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Christianity and religion and the control grid
    #19204295 - 11/29/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

How can you be a Christian and say you are against people being controlled? After all isn't Christianity just part of the control grid? Whenever we put another man between us and god we are controlled. These men who pretend to mediate between us and god are the pharisees of our time. Even just a glance at Jesus shows someone who stood up to the religious establishment of his time, and speaking against the love of money and power.

I guess that brazen level of hipocracy is one of the things that turned me against religion. If Christians were what they teach and loving of other, generous, compassionate to widows and orphans, pacifist turn the other cheekers I'd have probably never abandoned that faith. I'd have just sucked it up and kept trying to be one of the people whom I admired for their level of righteousness. Instead, I have never met anyone claiming to be a Christian who remotely reflects the most basic tenets of the religion as taught by the sage.


A human pretending to intercede between men and god.


Painting depicting Jesus chasing money changers out of the temple and desecrating the purpose of what religion is supposed to be.


One of many "christian" books that use the word "christian" as a brand to generate sales.


The truth is that Christianity is just like any other for profit business.

There are so called Christian conservatives that support our nations wars. While they are so concerned with American "unborn babies" and preventing abortion they simultaneously support making widows and orphans in foreign countries and do not support helping them at all.


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Re: Christianity and religion and the control grid [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #19204397 - 11/29/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How can you be a Christian and say you are against people being controlled? After all isn't Christianity just part of the control grid? Whenever we put another man between us and god we are controlled. These men who pretend to mediate between us and god are the pharisees of our time.




This was essentially what the protestant reformation was about.


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Re: Christianity and religion and the control grid [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19204615 - 11/29/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

IMO being Christian means different things to different people its not that easy to clump them all into one category and assume what they do or don't know, there are different levels of conditioning in each individual in accordance to their life experience. So that being said some of them still use the faith as a medium to 'god' or whatever while rejecting the organizational side of it , it becomes more of a personal thing and in turn can lead to honest self introspection which wouldn't effect others badly.

I'm pretty sure your not referring to that guy but just wanted to put it out there that the stereotypes of Christianity don't always apply to everyone of that 'religion'.

But the acolytes they don't share these sentiments , they don't fail to disappoint in bringing to light the Christian stereotypes. Just a few hours ago I was working with a guy that believes that i am going to hell based off ramblings similar to your OP.

He wasn't hostile, preachy and didn't even deny the old testament but still he firmly believed I would be going to Hell because I do not have Gods forgiveness apparently, Even so cant blame him its not his fault. Its an incapability of understanding past the tunnel like vision of the conditioning that was bestowed upon him in turn keeping in tact his whole way of living and self identity.

Staying close to those with similar beliefs limiting the information that comes in, 20th Century pack mentality as it were in alot of these situations it comes down to being cast out and walking alone vs having the support of those around you.

Hardly an easy task to crack that nut.

These traits are not exclusive to Religion but for anyone wondering why Religion keeps getting picked on , its because it has/had a much bigger impact in the world then other forms of Death Anxiety.


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Re: Christianity and religion and the control grid [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #19205203 - 11/29/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Whenever we put another man between us and god we are controlled.



Word.

Institutional religion (with a few notable exceptions) is all about controlling the sheeple in the pews, the sheeple on the prayer rugs, etc. etc.

After prostitution, it's the oldest lucrative business in the history of the world.

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Instead, I have never met anyone claiming to be a Christian who remotely reflects the most basic tenets of the religion as taught by the sage.



Well, you must not know a lot of Christians, honey.

There are plenty of them out there who have transcended the dogmatic rote and nonsense.  Plenty of them who do good work, everyday and in a thousand thousand ways.

I know.

I happen to be married to one.


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Re: Christianity and religion and the control grid [Re: all this beauty]
    #19205416 - 11/29/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've known hundreds of Christians over the years. None of them come close to upholding their sage's teaching.

