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My new Trichocereus
    #19206245 - 11/29/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)


     


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Re: My new Bridgesii, Help needed [Re: Magicman69]
    #19206310 - 11/29/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Let it callou completely. Then stick in some soil and check weekly for roots. Then slowly acclimate to sun when possible  its cold right now.


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Re: My new Bridgesii, Help needed [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19206669 - 11/29/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

When it's completely calloused, it'll be firm to the touch and completely tan/white. Keep it out of the rain and avoid getting it too wet before roots form, or it may rot. Good luck! :thumbup:


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Re: My new Bridgesii [Re: Magicman69]
    #19207452 - 11/30/13 05:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

When you think it's calloused over, wait another week before planting.  Good luck!


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Re: My new Bridgesii [Re: Magicman69]
    #19208555 - 11/30/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

were the spines trimmed for shipping?

looks like a pachanoi to me.


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Re: My new Bridgesii [Re: Yrat]
    #19208574 - 11/30/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Even without spines you can really see the bridgesioid characteristics in the second pic.


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Re: My new Bridgesii [Re: Yrat]
    #19208651 - 11/30/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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were the spines trimmed for shipping?

looks like a pachanoi to me.



  Bridgesii correct? Whats the difference in appearance between a pachanoi and bridgesii? Is there a tell tale sign?


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Re: My new Bridgesii [Re: Magicman69]
    #19208746 - 11/30/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: My new Bridgesii [Re: Ultron]
    #19209271 - 11/30/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: My new Bridgesii [Re: Magicman69]
    #19209413 - 11/30/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

bridgesii usually have pretty gnarly spines, usually one long one per areole.  their areole spacing and rib structure is also distinctly different.  here is one of mine
and a random one off google

pachanoi on the other hand, small spines with its own distinct rib structure and areole spacing. 


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Re: My new Bridgesii [Re: Magicman69] * 1
    #19209443 - 11/30/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yrat said:
were the spines trimmed for shipping?

looks like a pachanoi to me.



  Bridgesii correct? Whats the difference in appearance between a pachanoi and bridgesii? Is there a tell tale sign?




Typically bridgesii have spine amount of 2-5 spines, they are spread relatively around without clear central or radial spines. Some bridgesii clones have shorter spines but usually they have long spines one or two, then short spines also. Pachanoi can have clearly visible radial spines and central spine(s) but bridgesii way more different with them.

Also bridgesii have typically less diameter compared to pachanoi cactus.

But simple rule to define a bridgesii is counting the spines and find out there are not typically clear radial spine formation.

Some trichocereus can have up to 8 radial spines with one or two central spines and they can be clearly seen as different spines, with bridgesii it's harder to separate radial and central spines and bridgesii spine formation doesn't usually have so "perfect" pattern compared to most trichocereus strains around.

Pachanoi can be spiny or spineless, but usually spines have some similar pattern from aerole to aerole and bridgesii lack of that pattern and definition of central spine from radial are not so easy to see and there are not so much identical spine formation at each aerole.

Otherwise, bridgesii can be very variable too, some have more spines but afaik all "real bridgesii" do not have a clear pattern of spine formation at aeroles.

I don't see your cactus are clear bridgesii ribs or aerole, it looks more san pedro, peruvian torch or just a hybrid. I see there are clear radial spines at aeroles what bridgesii usually don't have.

Can you see do your cutting have spines cut away?

Even they are cut away, I see some similar radial spine formation what most of my hybrid peruvian torch plants have. Bridgesii should not have those radials with so clear pattern.

I have not seen bridgesii like you have in picture, it can be a seed grown cactus where bridgesii is a parent cactus but I doubt it's not "real" t. bridgesii..

When you see bridgesii, almost any strain of it, you will find out what I mean about the spine formation of bridgesii. It's very good to see spine formation to confirm t. bridgesi. Even some bridgesii can have more spines per aerole than 1-5 but usually the pattern of spines how they form tell very much do you have a bridgesii or not.

There are photo taken from hybrids for compare. Spines are clearly not a like t. bridgesii. Radial and central spines can be clearly seen where they are, also these have just too much spines and same spine formation occurs constantly what bridgesii(afaik) doesn't usually do


These photos are from t. bridgesii monstrose but my point is to show the spines of bridgesii.. coloration and how unpredictable spines can come from aerole, usually side where is strongest light cactus have more bigger spines.


There is typical bridgesii spine formation, I have pics from bridgesii seedlings to show, they are not identical plants but easy to ID as bridgesii. They are etiolated a bit at the moment but I got good shots from spine formation and color of typical bridgesii


This is picture from spines of typical t. bridgesii:yesnod:


Here is a pic for compare. Your cactus have almost same style ribs like these. I am sure these "peruvian torch" plants are some sort of hybrids. Small number of spines are like bridgesii except coloration of them is not same and aerole size is too big and fits to cuzcoensis even these cactus plants don't have so large number of spines anyway.


