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Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR
    #19210338 - 11/30/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I got 50 HBWR, authentic I'm 95% sure, and they make me really nauseous, last time I chewed and swallowed 9 seeds I thew up violently multiple times until I dry heaved about 5 times on the come up and then towards the end of the trip I started throwing up violently again over and over for a couple hours. I couldnt hold down any food or water and I was very dehydrated. I was very scared for my health and safety.

Seeds that contain LSA also contain ergometrine, d-lysergic acid beta propanolamide, lysergic acid, and hydroxyethylamide but LSA is the is the most abundent akaloid and produces most if not all of the effects. The average weight of a HBWR seed is 97mg. I found this out by finding the average weight of 10 seeds and knowing the average weight of LSA that takes up the total weight of HBWR was 13% Threfore the amount of LSA u take when u take an active dose of HBWR (5-8 seeds) is 63mg-101mg.

Is it possible to just extract LSA, LSBP, and LSH in near pure form or better and wash away all the other ergoline alkaloids which produce the nasty side effects such as nausea and vasoconstriction? If there's a tek for this can someone show it to me or point me in the right direction? I think this would be very hard to do since extracting one pure egroline akaloid from the group of erogline alkaloids is hard enough, extracting 3 from a group of about 10 or more would most likely require A LOT of pH adjusting and possibly a reflux condenser set up.


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: PurpleHaze147]
    #19231278 - 12/05/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I also have some questions! But yes it is possible to extract the LSA. You will have to do extra work to get it into it pure form.
But I just want to get some people opinions too. My cat has 9000 morning glory seeds and 50 hbwr on the way. He is wanting to do an extraction on 4500-5000 morning glorys. This will b his first one. I've did research and I just want to make sure he yields as much lsa as possible. I see people post their teks but not results /:

This the basic tek I'm going to follow:


-Everclear or 99.9% isopropyl alcohol 
-coffee grinder
-sealable, glass jars
-funnel and filter paper
-morning glory seeds (of course)
-paper plates
-large tray with smooth edges 


1) grind morning glory seeds (not too fine, not too coarse)
2) mix morning glory seeds with toluene in a glass jar.  close glass jar.  shake jar occasionally over the next 3 days
3) filter out the crushed morning glory seeds
4) put seeds evenly on paper plates and let them dry out over 24 hours
5) add crushed seed powder to a jar with 99.9% isopropyl alcohol (if you do not plan on drinking it) or ethanol (if you want choice)
6) stir occasionally, keep in jar for 2 days
7) filter out all the seeds
8) if your solution is an ethanol mixture, you may drink it. if you do not want to drink it continue below

9) pour your alcohol mixture in a tray
10) leave tray in a dark room and allow all alcohol to evaporate
11) scrape off all of the morning glory LSA honey

Would you use ethanol or IPA to pull the lsa? I plan to evap all of the solution when finished
And can you let it soak too long or do to many pulls?
Also the naptha wash, can he skip that step?
And what about purify the finished product?

Thanks guys!


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
    #19231399 - 12/05/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I do A LOT of LSA extracts and in many different ways.
IME just skip the de-fatting step. Dont do a naptha wash. Its a waste of time. My reasoning however flawed it my be is this; the good alkaloids are alcohol soluble, the bad ones are not, so why remove the bad ones if they rent soluble in the solvent your using to extrct the good ones?

Heres a simple recipe I have used many many times.

1. Grind seeds to a chunky powder.
2. Place in mason jar and cover with high proof ethanol, I used 94% ethanol, use everclear if you can. Do not use anything below 94% and if you cant get it then use 99% isopropyl. 70% sucks.
3. Leave to sit and steap in a cool dark place for 24 hours.
4. After 24 hours remove your ethanol and replace with an equall amount of fresh ethanol, let sit for 12 hours.
5. Once more remove your ethanol and replace with fresh ethanol. Let sit 12 hours in cool dark place.
6. Now you should have a jar with all 3 ethanol pulls.
7. Add just enough cold distilled water to the jar with the seed mush to cover it all and put this in the fridge for 24 hours.
8. Recover water from seed mush and feel free to discard the seed mush now.
9. Youll be left with a jar containg 3 ethanol pulls, and a jar with the 1 water pull.

Go ahead and setup a funnel and to it add enough ativated charcoal to fill it right to the top, fancy a way to prevent the charcoal from falling out the bottom. Using cold distilled water make sure the charcoal is plenty wet, just run a bunch of water over it.

Take your ethanol extracts and slowly pour them through this charcoal filled funnel at least 3 times, collect the now very clean alcohol and evaporate it as quick as possible in the dark using no heat.

Now pour your water extract through the same charcoal without rinsing it. Do this at least 3-5 times and collect the now essentially clear water. Evaporate this quickly in a dark room using no heat.

