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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
    #19280831 - 12/15/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yes sir! Sticky brown crystls! Smell kinda like mollasses :laugh:
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
    #19281002 - 12/15/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ground up seeds in cold water. Did u let sit in the fridge? And for how long? And how many pulls? My  IPA pulls have always end up gooey not waxy.


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
    #19292981 - 12/18/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not pleased with my extraction of 4200 morning glories so far.
Evap down to 50 ml in ethanol. Dosed 8 ml almost 3 hours ago. Barely any effects. Very little body buzz. Eyes are barely even dilated.

When you guys evap your extractions down to "pure" lsa. How do you dose it? I know by weight but what is a normal dose, what is a strong dose?


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
    #19293004 - 12/18/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Are morning glory seeds(heavenly blue) black?


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
    #19293048 - 12/18/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Are morning glory seeds(heavenly blue) black?




yes.

did the IPA extract give you nausea?


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: LittleDipster]
    #19293066 - 12/18/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Not at all. I only did the IPA extract on 5 hbwr and 30 morning glorys. I had a great trip with very little varslarconstriction. This was just with morning glorys and I'm think I got bad seeds or something.


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
    #19293128 - 12/18/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, morning glories can be a hit or miss I've found. I've tripped hard from like 400 seeds and also barely tripped from that dose. :shrug:


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: LittleDipster]
    #19293451 - 12/18/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah. I think I'm just going to stick with hbwr from now on.

Does anyone know the weight of a good does after extraction and evaporating?


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
    #19293827 - 12/18/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So I ordered 250 hbwr seeds and they got here yesterday. Went to check the mail and I had another 250 hbwr seeds in there! Woo! They shipped my order twice! Lol


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
    #19294406 - 12/18/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So the 50 ml of the 4200 morning glory seed extraction is almost done evaporating and basically nothing is left in the bottom -_- WTH! That was a bust.


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
    #19354786 - 01/01/14 01:45 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

i just finished my lsa extraction i used 90% iso on 50 hbws. i let it sit for 3 days with occasional shaking and filtered all the seed mush out then ran it through the activated charcoal 4 times and it left me with almost clear liquid that finished evaporating.

now i have 56 mg of a ligth brown gunk thats kind of gooey but hard at the same time

i have not had too much success with finding dosages online for lsa on its own only seeds but i was thinking of taking 5 to 10 mg to try out


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: allseeingike]
    #19354958 - 01/01/14 02:35 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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i just finished my lsa extraction i used 90% iso on 50 hbws. i let it sit for 3 days with occasional shaking and filtered all the seed mush out then ran it through the activated charcoal 4 times and it left me with almost clear liquid that finished evaporating.

now i have 56 mg of a ligth brown gunk thats kind of gooey but hard at the same time

i have not had too much success with finding dosages online for lsa on its own only seeds but i was thinking of taking 5 to 10 mg to try out




I think I'v read pure LSA has dosages somewhere between 1-3mg. I'd start low if I were you. Let us know how this turns out because I still haven't done anything with my seeds.


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: LittleDipster]
    #19363581 - 01/03/14 02:00 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

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i just finished my lsa extraction i used 90% iso on 50 hbws. i let it sit for 3 days with occasional shaking and filtered all the seed mush out then ran it through the activated charcoal 4 times and it left me with almost clear liquid that finished evaporating.

now i have 56 mg of a ligth brown gunk thats kind of gooey but hard at the same time

i have not had too much success with finding dosages online for lsa on its own only seeds but i was thinking of taking 5 to 10 mg to try out




I think I'v read pure LSA has dosages somewhere between 1-3mg. I'd start low if I were you. Let us know how this turns out because I still haven't done anything with my seeds.



HBWR seeds have roughly .25% LSA per seed. Meaning it takes 4 seeds to get aprox 1mg. This makes sense since 4 seeds (1mg) is a light trip, 8 seeds (2mg) is a an average-strong trip, and 12 seeds (3mg) is a heavy trip for sure.

I have been dong LSA extracts for some time and average about 80-90% yield of alkaloids. I have found it completely necessary to raise your seed amount by %30 when extracting. This means if you want to trip on 9 seeds in extract form, you need to actually extract 12 seeds to account for loss.

