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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Crystal G]
    #19208688 - 11/30/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Crystal G said:
Don't thank Obama. Thank the Republicans, for forcing him to agree to this mandated insurance BS. Obama originally was campaigning for socialized medicine, not universal health insurance.



This is complete bullshit.  The Republicans had absolutely nothing to say about it and not one of them voted for it.  I don't think Obama even read it before he signed it.  I don't think Pelosi and Reid did either.  But I bet Paul Ryan did.

This clusterfuck is 100% on the Dems.  100%




Well, NPR said it was because the Republicans were refusing to pass the socialized medicine bill until the mandate was changed to universal health insurance. Because many members of the Republican party were lobbying and being funded by insurance companies. That was the deal they made. Remember, Obama originally wanted universal healthcare, not universal insurance?

Also, Crystal G for the Party On Party.




NPR is a joke, they are stupid lying fuck apologists for any socialist policy.  Not one Republican voted for this bill.  It still passed.  But that isn't what squelched universal government health care.  Not enough Dems would support it.  They knew they would lose their jobs.  Do you not think there were people lobbying in favor of government health care?  Are lobbyists only evil when they oppose you?

I am going to repeat this.  Not one single Republican voted for this.  They had NOTHING to do with it.  It is all on the Dems.

I'm not going to tell you to stop listening to NPR.  I'm telling you stop believing NPR


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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Juicin]
    #19208695 - 11/30/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Juicin said:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/heres-a-map-of-the-countries-that-provide-universal-health-care-americas-still-not-on-it/259153/

Here is one to remind you that you're just some dude on a mushroom forum*, and the whole developed world has decided universal healthcare is the only civilized option. And the most efficient.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jun/30/healthcare-spending-world-country

Notice how we spend 17 percent of GDP while most countries don't break 10? And we certainly aren't any healthier. So in what fantasy world do you think you're convincing anyone you know better than the people who use a system who get better results for cheaper.

Delusional at best




I don't care what the morons do.  Their health care is rationed, their citizens go to other countries for care if they can afford it, and they are going bankrupt.

Do you know what the most efficient health care is?  Kill everybody when they stop working.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19208715 - 11/30/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yea you don't care that they're just as healthy and spent about half what we do while giving the poor healthcare

Not to mention you can always just pay for medical care or private insurance, it's not "rationed". You're so wrong on this issue

We already buy healthcare collectively, that's why we spend 17.5 percent of our fucking GDP on it.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19208731 - 11/30/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:

You have it through your company but it will disappear next year because it doesn't comply with the Obamacare requirements and it only still exists because the dictator for life extended the deadline for companies.  Enjoy your looming buttfuck.




my benefits start in 2014 and they conform with ACA.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: millzy]
    #19208750 - 11/30/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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but if me paying a little more helps someone else live better then i'm okay with that.





i agree.  now we wait and see if that part is true.

nothing else has been so far.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Juicin]
    #19208783 - 11/30/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Juicin said:
Yea you don't care that they're just as healthy and spent about half what we do while giving the poor healthcare




We have had a program called Medicaid for almost 50 years that pays for the poor.  Ever heard about it?  And no, their health care is not as good.
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Not to mention you can always just pay for medical care or private insurance, it's not "rationed". You're so wrong on this issue




I don't believe that is true in Canada but so what?  You havceto pay for the shit and then you can pay for more?  Fuck that.
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We already buy healthcare collectively, that's why we spend 17.5 percent of our fucking GDP on it.




So you concede that collectively buying health care is what is driving up the price.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: millzy]
    #19208794 - 11/30/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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millzy said:
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zappaisgod said:

You have it through your company but it will disappear next year because it doesn't comply with the Obamacare requirements and it only still exists because the dictator for life extended the deadline for companies.  Enjoy your looming buttfuck.




my benefits start in 2014 and they conform with ACA.




Are you sure?  Because it is expected that around 90 million people with employer health care are going to get notices that their plan is gone.  Poof.  Are you glad your heath plan will include lactation services?


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: k00laid]
    #19208806 - 11/30/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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k00laid said:
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millzy said:
but if me paying a little more helps someone else live better then i'm okay with that.





i agree.  now we wait and see if that part is true.

nothing else has been so far.




I sincerely doubt that it will be millzy paying a little more.  It is going to mean real taxpayers and independent people paying a lot more.  Also young people are getting completely ripped off, especially young single males for whom this is a complete cornhole.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19208862 - 11/30/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19208899 - 11/30/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's good enough for senators and congressman

It's good enough for you

The part of Medicare that makes it special is that they have miniscule administration costs. As opposed to about a 20% when you're talking about private insurance.

