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MarcusFreeman



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Experimental WBS cakes
#19209906 - 11/30/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi all, a friend came over today and recommended that I share my most recent project. It's pretty much just for fun. I wasn't looking for anything; in fact, I expected all cakes to contaminate and have to be tossed.
I have done one grow before with PF cakes, and I was very happy with the results. I had done a lot of reading on different teks. I started a lot, but didn't finish many- only the PF tek. My 'true' second grow was the colonization of a wild psilocybe species on WBS. That is still not finished. Instead of fruiting inside, I decided to create an out door patch- It is working! I visit it every other day, and yesterday the mycelium had broken through the soil where I had buried it. I'll probably cover that area with verm and peat moss. I'm hoping that it will fruit this spring/summer.
On to the current "active" experiment: WBS cakes.
As a preface, I had done no prior research of WBS cakes. I was kind of curious what would happen... so this is what I did.
Back when I had my first successful grow, I cloned a few various fruits to Agar. I had 2 left over quart sized %100 WBS jars after inoculating 4 WBS jars of the wild psilocybe. I took 2 small wedges from a fast growing clone that came from my first grow and inoculated those two jars.
The jars were close to reaching full colonization when my first grow was coming to its conclusion. I had family coming to town and needed to vacate the room of mushroom stuff for a few weeks. I put the jars in a bag and stored them at a friends house for about month or so. The 2 jars had been kept in a cool, dark environment inside the bag. When I picked them up, they had fully colonized and consolidated.
I figured after all the traveling, they had surely been exposed to some contaminates, and I would have issues spawning to bulk, so I had planned to toss them. I couldn't pull myself to do it. I have never spawned to bulk, so I wasn't really prepared for making my first mono tub, anyway. So, I decided to shake jars, break them up, and put them in plastic tubs to form cakes.
In the pictures below, you can see that I made 4 small cakes and 1 large cake. The large cake was from one jar, and the small cakes were from the other jar.
This is a picture of the plastic trays that I used for a mold.

I made the large cake about two days before making the small cake.
The Large Cake: I broke up the grain, dumped it into the mold, put dry verm on the top, moistened it, and then put the lid on the tray.
The small cakes: I decided to try these a little differently. I filled the colonized grain jar with water and let it soak for 24 hours before breaking up the grain. After the 24 hour dunk, I broke up the grain, put them in the molds, put the verm layer on top, and covered with tin foil.
I let all 5 cakes sit for 2 days like this - to recolonize. After 2 days, I flipped them upside down and let them set another day and a half. All 5 cakes appeared to have recolonized.
I flipped them back right-side-up and removed the lid/foil. At this point, they are in the SGFC and still in the plastic trays.
I began the spray/fan ritual that I had done with PF cakes. After about 6 days, I had not seen much pinning progress from any of trays. I got a wild hair up my ass and decided to remove the newly formed cakes from the trays, roll in verm, and continue fruiting like a PF cake.
Almost immediately, pinning began. 4 days later, here we are.

So far, I have seen less activity in the large cake - which was not dunked prior to being placed in the tray
I'm not saying this is a good method- just sharing.
Edited by MarcusFreeman (12/01/13 01:22 AM)
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I am under the impression that this isn't a terribly interesting topic. Lol. I guess this will be the last update until the first harvest.
Cheers
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Betty Crocker is going to like these cakes  I skipped cakes but they're looking good!
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MarcusFreeman



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Re: Experimental WBS cakes [Re: SuperFly]
#19217561 - 12/02/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks!
Did you go straight to bulk?
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Yeah, I took my chances and they payed off. Looks like you're on your way to bulk next if you can get clean wbs cakes. As long as your substrate is properly pasteurized and the wbs is fully colonized you should have nothing to worry about.
Wait I forgot I did try and make some brf jars out of a couple pints jars when I started. By the time they colonized I had 2 flushes from my wbs spawned coir. Lol I ended up just planting them outside and they didn't fruit.
Edited by SuperFly (12/02/13 02:49 PM)
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Re: Experimental WBS cakes [Re: SuperFly]
#19217614 - 12/02/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I had plans of doing it with this WBS, but life has fun ways of changing plans. 
In hindsight, if I do try bulk, I don't know what the hell I'll do with the yield!?
There's no way I could eat a mono tub worth of mushrooms. Lol. Start giving them to relatives for Christmas? "Here ya go, grandma. I made these for you!"
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Lmao grandma would definately be surprised with that Christmas present.
I eat a lot of them like 3.5 minimum, and 8g maximum. I'm probably hungry, or just crazy lol
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Re: Experimental WBS cakes [Re: SuperFly]
#19217708 - 12/02/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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When I first started growing I did a couple wbs cakes. They colonized really fast and fruited really well. Here's some pics
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Re: Experimental WBS cakes [Re: SuperFly]
#19217942 - 12/02/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Stromrider said: When I first started growing I did a couple wbs cakes. They colonized really fast and fruited really well. Here's some pics

