 & 231-238 in the following document: Eckhart Eich. 2008. Solanaceae and Convolvulaceae: Secondary Metabolites: Biosynthesis, Chemotaxonomy, Biological and Economics Significance (a Handbook).
I prepared tea by crushing and boiling the seeds.
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And I don't think air has any effect on it in the short term. I also don't think one can regulate the amount of air it is exposed to during evaporation.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
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allseeingike said: i just finished my lsa extraction i used 90% iso on 50 hbws. i let it sit for 3 days with occasional shaking and filtered all the seed mush out then ran it through the activated charcoal 4 times and it left me with almost clear liquid that finished evaporating.
now i have 56 mg of a ligth brown gunk thats kind of gooey but hard at the same time
i have not had too much success with finding dosages online for lsa on its own only seeds but i was thinking of taking 5 to 10 mg to try out
I think I'v read pure LSA has dosages somewhere between 1-3mg. I'd start low if I were you. Let us know how this turns out because I still haven't done anything with my seeds.
HBWR seeds have roughly .25% LSA per seed. Meaning it takes 4 seeds to get aprox 1mg. This makes sense since 4 seeds (1mg) is a light trip, 8 seeds (2mg) is a an average-strong trip, and 12 seeds (3mg) is a heavy trip for sure.
I have been dong LSA extracts for some time and average about 80-90% yield of alkaloids. I have found it completely necessary to raise your seed amount by %30 when extracting. This means if you want to trip on 9 seeds in extract form, you need to actually extract 12 seeds to account for loss.
Having that been said... Your 50 HBWR seeds should have 12.5mg of LSA total if you were able to extract at %100 efficiency. But since i can tell you that a 3 day IPA soak will NOT extract %100, closer to %75, I would expect you dont have any more than 9.375mg of extracted LSA (or 75% of alkaloids).
So you have roughly 9 x 1mg LSA doses in that pile of 56mg brown gunk. So this means you need to eat 6.2mg of your extract in order to be consuming a threshold dose of 1mg LSA. Therefore I estimate that you should take 6.2mg in order to achieve a threshold trip, and eat 12.4mg in order to achieve a medium dose trip, 18.6mg to achieve a strong trip, and anything over 20mg should blow your tits off.
Now out of 56mg total you should have the estimated 9mg of LSA, which makes your extract roughly 16% pure only.. As 9x56/100=%16. Considering that IPA may not evaporate totally clean you might start considering what the other %84 of garbage is in your extract.. Its likely to be a lot of tannins and junk from the seeds as IPA is not very selective and pulls out much more than just the LSA's, obviously.
Lastly, you obtaining even a %75 yield of total available alkaloids relies on your extraction having been done in optimal conditions of very very low light, zero exposure to any heat, and as little as possible exposure to air. Your extract ws quite exposed to air when you evaporated it, I dont know how warm your place is, and I dont know how much light was present during the extraction process. So best case scenario your conditions were optimal and you got %75 yield which means the above stated 9.375mg of LSA, or a 16% pure extract, but if your conditions were any less than optimal, expect your yield of active alkaloids in the total 56mg to be lower than my estimations.
Good luck though! Extracting HBWR/MG is so much fun, you CAN get very strong, very pure yields with practice. Best of luck!!
ok thanks for the info my house is pretty cold all the time and i did it in a dark room with only a red ligth from my phone. the only time it was exposed to air was during evap but nothing else. i gave my buddy 9 mg of the gunk last nigth and im waiting to hear back from him but i will probably try 20 to blow my tits off as you so eloquently put it.
this was mainly a test extraction because the seeds are pretty old ( got them in 2011 and have been exposed to miami heat ( as full seeds ) so i dont expect it to be too strong but i plan on getting more seeds in this week to try again with a fresh batch
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: allseeingike]
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Wow sounds like you did everything you could to prevent alk loss! Congrats! Im a little concerned about 3 year old seeds sitting in miami heat but hey you never know right!? Are you able to get everclear? It is much better for these sorts of extracts. Interested to hear how strong your extract is! I have a HBWR extract going that Im stoked for, also I have Turbina corymbosa seeds I cant wait to do something with!!!