Having that been said...
Your 50 HBWR seeds should have 12.5mg of LSA total if you were able to extract at %100 efficiency. But since i can tell you that a 3 day IPA soak will NOT extract %100, closer to %75, I would expect you dont have any more than 9.375mg of extracted LSA (or 75% of alkaloids).

So you have roughly 9 x 1mg LSA doses in that pile of 56mg brown gunk. So this means you need to eat 6.2mg of your extract in order to be consuming a threshold dose of 1mg LSA. Therefore I estimate that you should take 6.2mg in order to achieve a threshold trip, and eat 12.4mg in order to achieve a medium dose trip, 18.6mg to achieve a strong trip, and anything over 20mg should blow your tits off.

Now out of 56mg total you should have the estimated 9mg of LSA, which makes your extract roughly 16% pure only.. As 9x56/100=%16. Considering that IPA may not evaporate totally clean you might start considering what the other %84 of garbage is in your extract.. Its likely to be a lot of tannins and junk from the seeds as IPA is not very selective and pulls out much more than just the LSA's, obviously.

Lastly, you obtaining even a %75 yield of total available alkaloids relies on your extraction having been done in optimal conditions of very very low light, zero exposure to any heat, and as little as possible exposure to air. Your extract ws quite exposed to air when you evaporated it, I dont know how warm your place is, and I dont know how much light was present during the extraction process. So best case scenario your conditions were optimal and you got %75 yield which means the above stated 9.375mg of LSA, or a 16% pure extract, but if your conditions were any less than optimal, expect your yield of active alkaloids in the total 56mg to be lower than my estimations.

Good luck though! Extracting HBWR/MG is so much fun, you CAN get very strong, very pure yields with practice.
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
    #19363645 - 01/03/14 02:18 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

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Lastly, you obtaining even a %75 yield of total available alkaloids relies on your extraction having been done in optimal conditions of very very low light, zero exposure to any heat, and as little as possible exposure to air. Your extract ws quite exposed to air when you evaporated it, I dont know how warm your place is, and I dont know how much light was present during the extraction process.




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I dont know how warm your place is,





Only relatively high levels of heat affect it. Warmness certainly doesn't.

Lysergamides can be exposed to reasonably high levels of heat.

Here are some indications that exposing LAA to heat is fine:

Chop it up as fine as possible: a blender comes in handy. You may wish to chop then dry. A word of caution : try to avoid exposing your stuff to excessive heat. I dry in low heat oven. Heat and air destroy good compounds from upwards of 100 degs C. All this bit will depend on exactly what you are extracting.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_extraction1.shtml


It seems like the ergoline alkoloids present in morning glories, Rivea Corymbosa, and Argyreia Nervosa seem to be resistant to heat.

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Correction: R. corymbosa and A. Nervosa are both a type of morning glory; and there are more than three LAA-containing types. See pages 225-227 & 231-238 in the following document: Eckhart Eich. 2008. Solanaceae and Convolvulaceae: Secondary Metabolites: Biosynthesis, Chemotaxonomy, Biological and Economics Significance (a Handbook).


I prepared tea by crushing and boiling the seeds.

Subject indeed achieved effects:

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And I don't think air has any effect on it in the short term. I also don't think one can regulate the amount of air it is exposed to during evaporation.


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
    #19368641 - 01/04/14 02:40 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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i just finished my lsa extraction i used 90% iso on 50 hbws. i let it sit for 3 days with occasional shaking and filtered all the seed mush out then ran it through the activated charcoal 4 times and it left me with almost clear liquid that finished evaporating.

now i have 56 mg of a ligth brown gunk thats kind of gooey but hard at the same time

i have not had too much success with finding dosages online for lsa on its own only seeds but i was thinking of taking 5 to 10 mg to try out




I think I'v read pure LSA has dosages somewhere between 1-3mg. I'd start low if I were you. Let us know how this turns out because I still haven't done anything with my seeds.



HBWR seeds have roughly .25% LSA per seed. Meaning it takes 4 seeds to get aprox 1mg. This makes sense since 4 seeds (1mg) is a light trip, 8 seeds (2mg) is a an average-strong trip, and 12 seeds (3mg) is a heavy trip for sure.

I have been dong LSA extracts for some time and average about 80-90% yield of alkaloids. I have found it completely necessary to raise your seed amount by %30 when extracting. This means if you want to trip on 9 seeds in extract form, you need to actually extract 12 seeds to account for loss.

