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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: eve69]
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what is there to get according to you ??
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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: absols]
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oriented & it's always different.
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redgreenvines said: oriented & it's always different.
can you expand on that.. I don't see what it means ??
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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: absols]
#19208491 - 11/30/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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according to me what there is to get is to get oriented. maybe I should say re-oriented. the bottom falls out of your context every three seconds more or less, but if you are swinging from branch to branch as per habit, they you may not particularly notice that you are not on solid footing. but if you try to keep still, and are in a good situation (you could say free - unmolested - unchained) then very soon you will be disconnected - from reacting to prompts, and so what is left is to re-orient or re-awaken to what is and who you are and then the footing is gone again...
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you think that else is to reorient you ... this is your positive sense in knowing else being existing as if you cant enjoy existing but through inheriting something like some powers could clarify it for you
to me it is wrong because it is not the truth
you are only of what you realize now .. and you cant realize anything but through else existence recognition first, it is the way to be real objectively, out of our absolute isolation as being else present free will, once real freedom out of it is relative always, then it is never about you nor yourself but always about facts you can see and prove objectively
a lot of people are in love with powers .. I can understand that
because we are inherently so always out of knowing being ways lesser then infinite facts.. because we came out later out of nothing as free wills.. and because what is first is always now more ..
but also because we are not able of any alone we need support constantly
so that make us not superior in truth nor in being.. that is why I guess a lot would prefer to get confused with maximum powers as to compensate the lack of being true
I know how I am objective because I am very honest actively too
so I know how powers is always evil abuse and how the one you mean to direct you, is the one that mean to take all from you
anyway, we cant agree because I can see that you love the idea of god ..
and when it is a will then it is free so out of all logics
like even to me, when I hate everything I invent something else only for me careless about everything then ... so I know when there is no words left to say to another
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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: absols]
#19210001 - 11/30/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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hey absols, if you are writing that message to me, you are way off base. what language are you translating from anyway?
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redgreenvines said: according to me what there is to get is to get oriented. maybe I should say re-oriented. the bottom falls out of your context every three seconds more or less, but if you are swinging from branch to branch as per habit, they you may not particularly notice that you are not on solid footing. but if you try to keep still, and are in a good situation (you could say free - unmolested - unchained) then very soon you will be disconnected - from reacting to prompts, and so what is left is to re-orient or re-awaken to what is and who you are and then the footing is gone again...
Not sure what anybody of you talk about ;-P but that is the good thing about philosophy sometimes but if it is spirituality/being aware, then I like to notice that happiness is inside from being oneself, and appreciate what I got
when I am myself I dont need anything :-)
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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: lessismore]
#19210114 - 11/30/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mio. That is right.it isa terrific holiday when you are yourself like that.
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that is why less is more
the mind constantly wants something, but if living with less, there is often more appreciation simple lifestyle i.e.
or just being aware that what you have you enjoy, then you can be rich and enjoy it
unfortunately it is often so that when you have it all, most enjoyment fades when you have nothing and get something there is much appreciation
i.e. a nice big couch if you never had a couch before  your first bicycle, car, apartment food on the table if you dont get to eat each day(or if fasting/eating very little) new clothes if you dont get to buy new clothes very often/maybe only once a year max
I think it is called gratefulness, and mindfulness , appreciation of what one has
I like running Linux too... with that I dont need a new PC or a new monitor my PC is 12 years old, but I dont feel like upgrading ;-) when everybody else throws their old pc out, I buy their old pc for a few bucks, that which they often paid $3k for , for $50-$100 used
Free software, Free society ;-) no need to sacrifice my freedom to be like everyone else(run windows i.e.), I run against the stream instead dont watch tv, dont listen to the radio etc. Mckenna actually says it well.. make your own culture, your own thoughts, then it is easier to not need anything
Guitar is another great thing to learn... it is only about appreciation, stops time houseplants,pets,guitar,nature everyday, no bad days youtube.com/watch?v=leAy6yzelm0 :-) , if I could play like that I wouldnt need anything
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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: lessismore]
#19210259 - 11/30/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think you are reading to much into it.
It may seem that a man who smoothly moves through his practiced routines really knows himself. All he knows it's that his performance is tight.
He is a smòoth dude.
All he knows it's that he is doing a good job swinging from branch to branch in his routine.
It is still quite a bit of work to seem so nonchalant and effortless.
Little room for awareness.
Lots of scrambling if a branch breaks while swinging along.
But that it's when the special thing can happen. One can wake up. One can reorient.
Maybe this is what absols is thinking of. The chance to decide what to do next rather than just continue being an automaton.
