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Is this Gymnopilus junonius?
    #19210015 - 11/30/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Habitat:
Found in Fresno, in the heart of the city limits, along the edge of some apartments. I found several patches, all growing in clusters on what appeared to be black humus, but it turned out to be mulch. They all grew in clusters, and I noticed one smaller variety which I didn't pick due to a lack of any distinct smell or taste.

Gills:
The gills are yellow to orange, to rust with age, close to crowded, with multiple tiers inserted. They are emarginate (notched before attaching). Gill flesh is slightly darker than cap flesh.

Stem:
Stems are roughly a couple inches or more in length, about 1/4 to an inch in diameter, with yellow flesh spore staining bright orange to rust with age. The texture is smooth, with rough, vertical striations. The stems are solid and thick. The annulus is superior, persistent, and stained from spore fall. Stems are slightly umbonate from the center of the cluster.

Cap:
Sizes range between only a few centimeters to a few inches, depending on maturity. The caps are yellow to orange with age, smooth and dry, with scale that diminishes with age. The flesh of the cap is yellow.

Spore print color:
*Pending*

Bruising:
I didn't notice any bruising, but the younger, more noticeable patches were trampled. :frown:

Other information:
Smell is anise-like, taste is bitter, like a gym! I looked everywhere for comparisons between G. junonius and G. ventricosus but couldn't find any that clearly differentiated this for me. I took some pics with a decent camera this time:

This one depicts the overall specimen.




Here you can see the gill and stipe.




I cut this one in half but just to show you, it has a pit in the very middle on top. I assume that this wasn't a natural formation of the mushroom's growth. Just look at the side profile of the gills and ignore the pitting, this doesn't occur on the others.





I know the spore print is crucial, but bear with me. It shouldn't take ALL night to print. I can upload and post more pictures from different specimens that I took this afternoon if need be. I took extras since I'm pretty sure these are gyms, but I'm likely wrong because I'm a newb.


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Re: Is this Gymnopilus junonius? [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #19210036 - 11/30/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's a Gymnopilus for sure. A species level ID is going to be hard to come by for this one because of the odd habitat for species from this group. If you had found it on a conifer stump I would lean toward G. ventricosus. You should definitely dry and save these for study.


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Re: Is this Gymnopilus junonius? [Re: Gravija]
    #19210056 - 11/30/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Good golly, that was fast! Thanks Gravija, your advice is most wise.

On a side note, what would be the harm in consuming G. ventricosus? Is their a 'safe' threshold dose to see if something is active or not? What if I ate a gram? Dead garden gnome, or happy gnome with colorful hands and feet?


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Re: Is this Gymnopilus junonius? [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #19210083 - 11/30/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, and no, I don't have a death wish; I just lack a good place to store my samples. If I have to wait until I can study them I might as well wait until next season to do so. I'd rather pick'n'eat right now if that were fine, but I don't want to find out after I ate them that non-active gyms were uber bad to eat.


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Re: Is this Gymnopilus junonius? [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #19210336 - 11/30/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Make sure your print is right
About 20g fresh (~0.25g/kg ) seems to be threshold for me.
They'll stay fresh for a week or so if you wrap in a paper towel and put in fridge - i put them on door or butter compartment where they seem to dry out rather than rot if left longer.
"Atypical locations" have been good to me this year.
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Re: Is this Gymnopilus junonius? [Re: gman]
    #19210527 - 11/30/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I believe all Gymnopilus contain the active drug gymnopilin, you can google search it... theres a good journal article on it somewhere. Its pretty cool to read. So it would be interesting to see what high doses of gymnopilin would do without the other active tryptamines added. I dont think gymnopilin is a tryptamine alkaloid,


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Re: Is this Gymnopilus junonius? [Re: Joust]
    #19211032 - 12/01/13 01:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So I took another nibble since I thought my food and drink fucked up my palette earlier (which they did), and dude, these things are about as bitter as eating raw coffee grounds or something. Why didn't anyone tell me they tasted SO GROSS? I mean, I understand 'bitter', but this is borderline inedible! Who thought it was a gonkin' good idea to get far enough into eating these suckers before first questioning their toxicity?  Also, I have no gallbladder, so I'm going to be on the safe side when I choose to consume. What's the approximate weight on a medium-sized mature specimen? I could manage eating one of these fresh, maybe two tops, but that's it. Drying them properly without losing a lot of their potency is impossible at this moment without a safe space to work in the house.


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Re: Is this Gymnopilus junonius? [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #19211037 - 12/01/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ahh, Gymnopilin comes up as 'cytotoxic'? Is that where the laughing comes from? XD


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Re: Is this Gymnopilus junonius? [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #19213188 - 12/01/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't want to keep bumping, but I have to know; is it a good idea to just eat these gyms? Even if they might be G. ventricosus? And how about the gymnopilin? I see no reports about its affects as a drug except that it operates on a couple receptors in the basal root ganglion of the central nervous system in mammals (I'm guessing this produces euphoria or the 'laughing' effect). I'm eating them anyhow, right now, so... we'll see. :smile:


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Re: Is this Gymnopilus junonius? [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #19213256 - 12/01/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

are you starving dood and have nothing else to eat?

even IF they were active...you DO NOT have NEARLY enough to get "high."


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Re: Is this Gymnopilus junonius? [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #19213285 - 12/01/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:havesomescience:


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Re: Is this Gymnopilus junonius? [Re: bloodworm]
    #19213343 - 12/01/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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are you starving dood and have nothing else to eat?

even IF they were active...you DO NOT have NEARLY enough to get "high."



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Re: Is this Gymnopilus junonius? [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #19213347 - 12/01/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

bloodworm, I actually found pounds and pounds at the location, I just didn't take home the entire haul! And yes, I AM starving, my body is telling me to find and consume magical fungus to get rid of my cluster headaches!
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I'm pretty sure these are active. I noted a couple specimens have bruised greenish-blue today on the caps. The wet weight on the calculator said I should eat about 20 or so grams, I think one good-sized cap should help me reach threshold since I have no gallbladder.


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Re: Is this Gymnopilus junonius? [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #19213425 - 12/01/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Post pictures of those specimens showing discoloration.

Why do you think the absence of a gallbladder is relevant to dosage? Doesn't this mainly affect the digestion of fat?


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Re: Is this Gymnopilus junonius? [Re: thiotimoline]
    #19213635 - 12/01/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It affects the digestion and metabolism of EVERYTHING. I found that out last year when I tried to dose the same as my buddy with what turned out to be poorly-manufactured RC, he didn't get hurt nearly as bad, but I was crippled by the experience. I'm more of a light-weight with smoking and drinking since I had it removed, and I'm fairly certain unfamiliar compounds from these gyms could end up in a bad experience if I ate TOO much. I'm just going to nosh this big cap and hope I start to feel it...
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YO! Also, Arizona's RX Energy tonic is the best thing to drink while consuming. You don't even notice the nastiness because the flavor of schisandra berries covers it up.


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Re: Is this Gymnopilus junonius? [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #19213710 - 12/01/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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