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
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Just ordered myself an ounce of HBWR off ebay and have been thinking of which way to do the extract since it will be my first time ever to do something like this. Couple questions, anyone know how pure the LSA would be from the anarchist's cookbook?? I'm thinking of getting some Everclear from the liquor store and I'm not really sure if the naphtha from a home depot would work or not? And by washing you simply mean putting the seeds in a filter over a jar and running the naphtha over the seeds?? Any help would be appreciated since I have no idea what I'm doing. Of course I'm going to be the guinea pig before I let anyone else try these out. And if I got the crystal or had it stay in liquid form (if possible) could I dose these up on #10 or #14 White construction paper for easier storage and handling? I plan on getting a couple little vials at the local hobby store if I get the actual crystal from my first extraction. Thanks in advance!!
On a side not I've had a really good time on LSA, my buddy got some that his friend extracted from HBWR and I had some of the best CEVs ever, considering I've done l, mush, and dmt countless time LSA does not compare but is still fun if real L isn't readily available. Just trying to get ready for the summer months early!!
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: homegrown99.9]
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homegrown99.9 said: Just ordered myself an ounce of HBWR off ebay and have been thinking of which way to do the extract since it will be my first time ever to do something like this. Couple questions, anyone know how pure the LSA would be from the anarchist's cookbook?? I'm thinking of getting some Everclear from the liquor store and I'm not really sure if the naphtha from a home depot would work or not? And by washing you simply mean putting the seeds in a filter over a jar and running the naphtha over the seeds?? Any help would be appreciated since I have no idea what I'm doing. Of course I'm going to be the guinea pig before I let anyone else try these out. And if I got the crystal or had it stay in liquid form (if possible) could I dose these up on #10 or #14 White construction paper for easier storage and handling? I plan on getting a couple little vials at the local hobby store if I get the actual crystal from my first extraction. Thanks in advance!!
On a side not I've had a really good time on LSA, my buddy got some that his friend extracted from HBWR and I had some of the best CEVs ever, considering I've done l, mush, and dmt countless time LSA does not compare but is still fun if real L isn't readily available. Just trying to get ready for the summer months early!!
A cold water extract is by far the easiest way to extract. A naptha wash is simple, you soak the crushed in naptha for maybe a half hour, strain and let them dry. Make sure its clean naptha that leaves no residue on evaporation. Im comfortable saying that 99% of the recipes in the anarchist cookbook are garbage, do not follow them. Theres a thousand threads on multiple ways to extract HBWR. There is absolutely no way for you to get an extract potent enough that you could put it on paper, furthermore LSA is so sensitive to light, heat, and oxygen that even if you did lay it to paper it would degrade fast as hell. LSA is by far my favourite durg and Ill recommend you just do a CWE.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
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Zombi3 said: furthermore LSA is so sensitive to light, heat, and oxygen that even if you did lay it to paper it would degrade fast as hell.
You don't know that it's more sensitive to light than LSD. And I already showed you indications that show it's not as sensitive to heat as people think. And no, it's not sensitive to oxygen.
Heat:
Chop it up as fine as possible: a blender comes in handy. You may wish to chop then dry. A word of caution : try to avoid exposing your stuff to excessive heat. I dry in low heat oven. Heat and air destroy good compounds from upwards of 100 degs C. All this bit will depend on exactly what you are extracting.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_extraction1.shtml
It seems like the ergoline alkoloids present in morning glories, Rivea Corymbosa, and Argyreia Nervosa seem to be resistant to heat.
Visual Distortion https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6441
I prepared tea by crushing and boiling the seeds.
