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Josex
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: Josex]
#24692476 - 10/07/17 09:18 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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I confess I had this one nagging thing in the back of my head while all this profound "wait vs not wait" talk was unfolding: How in the actual hell can someone manage to load the plates in the pc without them being already solid? I mean, you gotta pour, you gotta put the lids on, paper towels and then wrap them in foil. Then throw some hot water in the pc and put someting to raise the rack above the water.
Now if you do all that and the agar is still liquid you either know you fucked up or you've got some serious skills and need for speed.
Edited by Josex (10/07/17 09:28 PM)
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: Josex]
#24692661 - 10/07/17 10:39 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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every time I have done plasty plates they're still liquid by the time I've got them in the PC.
pour hot water in PC and turn stove on. have your agar already boiling pour into jars snap tops on foil them into pc put the lid on. IMO it would be hard to get them to solidify before getting in the PC they're still burning hot
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Depends on how thick or thin you pour the plates  I use Munch's recipe, or something close to it, and with 6 plates it takes awhile, but with 10 it solidifies pretty fast
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: potnug]
#24693114 - 10/08/17 03:26 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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I make 4x Pasty's recipe and it fills 18 containers (of the ones I use) with 3tbsp each. By the time my pc is boiling I've covered them in foil (some of my containers still have holes in the lid) and loaded them. WTF would I wait for it to cool 'just to be sure' when this is something I'm doing with my eyes closed for how dead simple it is? Not to mention the fact that some days I'll do back to back batches and in that case who has time to sit and watch their agar solidify? Condensation is just like shit, it happens!
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: Steevo]
#24693233 - 10/08/17 06:38 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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How thick are you guys pouring your agar? It will also depend on how many plates you do per batch. I haven't done agar in mini rounds in months, but I remember by the time I poured the last one lots of them were solid already, and of course they were all solid by the time I wrapped them.
The recommendation about waiting some minutes for the agar to solidify was obviously not directed at people who already have experience with this but at the ones that are starting. I wrote some examples a few posts back why a beginner should wait for the agar to cool, but as with every piece of info/advice on this forum, you can either take it or scrap it, no biggie
Edited by Josex (10/08/17 06:48 AM)
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: Josex]
#24693780 - 10/08/17 11:35 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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All of my fucking mini rounds are fucked from 1 pc run. Put em in the fridge and now every lid is too big for the container. Why the fuck did they warp so bad... I didn't do anything wrong, The pressure, time, and tek were all fine.
This seriously blows. 32 plates ruined.
Has this happened to anyone else because it's really turning me off to agar?
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tryptkaloids said: it also helps with condensation
this^^^^^^^^^ helped me a lot with my condensation and pooling problems.
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: waxbrain]
#24693816 - 10/08/17 11:45 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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waxbrain said: All of my fucking mini rounds are fucked from 1 pc run. Put em in the fridge and now every lid is too big for the container. Why the fuck did they warp so bad... I didn't do anything wrong, The pressure, time, and tek were all fine.
This seriously blows. 32 plates ruined.
Has this happened to anyone else because it's really turning me off to agar?
glad mini rounds will warp slightly from pcing but not enough to let contams in.
It actually makes them a lot easier to work with when the lids are loose like that.
I really enjoy unmodded plastic screw caps and wide mouth 1/2 pint glass jars for no pour agar if your looking for an alternative.
Just make sure to get ball brand plastic lids.
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Edited by tombosley8 (10/08/17 11:47 AM)
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: Steevo]
#24693830 - 10/08/17 11:50 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Steevo said: I make 4x Pasty's recipe and it fills 18 containers (of the ones I use) with 3tbsp each. By the time my pc is boiling I've covered them in foil (some of my containers still have holes in the lid) and loaded them. WTF would I wait for it to cool 'just to be sure' when this is something I'm doing with my eyes closed for how dead simple it is? Not to mention the fact that some days I'll do back to back batches and in that case who has time to sit and watch their agar solidify? Condensation is just like shit, it happens!
also when the agar is cooled and solid the plates are much easier to wrap in foil and place into pc without worrying about splashing the agar up the sides and onto the lid.
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yea, they shouldn't snap tight, that creates air currents. it's something you will learn to love. ignore it or use a different agar method.
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: waxbrain]
#24693849 - 10/08/17 11:56 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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waxbrain said: Has this happened to anyone else because it's really turning me off to agar?
Let's break this down a little... whether or not it's happened to anyone else isn't gonna turn you off of agar any less, but you also shouldn't be turned off of agar because of what's happening in a somewhat isolated incident either. So... if these mini rounds aren't working for you, you have a few options. I personally recommend:

