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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: pawnzy]
    #20478349 - 08/26/14 07:04 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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They say you dont need foil if you use sfd's.. Why that is i havent a clue




Because the SFDs are supposed to be water resistant....but the one time I PCed jars without foil using SFDs, the moisture content seemed to be way off.  So I just stick with foil, not expensive enough to deter me from using it as a precaution.


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: MrGiraffe]
    #20478375 - 08/26/14 07:16 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

No, but its kinda messy , time consuming and yes it does have a cost.
Im gonna try and think of a way to make a reusable PC jar cover


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: MrGiraffe]
    #20478427 - 08/26/14 07:44 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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They say you dont need foil if you use sfd's.. Why that is i havent a clue




Because the SFDs are supposed to be water resistant....but the one time I PCed jars without foil using SFDs, the moisture content seemed to be way off.  So I just stick with foil, not expensive enough to deter me from using it as a precaution.



I definitely had water get through my lids from not using foil with sfds. Idk why they would mostly work but 1-3 jars per pc would end up with water on the bottom and a burst grain mess. Hasn't happened since i started foiling the lids :shrug:


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: pawnzy]
    #20478504 - 08/26/14 08:26 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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No, but its kinda messy , time consuming and yes it does have a cost.
Im gonna try and think of a way to make a reusable PC jar cover




http://www.samsclub.com/sams/search/searchResults.jsp?searchCategoryId=1444&searchTerm=aluminum+foil&tireSearch=null&brand=null&servDesc=null&rootDimension=1001444%204294940021&altQuery=null&offset=1&viewStyle=null&noOfRecordsPerPage=12&sortKey=p_retail_sort&sortOrder=0&selectedSort=Price%20Low%20to%20High&_requestid=160585

$15 for a 500' roll, $20 500' for a heavy duty roll.  Also have pre cut sheets 500ct for about $8 if by messy you mean you have to take the time to tear off the foil, and the sizes are inconsistent.  The pennies per run it costs you in foil is a drop in the bucket compared to the wasted grain, time, and energy spent PCing a wasted batch of soggy grains.
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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: MrGiraffe]
    #20478628 - 08/26/14 09:31 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Agreed,  foil is so cheap that to not use it on the premise that your saving a few pennies is laughable. Especially for grains. I did one run without foil and my SFD's on my grain jars still got soaked. Not worth it.


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #20478702 - 08/26/14 10:03 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Now it seems worth investigating why some people experience thrown water content when not using foil.

Because in addition to myself I know lots of growers, including most (if not all) the TCs, that don't bother to cover their filters with foil and obviously have no problems...
and I'm one of a number of growers that use "open" containers, without a filter or anything, that still doesn't have problems with the water content.  My containers are effectively entirely open to the cooker's steam but I have never had an issue.


For they who have water problems when not covering, what could be different about their cooking process that gives them a different experience?

There definitely has to be SOMETHING. Such a different experience has to have a different cause.


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: Violet]
    #20478723 - 08/26/14 10:14 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I go lid with hole, SFD, ring.  The one time I didn't use foil, I think I may have used the plastic lids with a GE hole in the center and the filter under the lid.  Never did care much for hacking up perfectly good SFDs.  Either way, I definitely remember a wet filter that had soaked up water not repelled it as well as water pooling in the bottom of the jars.  Maybe cheaper quality SFDs :shrug:.


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: Violet]
    #20478738 - 08/26/14 10:17 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

:hi:
Some interesting points brought up


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: cronicr]
    #20479589 - 08/26/14 02:29 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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For they who have water problems when not covering, what could be different about their cooking process that gives them a different experience?



SFD doesn't refer to a specific material. They could be different filters.


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: Kizzle]
    #20480168 - 08/26/14 04:46 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

yes not all SFD are made equal. Some of them are hydrophobic some are not. Some are made from glass fibre some are made from cellulose.


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: Violet]
    #20481509 - 08/26/14 09:17 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Really, I don't recall having any problems, except the consistency was to watery, so Violets recommended amount of grain water must be a little high, or the amount of agar low, unless I fucked it up somehow, but it has came out thin consistency everytime, I think I have only done it twice thought.


I do everything as you say Violet, and it has ended up this way everytime, still workable(It works great, except it not being stiff enough),  and the agar I use does fine with MYA, w/o a boil.

BUT, like I said, I have only done it twice I think, with the screwtop lids.

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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #20483348 - 08/27/14 09:40 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Help guys..

I just opened up my PC, eager to start my first agar work, and found my bowls upside down, sideways, some filled up with water almost completely, some solidified sideways, etc..

How do you guys keep these bowls from not bobbing around in the boiling water while PC'ing? I have the large Presto PC I use for quart jars and it seems like it's way to big for 8 of these little bowls.

I'm gonna go try this again and this time throw some quart jars on them. What do you guys do?..


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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: kmetric]
    #20483398 - 08/27/14 09:52 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Elevate the rack on jar rings to keep the miniglads up and out of the water.


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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: kmetric]
    #20483470 - 08/27/14 10:14 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:

Thanks for the quick response.


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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: kmetric]
    #20483630 - 08/27/14 11:16 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Or don't put so much water just enough to barely touch the bottom of your containers


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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: kmetric]
    #20483677 - 08/27/14 11:31 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks..feeling like a little bit of an idiot that I didn't realize that myself the first time.

Also, a few of my Ziplock brand (don't think the brand matters) bowls were deformed and the lid wouldn't snap on, it seems the lid on a few of them and the bowl itself became warped. I had to throw a few out..

Anyone have this problem? I don't release the pressure when it's done PC'ing, I wait it out overnight, but maybe I brought it up to pressure too quickly?


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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: kmetric]
    #20483715 - 08/27/14 11:41 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

You might not have enough gas exchange creating a vacuum and warping your dishes


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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: aykaye47]
    #20484226 - 08/27/14 01:40 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I had both one of my mini rounds and one of my ziplock rounds get deformed. IDK WHY either! I'm using sfd's over a 1/4 in hole  Maybe I stacked too many on top of each other while pcing cuz ithink they were both from the bottom row of the pc. Tho i have stacked 25 in my 23 qt pc and havn't had a problem since :shrug: . I'm thinking my arangemkent in the pc may have been the problem. I think the lid of the pc pushed down on the top of the rounds and compressed the bottom ones. But like i said iv'e done multiple rounds since with these ziploc rounds and no problem.
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You might not have enough gas exchange creating a vacuum and warping your dishes



this is the only other thing i can think would be causing that. but not in my case.


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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: tombosley8]
    #20484530 - 08/27/14 02:38 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Put an extra set of rings down in the bottom and be sure the rounds are completely elevated out of the water and bring the pressure up slower.


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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #20484544 - 08/27/14 02:43 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup: Will do guys, think I brought the pressure up too quick. I've got both polyfilled and micropore taped holes (not together lol), around 1/4" or so wide, so I don't think I had a vacuum issue. Thanks


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