Having that been said...
Your 50 HBWR seeds should have 12.5mg of LSA total if you were able to extract at %100 efficiency. But since i can tell you that a 3 day IPA soak will NOT extract %100, closer to %75, I would expect you dont have any more than 9.375mg of extracted LSA (or 75% of alkaloids).

So you have roughly 9 x 1mg LSA doses in that pile of 56mg brown gunk. So this means you need to eat 6.2mg of your extract in order to be consuming a threshold dose of 1mg LSA. Therefore I estimate that you should take 6.2mg in order to achieve a threshold trip, and eat 12.4mg in order to achieve a medium dose trip, 18.6mg to achieve a strong trip, and anything over 20mg should blow your tits off.

Now out of 56mg total you should have the estimated 9mg of LSA, which makes your extract roughly 16% pure only.. As 9x56/100=%16. Considering that IPA may not evaporate totally clean you might start considering what the other %84 of garbage is in your extract.. Its likely to be a lot of tannins and junk from the seeds as IPA is not very selective and pulls out much more than just the LSA's, obviously.

Lastly, you obtaining even a %75 yield of total available alkaloids relies on your extraction having been done in optimal conditions of very very low light, zero exposure to any heat, and as little as possible exposure to air. Your extract ws quite exposed to air when you evaporated it, I dont know how warm your place is, and I dont know how much light was present during the extraction process. So best case scenario your conditions were optimal and you got %75 yield which means the above stated 9.375mg of LSA, or a 16% pure extract, but if your conditions were any less than optimal, expect your yield of active alkaloids in the total 56mg to be lower than my estimations.

Good luck though! Extracting HBWR/MG is so much fun, you CAN get very strong, very pure yields with practice.
Best of luck!!




ok thanks for the info my house is pretty cold all the time and i did it in a dark room with only a red ligth from my phone. the only time it was exposed to air was during evap but nothing else. i gave my buddy 9 mg of the gunk last nigth and im waiting to hear back from him but i will probably try 20 to blow my tits off as you so eloquently put it.

this was mainly a test extraction because the seeds are pretty old ( got them in 2011 and have been exposed to miami heat ( as full seeds ) so i dont expect it to be too strong but i plan on getting more seeds in this week to try again with a fresh batch


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: allseeingike]
    #19369447 - 01/04/14 05:47 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Wow sounds like you did everything you could to prevent alk loss! Congrats! Im a little concerned about 3 year old seeds sitting in miami heat but hey you never know right!? Are you able to get everclear? It is much better for these sorts of extracts. Interested to hear how strong your extract is! I have a HBWR extract going that Im stoked for, also I have Turbina corymbosa seeds I cant wait to do something with!!!


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
    #19517980 - 02/03/14 09:02 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Just ordered myself an ounce of HBWR off ebay and have been thinking of which way to do the extract since it will be my first time ever to do something like this.  Couple questions, anyone know how pure the LSA would be from the anarchist's cookbook?? I'm thinking of getting some Everclear from the liquor store and I'm not really sure if the naphtha from a home depot would work or not? And by washing you simply mean putting the seeds in a filter over a jar and running the naphtha over the seeds?? Any help would be appreciated since I have no idea what I'm doing.  Of course I'm going to be the guinea pig before I let anyone else try these out.  And if I got the crystal or had it stay in liquid form (if possible) could I dose these up on #10 or #14 White construction paper for easier storage and handling? I plan on getting a couple little vials at the local hobby store if I get the actual crystal from my first extraction.  Thanks in advance!!

On a side not I've had a really good time on LSA, my buddy got some that his friend extracted from HBWR and I had some of the best CEVs ever, considering I've done l, mush, and dmt countless time LSA does not compare but is still fun if real L isn't readily available. Just trying to get ready for the summer months early!!


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    #19519239 - 02/04/14 05:32 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Just ordered myself an ounce of HBWR off ebay and have been thinking of which way to do the extract since it will be my first time ever to do something like this.  Couple questions, anyone know how pure the LSA would be from the anarchist's cookbook?? I'm thinking of getting some Everclear from the liquor store and I'm not really sure if the naphtha from a home depot would work or not? And by washing you simply mean putting the seeds in a filter over a jar and running the naphtha over the seeds?? Any help would be appreciated since I have no idea what I'm doing.  Of course I'm going to be the guinea pig before I let anyone else try these out.  And if I got the crystal or had it stay in liquid form (if possible) could I dose these up on #10 or #14 White construction paper for easier storage and handling? I plan on getting a couple little vials at the local hobby store if I get the actual crystal from my first extraction.  Thanks in advance!!