And he achieved effects:
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: s240779]
#19519501 - 02/04/14 07:50 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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The reason I say its sensitive to heat, light, and oxygen despite the information you have given is because during mass amounts of personnel trial I have seen drastic reduction in potency in vials stored in the light vs vials stored in the dark. I have used heat on LSA extractions to aid in extraction of the alkaloids and upon test I found it to be completely inactive. There is also a noticeable potency loss in extracts that are evaporated, because of exposure to air.
Forgetting all the time and trials I have put into personnel LSA research he would not be able to lay it to paper because it takes a dam good extract to get it to a pure product, yes if you obtained %100 pure LSA where it was truely active at the 1mg range then yes maybe you could succesfully lay it to a "normal" sized blotter. But since the average person will never concentrate/purify it to %100 pure, it is highly unlikely anyone will be able to make a blotter with enough LSA on it to achieve effects. Youd end up eating 30-40 tabs.
Aside from all that, LSA imho is not as strong dosed sublingually, it is usually dosed orally for best effects. If I want to trip on 5 seeds Ill eat them straight, If I want to trip on 5 seeds sublingually then I need to eat 6-8 seeds to get the same effects as 5. This means that even if you concentrated it to %100 pure LSA and layed blotter with 1mg each to take sublingual, you would still need 2-3 blotters to achieve a 1mg or very light dose. If you didnt get it to %100 pure the amount of blotters you need in order to even lay the LSA increases, and so does the number of tabs you need to eat to achieve a threshold dose.
Furthermore, regular construction paper isnt blotting paper and would require even more and more to lay the same amount of chemical as you would with proper blotting paper, meaning even more paper to eat once again.
Lastly, LSA stored in 94% ethanol in complete darkness in a fridge loses potency within a few weeks, a month maximum. My most potent extract was left nearly inactive after only a month of sitting in my fridge... I highly doubt you could efficiently store LSA on blotter, it certainly would degrade in a few weeks making your effort fruitless. Plus, once its on blotter its assumed to be for human consumption, making it highly illegal.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
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I keep seeing stuff that argues against what you're saying. The following quote is by 69Ron, who is well known on multiple drug message boards for he contributions to extraction methodology.
AFOAF has not noticed much from light degradation, but even in a light proof air tight container LSA only lasts a few years and starts going bad.
So don’t extract a giant amount and expect it to keep for many years.
One thing that AFOAF has noticed which damages LSA easily is boiling it in water. It’s ok for the first 5 minutes or so, but if you keep boiling it all gets destroyed.
27-01-2011 69Ron http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=945930&postcount=8
There's a very big range of potency variation with LAA. Are you sure that wasn't the cause of your weak preparations?
Source: Genest K. Changes in ergoline alkaloids in seeds during ontogeny of Ipomoea violacea. J Pharm Sci 1966;55:1284–682.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: s240779]
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Da2ra, youve supplied me with alot of good reading here buddy. I agree there is a lot of information going against what Im saying, but first hand trials are what Im going to go by. 69ron has alot of great posts all over the web and for the most part I trust he has tested and tested his theories. It is fully possible I have weak seeds, or a massive tolerance to LSA. But I have a hard time getting on the band wagon when light, oxygen, and heat seem to be destroying my LSA. At the end of the day though I am very much an amateur and could be fucking it all up somewhere that I dont see.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
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Wow some nice extractions, beautiful.
I'm planning on trying this method https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=35607
I will definitley try your method Zombi3 looks like some good stuff. How potent would you say your extract is? How much in mg do you have to take for a strong trip?