Jesus said he didn't come to bring peace to the world. He came to bring a sword and break up families!* When he comes to wreak vengence he won't have mercy on or pity for nursing or pregnant women** and people will get to watch their children get cut to pieces and their wives raped before their eyes!***

*Matthew 10:34-36
**Luke 25:22-23
***Isaiah 9:13-16


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Re: Christianity and religion and the control grid [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19205462 - 11/29/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I've known hundreds of Christians over the years. None of them come close to upholding their sage's teaching.

Jesus said he didn't come to bring peace to the world. He came to bring a sword and break up families!* When he comes to wreak vengence he won't have mercy on or pity for nursing or pregnant women** and people will get to watch their children get cut to pieces and their wives raped before their eyes!***

*Matthew 10:34-36
**Luke 25:22-23
***Isaiah 9:13-16



Oh come on, sweetie.  You're freakin' out over the pseudo-spiritual hysterics of the very human, very fragile, and very ego-maniacal male authors of the Christian Bible.

There are plenty of Christians out there who see through that bullshit.  They understand the language to be the language of frail and human men.

Men.

Had women had a hand in the writing of the Christian Bible, I'm thinking that that bullshit wouldn't be there today.


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Re: Christianity and religion and the control grid [Re: all this beauty] * 1
    #19205485 - 11/29/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)


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I've known hundreds of Christians over the years. None of them come close to upholding their sage's teaching.

Jesus said he didn't come to bring peace to the world. He came to bring a sword and break up families!* When he comes to wreak vengence he won't have mercy on or pity for nursing or pregnant women** and people will get to watch their children get cut to pieces and their wives raped before their eyes!***

*Matthew 10:34-36
**Luke 25:22-23
***Isaiah 9:13-16



Oh come on, sweetie.  You're freakin' out over the pseudo-spiritual hysterics of the very human, very fragile, and very ego-maniacal male authors of the Christian Bible.

There are plenty of Christians out there who see through that bullshit.  They understand the language to be the language of frail and human men.

Men.

Had women had a hand in the writing of the Christian Bible, I'm thinking that that bullshit wouldn't be there today.



Woulda coulda shoulda. It doesn't matter now because its there.

The following quote is a good description of most Christians I've known:

“On Saturday night, I would see men lusting after half-naked girls dancing at the carnival, and on Sunday morning when I was playing organ for tent-show evangelists at the other end of the carnival lot, I would see these same men sitting in the pews with their wives and children, asking God to forgive them and purge them of carnal desires. And the next Saturday they'd be back at the carnival or some other place of indulgence. I knew then that the Christian church thrives on hypocrisy, and that man's carnal nature will out no matter how much it is purged or scoured by any white-light religion.”
― Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Bible


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Re: Christianity and religion and the control grid [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #19205547 - 11/29/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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“On Saturday night, I would see men lusting after half-naked girls dancing at the carnival, and on Sunday morning when I was playing organ for tent-show evangelists at the other end of the carnival lot, I would see these same men sitting in the pews with their wives and children, asking God to forgive them and purge them of carnal desires. And the next Saturday they'd be back at the carnival or some other place of indulgence. I knew then that the Christian church thrives on hypocrisy, and that man's carnal nature will out no matter how much it is purged or scoured by any white-light religion.”
― Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Bible



Yes.  I happen to agree with LaVey on that.  One hundred percent.

If all the hypocrites left all the churches, synagogues, mosques, and temples, institutional religion would go out of business overnight.  Spiritual people would gather in each other's homes and do their spiritual business there.

This would be a catastrophic blow to the Pope, the Head Rabbi of Israel, the Islamic imams, as well as to the Dalai Lama (who I assume also lives in considerable luxury and comfort).


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Re: Christianity and religion and the control grid [Re: Withinity]
    #19205605 - 11/29/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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But the acolytes they don't share these sentiments , they don't fail to disappoint in bringing to light the Christian stereotypes. Just a few hours ago I was working with a guy that believes that i am going to hell based off ramblings similar to your OP.