Scrape together both resulting extracts when both have finished evaporating. Mix them as good as possible and dissolve in a small amount of drinking alcohol, I used 94% ethanol, you could use vodka. Measure your alcohol so that 1ml = 1 dose, or whatever strength your looking for. I dissolve my gunk into an amount of ethanol so that 1ml = 10HBWR seeds.

Always use 20% more seeds to start with when doing an extraction, LSA's are so fragile you will loose quite a bit. They are sensitive to air, light, and heat. Optimally youd like to be doing this in an inert environment with zero lights and a low temp. 10 seeds extracted feels like 5-6 chewed. The advantage is no negative effects.


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
    #19231442 - 12/05/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That about the naptha made sense to me too, same reasoning I came too! Lol
And thanks!
Question bout the activated charcoal, what is it? Does it help clean the solution?

Also I want a solid product, could I still follow your tek and just evap the the finished product all the way down?


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
    #19231629 - 12/05/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Activated charcol is used in aquarium filters among other things to clean stuff out of water. Its little chunks of coal, literally. It binds to itself all the tannins and junk in the water. If you were to run a red tea through activated charcoal enough times it would eventually come out virtually clear. Charcoal just cleans water on like, a molecular level man.

You can certainly evap the final product into a solid. If you use ethanol it will be more of a powder vs isopropyl which will be more of a resin. Either way you want to store them in gel caps to seal them from air and in complete darkness. I dissolve in ethanol because its much much easier for dosing and lasts a lot longer on the shelf.


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
    #19231951 - 12/05/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ahh, okay. You helped me out a lot. Can't wait til my seeds get here


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
    #19235698 - 12/06/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yea I was thinking of actually purifying the LSA not just make an extract, like I mean end up with a near pure white powder, I bet I can do that if I had the right ingredients


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: PurpleHaze147]
    #19235773 - 12/06/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You can't seperate the LAA from the other ergoline alkaloids (clavines and lysergamides). I'm, not even sure if a professional equipped with a lab could do it; they might have to use synthetic LAA if they wanted to work with the substance in isolation. Klinke et al. is an example of researchers who synthesized LAA.


Klinke HB, Müller IB, Steffenrud S and Dahl-Sørensen R. Two cases of lysergamide intoxication by ingestion of seeds from Hawaiin Baby Woodrose. Forensic Sci Int, 2010, 197 (1-3), e1-5

See "Materials and Method" section on page e2.


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: s240779]
    #19238693 - 12/06/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So I just started a test extract earlier today.. 30 mornings and 5 hbwr....
Crushed and straight into 70% IPA (all I had on hand)
5 hours soaking... Strained the mush.. Saved the IPA... Did another wash with the mush.. Letting it soak over night.

May do one more pull then let it evap.

I may be lucky to have one small dose.
Like I said this is just a test extract.


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
    #19240222 - 12/07/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Just got up. Bout to strain the 2nd pull and let it evap. Maybe do a water pull in the seed mush


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
    #19240283 - 12/07/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Good luck!


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
    #19242847 - 12/07/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I need some help guys!
How sensitive is lsa to light? How much is to much?


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
    #19244601 - 12/08/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Has anyone ever ordered seeds from psychedseeds.com?
Were they any good


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
    #19245085 - 12/08/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have done quick extractions in fully lit rooms and kept my extract in average light for over a week before dosing, It was certainly still active but at reduced potency for what I was expecting. I do all my extracts in a room using blue/black light now and store everything in a dark fridge, you should do the same.

Dont bother going through companis for seeds, just go to ebay and buy the best deal, I have never gone through  trusted supplier and have always just ordered the cheepest seeds I could find on ebay. I have NEVER been let down by ebay seeds, I hve NEVER bought bunk seeds from ebay, just make sure your getting hawaiian strain seeds and your good, ebay is the shit, these seeds are tremendously over priced every where else.


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
    #19245136 - 12/08/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Psyched seeds sells his on eBay for cheap too. Hawaiian strain. 50 for about 5 dollars. And I've been working on my extract in normal light and storing and evap in a closest.


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
    #19245202 - 12/08/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Can your store extracted lsa gunk in a plastic container? Or will the lsa soak into the plastic?


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
    #19245210 - 12/08/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yup those seeds look legit. Great deals too! Go for it! I might grab 1000+ from this guy actually.. Go get yourself some blue cfl lights, I dunno if its any less destructive to LSA but I do all my work under blue cfl lights and black lights. It cost me $5 per bulb and I just switch out my normal lights when I do extracts.


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
    #19245305 - 12/08/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Lsa reacts to black light when doing extract too, right? I have a black light laying around. Ill have to start using it.


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Trrrex92]
    #19245512 - 12/08/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes I believe black light is also bad but its far enough away and never directly on my extract, thats why I use predominently blue lights, it seems softer and darker than normal white, and a good extract of LSA will glow brightly under black light fyi


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
    #19252120 - 12/09/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So my test extract is almost finished evaping. It was only 70% IPA so the water left over took some extra time to evap. Using 91% on my next.
But the gunk is brown. Is this normal?


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