Again, you're wrong. And your forced ignorance is showing.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Juicin]
    #19208938 - 11/30/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm a single white male. What does obamacare mean for me? I want explanations right now.


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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Juicin]
    #19208942 - 11/30/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Juicin said:
It's good enough for senators and congressman

It's good enough for you




I don't want to pay for it and I don't want to pay for theirs.
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The part of Medicare that makes it special is that they have miniscule administration costs. As opposed to about a 20% when you're talking about private insurance.




http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/06/30/the-myth-of-medicares-low-administrative-costs/

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A more accurate measure of overhead would therefore be the administrative costs per patient, rather than per dollar of medical expenses. And by that measure, even with all the administrative advantages Medicare has over private coverage, the program’s administrative costs are actually significantly higher than those of private insurers. In 2005, for example, Robert Book has shown that private insurers spent $453 per beneficiary on administrative costs, compared to $509 for Medicare. (Indeed, Robert has written the definitive paper on this subject, from which the above figure is taken.)

Remember these points the next time someone tries to tell you that Medicare is “more efficient” than private insurance.

UPDATE 1: Tim Worstall points out in the comments that we should also count the deadweight costs of tax collection as part of Medicare’s administrative costs (say, 20% of the amount collected).

UPDATE 2: Benjamin Zycher has also written extensively about Medicare’s administrative costs, as exemplified by this paper for the Manhattan Institute


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In what dream land did you think a federal bureaucracy would be more efficient than a private one?
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Again, you're wrong. And your forced ignorance is showing.




You're willful ignorance in the service of procuring something you won't be paying for is disgusting.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Mescalean]
    #19208943 - 11/30/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Mescalean said:
I'm a single white male. What does obamacare mean for me? I want explanations right now.



You gonna get raped.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19208959 - 11/30/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Which is why I didn't put a number on it.

No matter how you twist the numbers Medicare administration is less expensive. And the Forbes article is just picking numbers out of the air. They are using numbers haphazardly to assign medicare a cost that it doesn't have.

Is it more than the old liberal line on it? Of course. Is it mroe than private insurance? Of course not

And no one really knows how much it costs. But trying to assign costs to it that aren't there doesn't make your point. You can't just pick a % that goes to the administration out of thin air. Which is why I didn't give you a number for the administration costs to medicare.

Article is disingenuous at best.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Juicin]
    #19208983 - 11/30/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Juicin said:
Which is why I didn't put a number on it.

No matter how you twist the numbers Medicare administration is less expensive. And the Forbes article is just picking numbers out of the air. They are using numbers haphazardly to assign medicare a cost that it doesn't have.

Is it more than the old liberal line on it? Of course. Is it mroe than private insurance? Of course not




Fact not in evidence
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And no one really knows how much it costs. But trying to assign costs to it that aren't there doesn't make your point. You can't just pick a % that goes to the administration out of thin air. Which is why I didn't give you a number for the administration costs to medicare.

Article is disingenuous at best.




You're disingenuous at best.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19208985 - 11/30/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ok then I would come back and say. Ok let's get rid of medicare. See how much those costs go down. That's the percentage we'll give it.

Sure as shit ain't gonna go down 20%.

An article full of supposition isn't fact. lol


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Juicin]
    #19208998 - 11/30/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Juicin said:
Ok then I would come back and say. Ok let's get rid of medicare. See how much those costs go down. That's the percentage we'll give it.




MedicAid is the program for the poor.  MediCare is the program that people have paid into for their whole lives that they get to use and usually add extra coverage when they get old
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Sure as shit ain't gonna go down 20%.




Fact not in evidence
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An article full of supposition isn't fact. lol




A post full of supposition isn't a fact


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OfflineMescalean
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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19209001 - 11/30/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Mescalean said:
I'm a single white male. What does obamacare mean for me? I want explanations right now.



You gonna get raped.




So let me get this straight, I pay for obamacare, get financially raped. I don't sign up I get financially raped?! Who do I have to thank for such a deal?


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Mescalean] * 2
    #19209019 - 11/30/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Mescalean said:
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zappaisgod said:
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Mescalean said:
I'm a single white male. What does obamacare mean for me? I want explanations right now.



You gonna get raped.




So let me get this straight, I pay for obamacare, get financially raped. I don't sign up I get financially raped?! Who do I have to thank for such a deal?



Juicin


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19209025 - 11/30/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks juicin, thanks crystal, thanks obama, thanks Hilary you fucking whale and thanks any other libtards I forgot to mention.


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