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: PsychedelicWizz]
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My first LSA experience was with 8 seeds and a CWE. Had a nice trip enhanced greatly by mary jane. My second was with 10 seeds and i crushed them up, placed in teabags, and soaked in 92% isopropyl overnight. I poured the mix in a pyrex pan and evaporated, then scraped up the gunk and placed in a gel casule. The trip felt like 100ug of LSD and all was good, great in fact! and the nausea wasnt too bad. About 4 hours in i foolishly went to taco bell with my buddies and munched down. When i got home i felt so sick and vomitted outside quite a bit. While i was vomitting the trip turned into insanity. My whole field of vision was pixellated and covered in frightening fractals. My friends who dont trip(only smoke herb) got so worried and thought i was really sick. I knew it was just the nausea from the LSA but i couldnt explain to them that i was alright, i had such a hard time vocalizing what i meant because i was tripping so hard. After 30 mins i came down and i felt alright then went to sleep.
It was probably the taco bell and not the iso extraction that did me in but just some food for thought. If i ever do HBWR again itll be a CWE because of this experience
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: PsychedelicWizz]
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PsychedelicWizz said: Wow some nice extractions, beautiful.
I'm planning on trying this method https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=35607
I will definitley try your method Zombi3 looks like some good stuff. How potent would you say your extract is? How much in mg do you have to take for a strong trip?
let me know how that extract goes, think i'm gonna try the CWE extract with some purified or distilled water for my first..i have enough seeds coming my way to to do it but want to try a few before I do anything really big. Trying to get stocked up for this summer, i wanna have some fun not really doing anything other than actual family L at the end of last year and I cant find any right now...so LSA will work until then
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: homegrown99.9]
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: s240779]
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Another question, the liquid you get after extracting and washing the seeds with could you keep in a darker vial and dose a type of candy to eat it with and how many drops would be a good dose if you do about a half oz of hwbr extraction?
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
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This is a VERY clever extraction, @Zombi3, but I have a few questions:
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Zombi3 said: 9. Youll be left with a jar containg 3 ethanol pulls, and a jar with the 1 water pull.
Go ahead and setup a funnel and to it add enough ativated charcoal to fill it right to the top, fancy a way to prevent the charcoal from falling out the bottom. Using cold distilled water make sure the charcoal is plenty wet, just run a bunch of water over it.
Take your ethanol extracts and slowly pour them through this charcoal filled funnel at least 3 times, collect the now very clean alcohol and evaporate it as quick as possible in the dark using no heat.
Now pour your water extract through the same charcoal without rinsing it. Do this at least 3-5 times and collect the now essentially clear water. Evaporate this quickly in a dark room using no heat.
I'm curious about something. Are these filtration steps entirely necessary? If you're left with three ethanol pulls plus the water pull described above, and you are discarding the leftover seed pulp anyway, then why bother running through activated charcoal in this phase? I could be wrong, but since this isn't for a laboratory grade, where purity is absolutely vital, and most people simply chew the seeds whole, wouldn't the amount of particulate matter one is removing with the several passes over activated charcoal be negligible in terms of nausea-inducing? Moreover, I would personally think (again, I may be wrong) that you would lose some precious LSA that didn't go all the way through the activated charcoal, and wouldn't this be worse than ingesting a very small amount of the seed pulp that one would be working so hard to get rid of?
Seems to me that when doing this method, so much of the seed pulp at the end would be getting tossed in the garbage anyway. Am I wrong in assuming it would be all right, maybe even preferable, to simply skip the activated charcoal filtration(s) all together? This way one would just skip ahead to letting all the alcohol evaporate in the 3 alcohol pulls and the water evaporate in the water pull, then combining them as you suggested later in the process, and ingesting those trace amounts of leftover pulp, knowing you are discarding the vast majority of it anyway?
Don't get me wrong, I get the cool chemistry involved, and the desire to have the purest yield possible with the least amount of even trace seed pulp ingested at the end. But, and forgive me for saying this, this step seems like overkill, and has the diminishing return issue of leaving a little LSA from all 4 pulls behind with all the many charcoal filtrations. Unless I am totally wrong here, I think I would rather have the little trace amounts of the seed pulp.