And last pics from san pedro cactus. Non PC-Pachanoi clone. Last picture have two different trichocereus to compare spineless and spiny pachanoi.


Anyway, there are some pictures for compare to find out do you have a bridgesii, pachanoi or hybrid. I can't see from your photos are that cutting de-spined or not.:shrug:


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Re: My new Bridgesii [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19209562 - 11/30/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes when I look at the spines it appears they have been cut and were once longer. I'll take a couple more pics right now, now I'm interested in what I have.


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Re: My new Bridgesii [Re: Magicman69]
    #19209602 - 11/30/13 06:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you're mostly interested in growing it for consumption, whether its a bridgesii or a pachanoi won't matter as much as how strong that specific cutting is. Looking at the picture, it does look like some spines have been cut, but I'm not sure what species it is. It could also be a Trichocereus hybrid, which would make a specific ID impossible. The main things that matter are that the cactus looks nice when it grows, and if you're into it, gives you nice effects when eaten.


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Re: My new Bridgesii [Re: Uneak]
    #19209624 - 11/30/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah it's a pretty tip cutting, I'm a happy camper no matter what it is. So the consensus is a hybrid of some sorts?


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Re: My new Bridgesii [Re: Magicman69]
    #19211094 - 12/01/13 02:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah it's a pretty tip cutting, I'm a happy camper no matter what it is. So the consensus is a hybrid of some sorts?




I'd say you can maybe have some kind of peruvian torch cactus with spines cut off. Just my guess :strokebeard:

Plant your cutting, grow it and later on you will see what kind of spines cactus do so possible ID can be easier.


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Re: My new Bridgesii [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19211106 - 12/01/13 02:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The spines have just been cut short. I have a couple bridgesii's that look very similar to this one. Once it puts out some roots and start throwing out spines it will be very easy to identify.


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Re: My new Bridgesii [Re: Couperj]
    #19211448 - 12/01/13 07:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

looks a bit like the 'Trichocereus knuthianus' clone from down under?


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Re: My new Bridgesii [Re: spined]
    #19213724 - 12/01/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Man I hate these threads.....

It's a bridgesii with cut spines ffs


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Re: My new Bridgesii [Re: karode13]
    #19214305 - 12/01/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I inspect pics again and find out aeroles are similar to bridgesii pic I post up there.

My guess about some sort of peruvian torch was because I have seen wavy and similar deep rib torches lots but I don't see the spines so I was not declare it to anything..

This thread was get little bit too far.. :lol:
Thread starter ask about callous of cutting and most posts are guessing what trichocereus there are.. hah, back to the original then: you can wait week or two more if you are not sure of proper callous.

If you don't have any rush with planting the cactus, get clay pot what goes narrow to bottom and it "stop" the cactus before callous touch the bottom of pot. Therefor you have a empty, dark and airy space between callous and pot. You can forget it this way and checking roots are very easy. I do this always to bigger size cuttings, smaller cuttings I just plant to normal soil. Both ways, you can give small amount of moisture to base of cutting to "stimulate" rooting.

Sooner or later no matter where you keep your cactus it will root and I think the trick of empty pot tek is dark/shady space at bottom of cactus. It's typical to trichocereus it forms root buds sometimes to shade or dark side. At windowsill most cacti simply push out roots from side where is no light.

I don't say rooting cactus to empty pot is best tek but if you don't have any rush with planting the cutting and you want avoid possible punctures to callous what possible leads to molding cause water inside the cactus leak out and moist the soil.
This happens to me when I try root +1,5kg weight san pedro to soil and piece of pumicide rock has punctured the callous and I find it too late and whole callous and rooting process need to start from beginning.

After that accident happens with heavy cutting I start to root heavy weight or bigger and older cuttings to small size narrowing clay pots and forget them for several weeks somewhere shade. With this tek  all pressure from weight of cutting goes to ribs touching the narrow pot and actually callous area doesn't have any pressure at all. Later on when I inspect the cutting(s) and I spot a root buds from cutting base, I plant cactus to new bigger pot with moist soil and let it grow proper roots.


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Re: My new Bridgesii [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19240777 - 12/07/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Check out this new peruvian that just arrived. It's so frickin fat! About 13' tall and 3 to 4 inches thick. You can see how big it is compared to the 1.5 to 2'' inch thick 11 inches tall bridgesii next to it. I couldn't be more happy :smile: The best part is that this big boy was already throwing roots. I'll give it a few weeks before starting to very lightly watering it.


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