He wasn't hostile, preachy and didn't even deny the old testament but still he firmly believed I would be going to Hell because I do not have Gods forgiveness apparently, Even so cant blame him its not his fault. Its an incapability of understanding past the tunnel like vision of the conditioning that was bestowed upon him in turn keeping in tact his whole way of living and self identity.

These traits are not exclusive to Religion but for anyone wondering why Religion keeps getting picked on , its because it has/had a much bigger impact in the world then other forms of Death Anxiety.



I've been told I'm going to hell by many people. The last Christian that felt like debating me relayed a story about a woman who was an atheist and then one day she was drowning and realized she was going to die prayed to god to save her and she was filled with physical strength and got to shore. My response was simply "what god did she cry out to in desperation? If she was an athist in a hindu country and cried out to shiva and then swam to shore does that mean she should worship their god instead of yours? Why do you think she picked the right god out of the many hundreds of gods?" To which I got frustration as his reaction. I wonder how many suckers he got to believe in his version of god with that dopey story?


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Re: Christianity and religion and the control grid [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19205835 - 11/29/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Why do you think she picked the right god out of the many hundreds of gods?" To which I got frustration as his reaction.



Lol.  It's fun challenging the mindsets of religionists.  Built in to the mindset is a kind of "self-defense mechanism" which is immune to logic and reason.

If you ask a fundamentalist Christian whether a Muslim who prayed to Allah and was cured of her cancer might have really been on to something, the fundamentalist Christian will reply "It was Jesus who heard the prayer and responded."  And if you asked a fundamentalist Muslim whether a Christian who prayed to Jesus... 

Lol.

Well, you get the point.  :grin:


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Re: Christianity and religion and the control grid [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19207723 - 11/30/13 08:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How can you be a Christian and say you are against people being controlled?




I have never said I was against people being controlled.

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After all isn't Christianity just part of the control grid? Whenever we put another man between us and god we are controlled. These men who pretend to mediate between us and god are the pharisees of our time. Even just a glance at Jesus shows someone who stood up to the religious establishment of his time, and speaking against the love of money and power.




Spiritual teachers, priests are necessary because man is so weak he cannot approach his God himself. That is what Jesus is, our high priest and intercessor, our advocate before the Father. But even Jesus is far too luminous for the average person to dare approaching and this is why the church teaches devotion to Mary who advocates before Jesus. And yet mankind is so spiritually weak that many cannot even bring themselves to approach Mary, so they are provided with priests to be their advocate before Mary, who will advocate before Jesus, who will advocate before the Father. The whole ridiculous scheme is a result of human weakness, not any deficiency on the part of Christianity. There is nothing inherently wrong with having priests. They have gurus in the eastern religions. This is how spiritually has been structured into human societies, with human beings acting as representatives for God because mankind is too frightened and weak to go directly to God.

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I guess that brazen level of hipocracy is one of the things that turned me against religion. If Christians were what they teach and loving of other, generous, compassionate to widows and orphans, pacifist turn the other cheekers I'd have probably never abandoned that faith. I'd have just sucked it up and kept trying to be one of the people whom I admired for their level of righteousness. Instead, I have never met anyone claiming to be a Christian who remotely reflects the most basic tenets of the religion as taught by the sage.




What a stupid reason to reject a spiritual teaching. First of all, there are plenty of people who embody and have embodied Christ's teachings. You only need examine the lives of the saints. Secondly, the church has clearly taught that we are all called to holiness, it is not something reserved for saints and indeed there are many Christians who are growing in holiness and gradually overcoming their sins. It is wrong to judge them base on their actions, all that matters is whether or not they are making a sincere and genuine effort to follow Jesus. Someone who appears to be a horrible sinner, might actually be a true follower of Christ, you just happened to encounter him during the early part of his spiritual journey when he had not yet been purified. Purification is the first stage on the journey to holiness and it can take quite a long time for some people. Who are you to judge them? Who are you to judge the spiritual achievements of others? Clearly, you do not embody Christ's teaching either as he said "judge not lest you be judged". So given your own shortcomings, what gives you right to act as though you are superior to anyone?

