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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: haiku]
    #24488310 - 07/16/17 08:24 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

either should work. if you are using your pc properly (which previous link discribes) then it won't matter. both are overkill which isn't a bad thing. generally outlined times are from when pressure is reached to when stove is turned off


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: haiku]
    #24488337 - 07/16/17 08:39 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Keep an eye on your pc and make sure you aren't running it dry. All you have to do is get it up to pressure 15psi and then run it for 45 more minutes.  Are you putting your jars directly on the bottom of your pc or separating them with a trivet? I have two trivets and usually fill my pc till the water just barely runs over the first trivet. Then I fill a couple of coffee mugs halfway with water and set them on top. You could use jars instead of coffee mugs with some water in them. Then put the second trivet on top of that and stack your plates. I like this method because it keeps the tape from getting soaked. I'm sure if you don't have trivets for your cooker you could find some online.I like the flat trivets with the holes. https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=pressure+cooker+trivet


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: TheBlackCat]
    #24488373 - 07/16/17 08:58 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

I have one trivet that came with my cooker. I have a presto 23 quart. Do you think it would be worth buying a second one?

I didn't use anything besides a trivet when I tried this tek. I'm sure my problem was due to too much water. My plates were floating :facepalm:

Also, do you know what could have caused my pc to stain?


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: haiku]
    #24488381 - 07/16/17 09:03 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

I have no idea WTF you were doing to get it that color but try putting a tablespoon of vinegar in every time you PC. It keeps everything shiny. I don't know if it would be worth it to you but it was worth it to me. I like the convenience of owning two and the ease of stacking.


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: TheBlackCat]
    #24488394 - 07/16/17 09:12 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

I think I'll buy another. Sounds worth the money.

This cleared a lot up for me. Thank you for the help!


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: haiku]
    #24488705 - 07/17/17 12:36 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

1/2 pint jars work great for keeping pasty plates out of water. In my 16 quart presto I can stack the pasty plates 2 high off the trivet.

If you wanted to do a huge batch 3 pasty plates high, use 3 jar rings under the aluminum covered trivet. The aluminum foil reduces the amount of boiling water splashing on your pasty plates.

Did you add enough water? I hope you didn't boil your pressure cooker dry. If you bought agar that is reddish you could have had some agar spill out of the container to create that reddish color at the bottom of your pc.


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: JHOVA]
    #24488736 - 07/17/17 01:31 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

He just straight up charred his cooker. Boil some water and vinegar for awhile and give it a scrub.


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: TheBlackCat]
    #24488819 - 07/17/17 03:13 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

You need to suspend the plates over the bottom with a trivet,
. I use a vegetable steamer and put the trivet on top of that and the plates on top, that way i can be sure to add ENOUGH water so it does not evaporate and burn during PC , Always watch(listen to) your PC. My PC was a little off and i had to add weight to the pressure control weight, I carefully measured it out so I just add 2 psi so when it comes up to pressure the pressure release does not spray steam out so violently and waste so much water. Don't do that unless you have more PC experience but I took the weight of the pressure control weight divided it by 15 multiplied that by two, that is how much weight I had to add.  Anyway it sounds like your problem is you put the plates directly on the bottom of the PC or you did not have enough water, that is a dangerous thing but we all made that mistake once. Make sure to suspend your plates OVER the water and you have plenty of water to steam.


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: Lennybernadino]
    #24488909 - 07/17/17 05:36 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

I use a layer of jar rings, a sheet of tin foil and more jar rings then the trivet. I fill the water level to just touching the plates and start the pc. Once it hits 15psi I turn down my heat so that its still at 15 but not going full out on the heat or else mine will just boil dry


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: Steevo]
    #24489194 - 07/17/17 10:24 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

I think I will try doing a layer of jar lids on the bottom then one quart jars on top of the lids and the trivet over the jars then stack my plates. Maybe I will use some aluminum foil to stop the water from splashing. I will fill with water just enough so that it covers the jar lids.


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: haiku]
    #24489266 - 07/17/17 11:13 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Is it safe to use another means of raising pasty plates off the bottom of pressure cooker? I have a metal cake tin that raises about 3 inches off the bottom is this ok?

Or if not I have complete jar lids (not rings) ?


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: fir3fly86]
    #24489320 - 07/17/17 11:36 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

I mean you could go through all that or just get the extra trivet plate. Trust me it's so much easier.


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: fir3fly86]
    #24489767 - 07/17/17 04:09 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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Is it safe to use another means of raising pasty plates off the bottom of pressure cooker? I have a metal cake tin that raises about 3 inches off the bottom is this ok?

Or if not I have complete jar lids (not rings) ?



the only thing is bubbles from the boiling water will shake up the pan unless there's somewhere for the air to escape


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #24490167 - 07/17/17 07:37 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Puncture a bunch of holes in the pan and it might be ok. Your probably just better off investing in a trivet.  :whathesaid:


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: TheBlackCat]
    #24490189 - 07/17/17 07:46 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

I used a popcorn lid without holes for the longest time, it works fine if you have enough weight on it but pasty plates get shaken a bit


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: tryptkaloids] * 1
    #24501819 - 07/22/17 11:11 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Love this tek, really been helping me, lost a couple of brf jars to contamination from ms inoculation. Been doing grains now, but I really wish I would have learned agar first, would have saved me a lot of trouble. Got 8 plates in the PC now to do some transfers in the morning.
I'll tell you what though,.. Learning agar has helped me make more spawn than I know what to do with :eek: Haha


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: DA Double G]
    #24509942 - 07/26/17 04:53 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Tried out this tek on the weekend. I'm using Ziploc Extra Small Squares instead of glad mini rounds though. Big problem I'm having is I can barely see into the things! I'll never be able to see whats growing on them without opening them up first. Is that ok to do? Its my first time working with agar.


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: SuicideCommando]
    #24509962 - 07/26/17 05:02 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

You cannot open them in open air.  Basically just look at the plates from the outside, make your best judgement about what you want to do with them, then inspect them in the still air box as you are about to execute whatever you planned on.  If you see something that looks concerning that you couldn't before, change your plan.  For this reason it is best to have culture duplicates or triplicates.

Sometimes hitting it from above or below with a good flashlight will give you some insight into the structure.


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: SuicideCommando]
    #24511336 - 07/27/17 09:07 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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Tried out this tek on the weekend. I'm using Ziploc Extra Small Squares instead of glad mini rounds though. Big problem I'm having is I can barely see into the things! I'll never be able to see whats growing on them without opening them up first. Is that ok to do? Its my first time working with agar.




I've been using those too and they are a bitch to see through. Pretty small surface area. I recently switched to doing some wide mouth 1/2 pint glass jars as well using the same procedure. Larger area and you can see them a lot better


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Re: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24511470 - 07/27/17 10:29 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

quick question, i have had some success with these pasty plates, just started out this month & have around 50 plates going with only one being bacterial as fuck so far.

most of mine are done with plastic jello shot size containers from dollar tree... 2 kinds sold there the real clear lidded one is no good, get the one with semi clear lid.. dollar for ten.

done mostly flakes, agar powder , and a drop of karo. Today I got a pound of briess golden light dry malt extract, what amounts should i use for a half cup of water? I have been alternating between 2.5 grams agar and 2 (munch's softer recipe).

I guess im just replacing the karo but are they equivalent? do i even need potato flakes now? just wondering about the lme, I want to make it kind of weak for my t3 plates im about to do in the next day or so.

also if i used grain water from my oats would i need any lme? thank you all


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