But you can use.. quite a few different things. There's surely a thread on it somewhere.
That's assuming you want to go the easy/no-pour agar route, that is.
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Okay, that just didn't make sense to me because of how easy other medias get contaminated.
Thanks.
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: waxbrain]
#24693868 - 10/08/17 12:02 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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waxbrain said: All of my fucking mini rounds are fucked from 1 pc run.
sometimes that happens. its great though! i prefer the warped tops. use a piece of tape to keep it secure. but they are really easy to 'single hand open' and work with in the sab.
your problem is my desire.
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: Inocuole]
#24693872 - 10/08/17 12:04 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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waxbrain said: Has this happened to anyone else because it's really turning me off to agar?
Let's break this down a little... whether or not it's happened to anyone else isn't gonna turn you off of agar any less, but you also shouldn't be turned off of agar because of what's happening in a somewhat isolated incident either. So... if these mini rounds aren't working for you, you have a few options. I personally recommend:

But you can use.. quite a few different things. There's surely a thread on it somewhere.
That's assuming you want to go the easy/no-pour agar route, that is.

those are the ones i think i use.
Are they 1/2 pints?
I don't like the regular mouth 4oz ones but I love the widemouth 1/2 pints.

Edited by tombosley8 (10/08/17 12:07 PM)
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: waxbrain]
#24693877 - 10/08/17 12:05 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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everything gets contaminated at the same rate, granted certain contams like different things more or less. but the vectors are all still the same. agar just lets you make sure your spores are clean. he wasn't talking about different media he was talking about different containers
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you have a flowhood like that and you do no pour mason jars?

id be pouring and bagging all day! (clean that bong too)
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: mushboy]
#24693890 - 10/08/17 12:10 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Where do you guys get those plastic containers you showed? Is there a vendor or just anywhere? I think I've seen something similar at Walmart but last time I went to get quart jars they didn't have anything plastic.
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: mushboy]
#24693901 - 10/08/17 12:13 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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pouring is a pain in the ass and another vector. being able to pour in open air and not needing to wrap are major advantages imo. Petris take a lot more care and are much more technical imo. Only thing I like about petris is they are smaller so you can fit more into a small space. and viewing pleasures but I can see the cultures well enough through the glass jars.
Also I love the unmodded plastic lids as they don't need foil for pcing. Also I love how the jars stack up much easier than mini rounds.
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: waxbrain]
#24693909 - 10/08/17 12:16 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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waxbrain said: Where do you guys get those plastic containers you showed? Is there a vendor or just anywhere? I think I've seen something similar at Walmart but last time I went to get quart jars they didn't have anything plastic.
Those are glass and clearly stated if you read my post.
They do sell them at walmart but kind of spotty. they only sell them in stores not online. They come in a case of 12 jars for $9 and are kerr brand. 1/2 pint wide mouth.
And the Ball Brand plastic lids.
I believe ace and tru value sell them as well but slightly pricier.
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Just the lids are plastic. They're just half pint wide mouth jars. Quarter pint regular mouth work too. They're unscrewed a quarter turn or so during the PC cycle then tightened (only another quarter turn the other way, don't overtighten) when removing. They don't warp quite as bad, though the threads can get a little weird when hot, so you don't want it on too tight.
Edited by Inocuole (10/08/17 01:02 PM)
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