Secondly, a religion as large as Christianity is always going to be filled with hypocritical followers. This is quite obviously a result of humanity's general spiritual sloth rather than any specific deficiency in Christianity. Do you think it's any different in other religions? Name a single large scale religion where all its followers are saint like figures who live up to the teachings of their religion in every way. I challenge you to name ONE. Jesus came into the world for the sinners, not the righteous. What are we supposed to do? Kick sinners out of the church because they aren't holy enough? Is that what Jesus would want us to do? The Church exists to save souls first and foremost, not to make itself look good. That means that even the most hardened sinners must be given the opportunity to partake in the sacraments and participate in the liturgy, even if having them around makes the church look bad in the eyes of judgmental people such as yourself.

But as I said, the behavior of the followers in an incredibly dumb way to judge a religion. If Christianity is true, that is, if it represents a valid spiritual path, then why should it matter how many Christians are following that path? If there was a cure for a deadly disease but the majority of society refused the cure, would you refuse it also? In short, you don't need to worry about what other people are doing. The spiritual sloth of others is not your responsibility, nor is it your place to judge them. You are responsible for your own spiritual growth, that's it.


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Re: Christianity and religion and the control grid [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19207769 - 11/30/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Ellis Dee said:
I've known hundreds of Christians over the years. None of them come close to upholding their sage's teaching.

Jesus said he didn't come to bring peace to the world. He came to bring a sword and break up families!* When he comes to wreak vengence he won't have mercy on or pity for nursing or pregnant women** and people will get to watch their children get cut to pieces and their wives raped before their eyes!***

*Matthew 10:34-36
**Luke 25:22-23
***Isaiah 9:13-16



Oh come on, sweetie.  You're freakin' out over the pseudo-spiritual hysterics of the very human, very fragile, and very ego-maniacal male authors of the Christian Bible.

There are plenty of Christians out there who see through that bullshit.  They understand the language to be the language of frail and human men.

Men.

Had women had a hand in the writing of the Christian Bible, I'm thinking that that bullshit wouldn't be there today.



Woulda coulda shoulda. It doesn't matter now because its there.

The following quote is a good description of most Christians I've known:

“On Saturday night, I would see men lusting after half-naked girls dancing at the carnival, and on Sunday morning when I was playing organ for tent-show evangelists at the other end of the carnival lot, I would see these same men sitting in the pews with their wives and children, asking God to forgive them and purge them of carnal desires. And the next Saturday they'd be back at the carnival or some other place of indulgence. I knew then that the Christian church thrives on hypocrisy, and that man's carnal nature will out no matter how much it is purged or scoured by any white-light religion.”
― Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Bible




More stupidity. Man's carnal nature does not win out, again you only need examine the lives of the saints to see that purification is possible. The fact that most Christians sin should come as no surprise. Is joining the church supposed to make them magically turn into saints overnight? The spiritual path is extremely difficult, much too difficult for the average person. it is the greatest challenge I know of. Sin is universal, afflicting all of humanity Christian, Muslim, Atheist, alike. Even making an unsuccessful attempt to combat it, is evidence of sincerity, not hyprocracy. Again, who appointed Anton Szandor LaVey to judge humanity?

I go to confession every week and most weeks I confess to the same sins I committed the week before. Does that make me a hypocrite? No, it makes me human. Purification is a gradual process, if you looked at one of my confessions from a year ago for instance, you would see how much I've grown.

Calling someone a hypocrite because they commit the same sins over and over again is like calling Pete Sampras a hypocrite for double faulting. The goal is to serve within the white lines right, and you missed the white lines even though that was your goal? Thus you are a hypocrite. Do you not see that that is pure idiocy? a hypocrite is not someone struggling to overcome weakness.