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Without LSD I wouldnt have gotten to appreciate things as much as I do I think, but it still made me face all my problems first - quite unpleasant, took a few years
awakening can be a wake up call for many
the difference from people who have done psychedelics and people who havent is often that they realize they have full control over their thoughts and actions they can change anything at will to get to where they want, everything isnt just a plot against them trying to get them down 
change is the hard part, but when being aware of the subconscious change is easier to visualize often
I notice that when I am happy, I am doing as good as I can, continue doing that when I am not, I must be doing something wrong - something needs to be changed
btw to absols.. I didnt speak of God as a man in the sky but god in terms of our own reality, we can change anything we chose at will, and we can never convince others to change their reality easily because they are gods in terms of their own reality too - they wont accept change from others easily
learning to accept is hard, just as hard as changing
to appreciate everything again, we must often change ourselves
to change oneself one must realize what one is doing wrong against oneself, when was the last time I was truly happy and why? why am I not happy right now? who am I inside, who am I outside? - am I afraid to be who I really am?
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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: lessismore]
#19210658 - 11/30/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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this is the thing, to me you are lying..all what you are saying is obviously not honest nor related in anyways to the facts
I can see how you enjoy pretending knowing everything better and meaning all for that..it is easy to say that from an individual point of vu which has nothing to do, but it doesn't mean anything..and it is not the fact
No, like I said, I would never mean any next thingy..there is no next step, only freedom rights, the right to be relative the relative to expect some of else recognition the right of nothing but what is there still .. as any human being real knows the price of being real relatively, of having to care about a lot of things once realizing being present as the fact .. it is not about speculations nor fun anymore ..
the value of reality is freedom, the value of freedom is reality ... both are related like being same thing, this is the form of truth, same outside and inside where it would logically end like being totally else ..
that is why the more freedom is the fact the more positive is reality
the more absolutes constancy is the fact the more individual freedoms are infinitely coming out
the problem is what you don't know, how the more I say things like that, the more I know how it is nothing to what is really happening away from all I could know .. what it means to know truth what truth could mean being existing ..
while most of everyone, the more they know the more they become everything
which again show how there is no evolution nor change..it is always more the same first .. evolution is only out of new freedoms, totally else generation ...
why do I have to feel sorry ?? what I say applies on me mostly
while the fact that it is just words for you, wont touch you anywhere
we are opposites ..
to me, saying that you must become different or you must feel obliged to do things.. is about evil wills, no one do anything .. and facts are of free constancy's ends.. actually the more you don't care the more you mean nothing the best that would be ...
saying what you say, to me means forces you are happy to work with .. like how would you know what is best and that you must be reoriented.. since you are saying being nonchalant and jumping from a branch to another ... and what branches ?? how existing has any relation with trees ?? or being on a tree .. to me it is a disgusting picture .. what is that living thing on a tree but disease ...
a tree is a beautiful sight only from what we know that it is all about its being fact ... never about its branches to serve others invasions on.. nor to mean the value of others by its own being...
you see the issue is big.. that is why I keep trying to bring it to its bases or even to invent ends to.. because it is only a mess when I read your ways of seeing .. lot of different wrong from all the confusions for the same mean done
to you, profiting from another or others is normal ..
to me NEVER ! when another is better, then it means that it exists then its existence is only about it alone in respect to truth freedom too
to me it is the fundamental secret.. of all rights ending being alright
the recognition right of what objectively exist, making the perspective getting back spontaneously and then becoming too existing real so also free abstraction so on ... making the whole true and ending positive constantly as it cant be but through superior ways to resolve the issue of plural independent existence, so true existence values presence of beings real
what is superior is what would keep meaning its freedom from superiority, knowing that superiority is a fact of constancy and how its fact of being is to its own right origins to realize objectively or not... but that should never be an excuse for abuse .. when any is supposedly true too
you insist how all is one and one is for all, so the confusion of everything to kill freedoms and true realities value
I am not judging you at all.. I am just replying philosophically speaking..
gods especially religions ones.. want to kill truth powers on realities realms, by playing being none like objective sources ... which are not necessarily right but they are at least in that true... so those gods want to appear being the same by abusing the positions of powers they have on us, such miserable and desperate conscious of animals beings fucked infinitely... that is why even you talk about yourselves and humans as if you are animals in need of everything even to be fucked and get ruled ... or the way of talking to anyone is to remind him that he cant know anything because he is in pain and can easily appear as a fool to fool ..
there is no such thing as invisible powers meaning to do some good to you
nor that there are some powers happy to execute your wishes and means ..as soon as you make them clear .. MERDE !!