On a side not I've had a really good time on LSA, my buddy got some that his friend extracted from HBWR and I had some of the best CEVs ever, considering I've done l, mush, and dmt countless time LSA does not compare but is still fun if real L isn't readily available. Just trying to get ready for the summer months early!!



A cold water extract is by far the easiest way to extract. A naptha wash is simple, you soak the crushed in naptha for maybe a half hour, strain and let them dry. Make sure its clean naptha that leaves no residue on evaporation. Im comfortable saying that 99% of the recipes in the anarchist cookbook are garbage, do not follow them. Theres a thousand threads on multiple ways to extract HBWR. There is absolutely no way for you to get an extract potent enough that you could put it on paper, furthermore LSA is so sensitive to light, heat, and oxygen that even if you did lay it to paper it would degrade fast as hell. LSA is by far my favourite durg and Ill recommend you just do a CWE. :awesomenod:


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    #19519424 - 02/04/14 07:15 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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furthermore LSA is so sensitive to light, heat, and oxygen that even if you did lay it to paper it would degrade fast as hell.




You don't know that it's more sensitive to light than LSD. And I already showed you indications that show it's not as sensitive to heat as people think. And no, it's not sensitive to oxygen.


Heat:

Chop it up as fine as possible: a blender comes in handy. You may wish to chop then dry. A word of caution : try to avoid exposing your stuff to excessive heat. I dry in low heat oven. Heat and air destroy good compounds from upwards of 100 degs C. All this bit will depend on exactly what you are extracting.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_extraction1.shtml


It seems like the ergoline alkoloids present in morning glories, Rivea Corymbosa, and Argyreia Nervosa seem to be resistant to heat.

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I prepared tea by crushing and boiling the seeds.

And he achieved effects:

I opened my eyes and noticed that the carpet in my apartment was a luxurious shade of green interwoven with threads of vivid blue. It was almost like a small lake with ripples catching the gleams of the sun.

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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: s240779]
    #19519501 - 02/04/14 07:50 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

The reason I say its sensitive to heat, light, and oxygen despite the information you have given is because during mass amounts of personnel trial I have seen drastic reduction in potency in vials stored in the light vs vials stored in the dark. I have used heat on LSA extractions to aid in extraction of the alkaloids and upon test I found it to be completely inactive. There is also a noticeable potency loss in extracts that are evaporated, because of exposure to air.

Forgetting all the time and trials I have put into personnel LSA research he would not be able to lay it to paper because it takes a dam good extract to get it to a pure product, yes if you obtained %100 pure LSA where it was truely active at the 1mg range then yes maybe you could succesfully lay it to a "normal" sized blotter. But since the average person will never concentrate/purify it to %100 pure, it is highly unlikely anyone will be able to make a blotter with enough LSA on it to achieve effects. Youd end up eating 30-40 tabs.

Aside from all that, LSA imho is not as strong dosed sublingually, it is usually dosed orally for best effects. If I want to trip on 5 seeds Ill eat them straight, If I want to trip on 5 seeds sublingually then I need to eat 6-8 seeds to get the same effects as 5. This means that even if you concentrated it to %100 pure LSA and layed blotter with 1mg each to take sublingual, you would still need 2-3 blotters to achieve a 1mg or very light dose. If you didnt get it to %100 pure the amount of blotters you need in order to even lay the LSA increases, and so does the number of tabs you need to eat to achieve a threshold dose.

Furthermore, regular construction paper isnt blotting paper and would require even more and more to lay the same amount of chemical as you would with proper blotting paper, meaning even more paper to eat once again.

Lastly, LSA stored in 94% ethanol in complete darkness in a fridge loses potency within a few weeks, a month maximum. My most potent extract was left nearly inactive after only a month of sitting in my fridge... I highly doubt you could efficiently store LSA on blotter, it certainly would degrade in a few weeks making your effort fruitless. Plus, once its on blotter its assumed to be for human consumption, making it highly illegal.

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