And why are you quoting the Satanic Bible anyway? Do you really think thats a good place to find unbiased commentary on the Christian religion?


Edited by Deviate (11/30/13 08:51 AM)


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Re: Christianity and religion and the control grid [Re: Deviate]
    #19207897 - 11/30/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I go to confession every week and most weeks I confess to the same sins I committed the week before. Does that make me a hypocrite? No, it makes me human. Purification is a gradual process, if you looked at one of my confessions from a year ago for instance, you would see how much I've grown.



"Hypocrisy" is saying or believing one thing and behaving in a way that doesn't comport with your speech or beliefs.  If you (generic "you" -- not you personally, Deviate) condemn something and then engage in it, you're a hypocrite.

If you meet those hypocrisy criteria, going to confession every day of the week doesn't make you any less of a hypocrite.  Professing your sins to Almighty God and asking for forgiveness doesn't make you any less of a hypocrite.  When you start behaving in a way that comports with your speech or beliefs, that makes you less of a hypocrite.

No "Pass Jail, Collect $100" card for hypocrites who participate in institutional religion.  Sorry.

Not in my book, at least.


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Re: Christianity and religion and the control grid [Re: all this beauty]
    #19207931 - 11/30/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I go to confession every week and most weeks I confess to the same sins I committed the week before. Does that make me a hypocrite? No, it makes me human. Purification is a gradual process, if you looked at one of my confessions from a year ago for instance, you would see how much I've grown.



"Hypocrisy" is saying or believing one thing and behaving in a way that doesn't comport with your speech or beliefs.  If you (generic "you" -- not you personally, Deviate) condemn something and then engage in it, you're a hypocrite.

If you meet those hypocrisy criteria, going to confession every day of the week doesn't make you any less of a hypocrite.  Professing your sins to Almighty God and asking for forgiveness doesn't make you any less of a hypocrite.  When you start behaving in a way that comports with your speech or beliefs, that makes you less of a hypocrite.

No "Pass Jail, Collect $100" card for hypocrites who participate in institutional religion.  Sorry.

Not in my book, at least.




I have begun behaving in ways that more conform to my beliefs. This is the ecxperience of many Christians. In fact, I would venture to say that this is the "Christian Experience". Of course in a broader sense, the Christian Experience includes those dark times when you are trapped in sin also. Any time you are working to get closer to Christ, you are having the Christian Experience regardless of how you are behaving. At times you may even fall into worse sin as a result of your spiritual efforts. But the Christian Experience is not complete until you actually become like Christ.

What I am saying is, you cannot judge  a Christian by his actions. So his spiritual efforts haven't come to fruitin yet, so what? That is why we are judged on the last day. It's where we end up, not we are. Life is growth.


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Re: Christianity and religion and the control grid [Re: Deviate]
    #19207987 - 11/30/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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If that makes me a hypocrite, virtually every human being that ever lived was a hypocrite which renders the term quite meaningness don't you think?




I know people with whom I violently disagree, but they "practice what they preach" and are therefore not hypocrites in my book.

I may consider their beliefs odious and counter-productive, but they aren't hypocrites. 

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What is the difference between being a hypocrite and being human?




I don't believe it's in our natural, uncontrived natures to be hypocrites.

Daoists talk in terms of "the uncarved block" -- the natural, uncontrived nature of humankind.

I don't think hypocrisy is part of the uncarved block. 

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The human ego is the very definition of hypocrisy. It is always engaging in judging others while ignoring the fact that it is just as imperfect.




I don't view the human ego as "enemy" (which, incidentally, is one reason I'm not a Buddhist).  My sense of separateness and my  occasional sense of superiority is important for my biological survival.  My ego -- good and bad -- serves me well.

"Hypocrisy," on the other hand, does not serve me well. 

"To thine own self be true" is as true and valid today as it was the day those words were first penned.