what is there clearly in powers is EVIL
say it that is all ... EVIL are ruling all and any .. we cannot fight it ..but when evil is what kills truth value then saying it to oneself is good
so gods are after absolute control on us and it is the heaven and hell execution of plans for the end of time..where obviously hells is to good people and heaven to bad ones .. gods mean to get control to get all the benefit of truth to them so to cut else rights to be in relation with truth value
it is not about awakening any, it is the opposite.. totally about killing everyone as it is the end of a system, that gods want to control fully dreaming about making it forever their life out of existence truth
that is how heaven is about their free life through bad kind and hell is for rights of else in truth
gods are one always more, they are never none ... so they cant listen to any nor that they could recognize others beings
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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: lessismore]
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mio said: Without LSD I wouldnt have gotten to appreciate things as much as I do I think, but it still made me face all my problems first - quite unpleasant, took a few years
awakening can be a wake up call for many
the difference from people who have done psychedelics and people who havent is often that they realize they have full control over their thoughts and actions they can change anything at will to get to where they want, everything isnt just a plot against them trying to get them down 
change is the hard part, but when being aware of the subconscious change is easier to visualize often
I notice that when I am happy, I am doing as good as I can, continue doing that when I am not, I must be doing something wrong - something needs to be changed
btw to absols.. I didnt speak of God as a man in the sky but god in terms of our own reality, we can change anything we chose at will, and we can never convince others to change their reality easily because they are gods in terms of their own reality too - they wont accept change from others easily
learning to accept is hard, just as hard as changing
to appreciate everything again, we must often change ourselves
to change oneself one must realize what one is doing wrong against oneself, when was the last time I was truly happy and why? why am I not happy right now? who am I inside, who am I outside? - am I afraid to be who I really am?
this is not changing when your reference is the same happiness
you are your positive sense to realize, you are your end as positive still
and to mean doing wrong against yourself is to be real first.. but believers are never real since they are ones out of everything, like gods
so you cant know what is against yourself when you aren't a self thing among other things beings real
you try to imagine being like god.. for your full happiness always..careless about anything else or others rights careless about facts in truth so existence of everything that must be through opposites edges being then .. where right and wrong are one with positive and negative too
what matter is the door open to evil forces.. what really is never to be happy nor to be anyone .. just enjoying being from destroying else
this is what you do through your god.. you open wider the gate for evil to live over others rights.. while it should be on you too
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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: absols]
#19210861 - 12/01/13 12:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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there are many ways to be
personally I believe buddhism says it well
just be
for some religion works, for some philosophy or science works, for some doing charity works
but yeah.. if you destroy else there is no problem excessive thoughts cause suffering often, worries i.e.
my happiness isnt limited to myself, so that being like god or else being unhappy is nonsense I can chose to do most things I want and still be happy, as long as my happiness isnt limited to myself
but dualism vs non-dualism is about what you talk about.. non-dualism is usually without suffering, if we live with dualism we must usually suffer a bit
then we are back to acceptance again
chose happiness by thoughts think positively, no need to be like god, just be positive
but being like god is a possibility, you can be like Buddha too if you want it is usually not something you should think about, but you can realize your buddha nature/god nature those are just names..
I dont need to discount religion to be happy, I think buddhism,hinduism,christianity,islam etc. all got something worth to learn from, if fit to own experience
nothing is excepted, not even religion, it might be true in another reference frame :-)
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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: lessismore]
#19210890 - 12/01/13 12:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok I will stop arguing with you here since you seem too much attached to your set of beliefs
but I will say just one sentence about your last post, you are clearly proving thinking being for itself.. so not truly.. when truth is about being because truth is being so you are only the freedom out of all known or seen
that is why you can force such wrong means against others or else or all
while it would have better then to admit at least that truth about yourself so you will stop to generalize your statements on all
true suffer exist, so it is never about some reasons of meaning it that you don't mean there is nothing like some people must suffer a bit to realize themselves ...
anyways I cannot prove that to you since it is by definition about else, whether the suffering being true, or what others freedoms are about ..
but what is sure, is what you are generalizing something about yourself only while you are barely limiting it to yourself
now you can say whatever you want, I wont reply.. you will have the last word
I hate how you see gods as superior thing or worse, good thing
humans are precious because they are out of relative beings..which is the right way
the abstraction necessary to realize to be still same out of absolute freedom, gods ways, and out of objective being, superior ways .. that abstraction is right existence in truth way .. like what freedom out of all being and being out of all freedom is the same oneself ... how relative is the existence truth because of the necessity to be through else rights recognitions too
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You promised to stop arguing 10 times already in this thread
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It's your own fault for encouraging it.
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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: Icelander]
#19211285 - 12/01/13 05:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am a worm
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you are surely ready to be in hell .. well for you it is surely heaven .. you can be a worm for real.. not a worm on some tree .. no absolutes no images anymore .. only lies forces now and forever worse more
that is why you should stop meaning absolutes for real
stop confusing your being with what you do for living ..
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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: absols]
#19211330 - 12/01/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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because...
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