Nice grow! I read through that thread yesterday. When you made the cakes, you used verm in the cakes, right? How many flushes did you end up getting out of them?
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TheMrMACdaddy said: Lmao grandma would definately be surprised with that Christmas present.
I eat a lot of them like 3.5 minimum, and 8g maximum. I'm probably hungry, or just crazy lol 
Wowzers! 8g? I can only imagine.... 
The first time i ate shrooms, I ate 5g. It was one hell of a fun time. Although, I have had stronger, more meaningful journeys when I dont weigh them first. I feel that having expectations(based on weight) can sometimes limit the experience. I usually just gobble down 8-10 nice sized specimens and wait to see if I need more later.
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I only got 2 flushes out of them
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Re: Experimental WBS cakes [Re: Stromrider]
#19218051 - 12/02/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Stromrider said: I only got 2 flushes out of them
Two isn't too bad, it's better than 0!!
I forgot to add- these are clones from a mutant.
Figures. My dumb ass eats the pretty shrooms and clones the weirdos.
The large goofy looking mushroom(below) was the original. I pulled the stipe in two and got tissue from the inside near the bottom to put on agar. Success! No contaminates.
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Well I still maintain the stance that wbs cakes is the quickest way to go from spore syringe to mushrooms. It may not be the most efficient but it's fast and fairly easy
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Re: Experimental WBS cakes [Re: Stromrider]
#19218536 - 12/02/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Stromrider said: Well I still maintain the stance that wbs cakes is the quickest way to go from spore syringe to mushrooms. It may not be the most efficient but it's fast and fairly easy
I will agree that it was relatively easy. Not really fast for me, but that's because the jars were at my buddy's house for so long. If I had started the process as soon as the seed was colonized, I think it would have been a fast process.
I'm going to try it again, but use RGS instead. I am prepping the jars right now. I'm also going to try a funky lighting cycle, too - 6/6/6/6. I've used that cycle to trick corals into faster growth. I'd like to see what happens with mushrooms.
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Clone a mutant, get mutants!
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Came home today and harvested half of the first cake.

Here is what is left from the first cake.

I probably won't keep these genetics going, unless they are mad potent. They are ugly fruits.
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I've always liked mutants. That's the only thing I miss about growing cubes on brf cakes. I used the get all kinds of crazy mutants. I rarely see mutants on my bulk grows
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Re: Experimental WBS cakes [Re: Stromrider]
#19224129 - 12/03/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I should probably give bulk a try. Maybe in Jan or Feb.
Took a few pics with a microscope and my cellphone. Nearly sterile. I found a few spores hiding in there.
1000x
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Coming along nicely.

There weren't many mutants on the cake above. Still, hardly any spores. Most of the caps were probably dime - nickel sized. a few quarter sized and then some that were smaller.
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Edited by MarcusFreeman (12/10/13 03:33 AM)
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Re: Experimental WBS cakes [Re: Stromrider]
#19253846 - 12/10/13 03:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You were right about it being fast and easy. It's produced a good bit, too.
All the smaller cakes have gone through their first flush. They are bring dunked right now. The large cake that was not soaked prior is just now starting to really pin. The dunking really seemed to help the smaller cakes.
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What was your recipe for the cakes? im on my second grow and i was thinking id experiment with wbs by grounding it up in a coffee grinder, then mixing with verm and water.
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Re: Experimental WBS cakes [Re: Dboy]
#19265119 - 12/12/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Any update on potency?
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Dboy said: What was your recipe for the cakes? im on my second grow and i was thinking id experiment with wbs by grounding it up in a coffee grinder, then mixing with verm and water.
There was 0 recipe. 100% WBS for this experiment. I wanted to see what would happen. I've heard of people grinding up the wbs and mixing with verm... I didn't though. I did roll the cakes in verm after they were dunked and ready to fruit.
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deadjesusrodeo said: Any update on potency?
I made a weak tea out of about(I didnt weigh it, maybe less) 1 gram and some rieshi on wednesday. This was the first that I had tried this batch. The potency is good(I guess). The experience lasted from about 3:30 until 11:30. Is it normal for tea to last that long? I made a stronger tea on Monday out of some of my first grow and some wilds that I found this summer. That tea also lasted a lot longer than if I were to eat them fresh or dried.
I have given some to two of my buddies. They told me they would let me know how it goes.
They turn blue as fuck when I harvest them. That could also be because i am using scissors this time. Last grow, I did the twist and pull.
I probably won't eat any more until early jan.
I'll probably try my first mono in Jan.
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Quick update on the big cake. Finally starting to go.
Lesson learned. Dunk before fruiting.
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Lmao!!! Thought some of you might like this.
I put a moist paper towel in the jar that had a few pieces of colonized grain left in it. Now, the PT is fully colonized. after moving the pt around, I saw that it had pinned in the jar.
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Seems to have heavy alkaloid contents. That turned black/blue almost immediately.
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