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    #19208095 - 11/30/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I edited my post, because I realized I hadn't read what you had said carefully.


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Re: Christianity and religion and the control grid [Re: Deviate]
    #19208162 - 11/30/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Spiritual teachers, priests are necessary because man is so weak he cannot approach his God himself. That is what Jesus is, our high priest and intercessor, our advocate before the Father. But even Jesus is far too luminous for the average person to dare approaching and this is why the church teaches devotion to Mary who advocates before Jesus. And yet mankind is so spiritually weak that many cannot even bring themselves to approach Mary, so they are provided with priests to be their advocate before Mary, who will advocate before Jesus, who will advocate before the Father. The whole ridiculous scheme is a result of human weakness, not any deficiency on the part of Christianity. There is nothing inherently wrong with having priests. They have gurus in the eastern religions. This is how spiritually has been structured into human societies, with human beings acting as representatives for God because mankind is too frightened and weak to go directly to God.




That is just a long winded way of saying you like to be controlled because you think you're inferior somehow. Get over it. You're not any less good than those priests. The only reason they have power over you is because you gave it to them. You are just as good or holy as any of those guys.


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Re: Christianity and religion and the control grid [Re: all this beauty]
    #19208173 - 11/30/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I know people with whom I violently disagree, but they "practice what they preach" and are therefore not hypocrites in my book.

I may consider their beliefs odious and counter-productive, but they aren't hypocrites. 





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    #19208177 - 11/30/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Deviate said:More stupidity. Man's carnal nature does not win out, again you only need examine the lives of the saints to see that purification is possible. The fact that most Christians sin should come as no surprise. Is joining the church supposed to make them magically turn into saints overnight? The spiritual path is extremely difficult, much too difficult for the average person. it is the greatest challenge I know of. Sin is universal, afflicting all of humanity Christian, Muslim, Atheist, alike. Even making an unsuccessful attempt to combat it, is evidence of sincerity, not hyprocracy. Again, who appointed Anton Szandor LaVey to judge humanity?






He appointed himself. He's just as good a judge as anyone else and his points are just as good as the Pope's or yours or mine. He makes good points and I've observed the same things myself.

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I go to confession every week and most weeks I confess to the same sins I committed the week before. Does that make me a hypocrite? No, it makes me human. Purification is a gradual process, if you looked at one of my confessions from a year ago for instance, you would see how much I've grown.

Calling someone a hypocrite because they commit the same sins over and over again is like calling Pete Sampras a hypocrite for double faulting. The goal is to serve within the white lines right, and you missed the white lines even though that was your goal? Thus you are a hypocrite. Do you not see that that is pure idiocy? a hypocrite is not someone struggling to overcome weakness.

And why are you quoting the Satanic Bible anyway? Do you really think thats a good place to find unbiased commentary on the Christian religion?




Just above you said its stupid to say man's carnal narture will out. But you just made the LaVey's point in your own example. You keep doing the same thing over and over and pretending its a sin so you can feel guilty about it and stay controlled by your church's control grid and give them power over yourself. You are the one that sins over and over. Your carnal nature will out. No human invented concept of sin or repentance will change anything. You are what you are. But besides that you have given away your own power to a church of men when you should be your own person. What strikes me is how complete the brainwashing is that you actually want to remain in that stagnant powerless state.


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"If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do."-King Solomon

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,


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Re: Christianity and religion and the control grid [Re: eve69]
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Once there began to be two sides neither side was Dao.



Lol.  Well, sweetie, some Philosophical Daoists might disagree with you on that.  :wink:

Some like to think of it as circles within circles.

There's the Big-and-Unfathomable-and-Oh-So-Mysterious-and-Unspeakable-Outer-Circle (which, paradoxically, is boundless), and then there are the inner circles.  The inner circles contain all the "this" and "that."  All the white and black, sour and sweet, good and bad.

But it's all Dao. 

All the circles are Dao.


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