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Zombi3 said:Scrape together both resulting extracts when both have finished evaporating. Mix them as good as possible and dissolve in a small amount of drinking alcohol, I used 94% ethanol, you could use vodka. Measure your alcohol so that 1ml = 1 dose, or whatever strength your looking for. I dissolve my gunk into an amount of ethanol so that 1ml = 10HBWR seeds.
I can totally see doing all this if one is hypothetically extracting from 100 to 500 HBW seeds at a time. If for no other reason than to preserve the LSA in very compact doses. Presumably the sealed little bottles of ethanol-LSA solution act as a preservative, and one could have many months of doses from one pull. But if one is not a heavy user, and simply wants to extract LSA from, say 30 to 50 HBW seeds at a time, representing 2-4 doses, can this alcohol suspension be skipped?
Thanks!
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: LSA Woodrose]
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Why all this trouble with seeds extracting and such to have a psychedelic experience? Get some LSD, easy enough.
I’ve ate my share of HBWR. Found thirty or so a comfortable dose. Morning glory seeds, eaten those as if popcorn at the movies. Never tried extracting. Never saw too much negative to consuming whole.
Find it funny all the trouble to get to a peak experience that can be gotten by other matter with simplier ways and means
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: WhoManBeing]
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WhoManBeing said: Why all this trouble with seeds extracting and such to have a psychedelic experience? Get some LSD, easy enough.
I’ve ate my share of HBWR. Found thirty or so a comfortable dose. Morning glory seeds, eaten those as if popcorn at the movies. Never tried extracting. Never saw too much negative to consuming whole.
Find it funny all the trouble to get to a peak experience that can be gotten by other matter with simplier ways and means
Well, for starters, I live in NY City, but I have no idea where to even look for acid, and unlike weed, which is pretty much decriminalized and one or two steps away from legal, LSD is hard to come by. I have literally no idea where to get it, who to ask, and how to do so without severe felony risk.
Also, while you are essentially correct, LSD is an incredibly intense experience, and I haven't done it in decades. It may be too intense for me at this point in my life, to be completely honest. I am in great shape, fitness expert and all, but at the end of the day I'm not sure I can handle a full blown acid trip. I am not opposed to trying, or at least maybe even a half or three quarters of a hit to get my feet wet...again. But LSA, shrooms, and other organic stuff is a lot milder, not to mention I can actually get Hawaiian Woodrose seeds easily enough. LSD, like I said, not even the first clue where to look, who to ask, or where to find safe contacts.
Edited by LSA Woodrose (02/06/20 12:16 AM)
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: LSA Woodrose]
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Okay, sorry for the double post, but in my defense, I posted the last one yesterday. Anyway, something just occurred to me. I did a 6 seed, very easy and unsophisticated water extraction last week, right about when I started what is turning out to be a one week attempt at a non polar/polar extraction. I did that because I didn't want to wait a week to get my feet wet, but I also wanted to keep it very low key. So I assume with such a low brow water pull I made, using a homemade tea bag and some garlic of all things, that with the 6 seed water pull I did, I would be lucky if I got 3 seeds worth of actual LSA.
Anyway, the question that just occurred to me is this:
I am toward the end (slowly evaporating the 91% Isopropyl now) of a one week attempt at 25 seeds. So my question is, why even go through the bother of the polar step at all? My understanding is that the non-polar extraction, for which I used Naptha, should be all that's needed. Let me explain my reasoning, and maybe its sound, maybe not. If the Naptha is used to pull out all the fat soluble toxins, then why even bother with the actual extraction? Am I wrong in assuming that once the Naptha or other non polar solvent evaporates, assuming my reasoning is correct, then don't the poisons go bye-bye along with the Naptha evaporation?
Why not just eat the now-dried powdered seed bolus and be done with it? I assume its not this simple, though?
Note: If someone could please answer the question I asked in this post as well as the ones I posed in my first post here, I would really appreciate it!
Edited by LSA Woodrose (02/06/20 07:18 PM)
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