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First grow - PF Tek - 12 cakes / 5 varieties 1
#19206190 - 11/29/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I love this site! I've read a few books (Stamets and such) but the info I get from these forums is invaluable. For my first grow, I took all the reliable info I could find from books and this site and averaged them out. Here's what I've done so far.
$150 invested… Potential for up to 300 grams… I like where this is going.
I inoculated the jars in a sterilized glove box.
Jars were kept at around 80 degrees F for incubation/colonization. They were fully colonized by week 4 but I let them go for another week.
After birthing the jars, I dunked them for 20 hours in the fridge (38 degrees F).
After dunking, I rolled them in vermiculite and misted them. Placed them on top of water-saturated (then thoroughly drained) perlite.
For fruiting, they have been kept at around 76 degrees F. My digital hygrometer says 80% humidity and my analog hygrometer says 98% humidity. I trust the analog (I calibrated it with RR's towel wrap tek). They get about 9 hours of indirect sunlight and 12 hours of 5000K CFL light per day. I let the air pump run all day and I fan them at least once a day.
So how are they looking? What's up with the white fuzz (almost looks like soap bubbles in these photos) on the non-fruiting cakes? I think I need a bigger fruiting chamber...
B+ F+ F+ GT B+ EQ EQ GT B+ BR BR GT ^layout of cakes. So far, B+ and F+ are the quickest to fruit.





*edited to comply with forum rules… I'm new here dammit.
Edited by TheFog (11/29/13 08:15 PM)
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Re: First grow - PF Tek - 12 cakes / 5 varieties [Re: TheFog]
#19206207 - 11/29/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: First grow - PF Tek - 12 cakes / 5 varieties [Re: TheFog]
#19206268 - 11/29/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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3. Spores are sold for microscopy use only so mycologists can ID mushrooms. If you're going to misuse them to grow a controlled substance, keep it to yourself. Any post which mentions 'such and such' vendor, will be deleted and you'll receive an official warning. Do not plug non sponsors.
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Get rid of the air pump and build a proper SGFC......perlite in the bottom of a tub with no holes is fail.
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek
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Re: First grow - PF Tek - 12 cakes / 5 varieties [Re: PussyFart]
#19206327 - 11/29/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Edited my post.
I don't see how fanning once or twice a day coupled with an air pump could be vastly inferior to a SGFC. Care to elaborate?
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Re: First grow - PF Tek - 12 cakes / 5 varieties [Re: TheFog]
#19206495 - 11/29/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mushies need 5 complete air exchanges an hour, I believe, so, unless you spend all day misting and fanning, the results won't even be close.
The humidity needs to fluctuate as well.
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Re: First grow - PF Tek - 12 cakes / 5 varieties [Re: OgreLokon]
#19206528 - 11/29/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So since CO2 is more dense than O2, I should drill a few holes right above the perlite to let gas exchange. Can I convert this into a SGFC without having holes in the bottom? The heat is provided by the bigger container. Also, I add 3% hydrogen peroxide to the perlite every 3 or 4 days to prevent contamination.
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Re: First grow - PF Tek - 12 cakes / 5 varieties [Re: TheFog]
#19206543 - 11/29/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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CO2 does not fall. We wouldn't be able to sleep on the ground if it did.
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TheFog said: I love this site! I've read a few books (Stamets and such) but the info I get from these forums is invaluable. For my first grow, I took all the reliable info I could find from books and this site and averaged them out.
If you got info from the forums, you've got up to date info, plus grow kits are junk.
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Re: First grow - PF Tek - 12 cakes / 5 varieties [Re: TheFog]
#19206544 - 11/29/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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TheFog said: So since CO2 is more dense than O2, I should drill a few holes right above the perlite to let gas exchange. Can I convert this into a SGFC without having holes in the bottom? The heat is provided by the bigger container. Also, I add 3% hydrogen peroxide to the perlite every 3 or 4 days to prevent contamination.
Stop using peroxide....we ONLY use that for cobweb mold....and read this thread...all 5 pages....
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19159484#19159484
Co2 does not sink or settle out of air.....it rises with the heat and humidity currents....
Drill 1/4" holes every 2" in a grid pattern on all 6 sides...top and bottom included.
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Edited by PussyFart (11/29/13 09:26 PM)
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Re: First grow - PF Tek - 12 cakes / 5 varieties [Re: TheFog]
#19206563 - 11/29/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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TheFog said: So how are they looking? What's up with the white fuzz (almost looks like soap bubbles in these photos) on the non-fruiting cakes? I think I need a bigger fruiting chamber...
EDIT
Found it, "If you see a lot of white fuzzy stuff on the stems, your mushrooms lack fresh air or light (so fan more, and make sure you have at least one fluorescent bulb next to each FC)."
From this very useful thread.
That was easy! - LC
Edited by LogicaL Chaos (11/29/13 09:40 PM)
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Re: First grow - PF Tek - 12 cakes / 5 varieties [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#19206608 - 11/29/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Found it, "If you see a lot of white fuzzy stuff on the stems, your mushrooms lack fresh air or light (so fan more, and make sure you have at least one fluorescent bulb next to each FC)."
From this very useful thread. - LC
Except we do not fan for FAE......the chamber should get that constantly....
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Re: First grow - PF Tek - 12 cakes / 5 varieties [Re: OgreLokon]
#19206624 - 11/29/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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OgreLokon said: CO2 does not fall. We wouldn't be able to sleep on the ground if it did.
If you got info from the forums, you've got up to date info, plus grow kits are junk.
Uhhh… yes it does? http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/123Adensitygas.html If you put a human into a sealed 10x10x10 cube, they would die from oxygen starvation at the bottom of the chamber faster than at the top. Unless of course, as in nature, there is a constantly moving current carrying away waste CO2. "We wouldn't be able to sleep on the ground if it did." is pretty fucking dumb.
And I know grow kits are junk for efficiency, but I have a variety of fruiting cubes 6 weeks after I decided to grow my own mushrooms. The amount I've learned through the kit and the guide provided has been invaluable.
Edited by TheFog (11/29/13 09:58 PM)
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Re: First grow - PF Tek - 12 cakes / 5 varieties [Re: TheFog]
#19206650 - 11/29/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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TheFog said:
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OgreLokon said: CO2 does not fall. We wouldn't be able to sleep on the ground if it did.
If you got info from the forums, you've got up to date info, plus grow kits are junk.
Uhhh… yes it does?
Not in a fruiting chamber that has constant heat and humidity currents....it flows to the top.....regardless of what a website says.....get a co2 meter.
And we are not talking about pure concentrated co2 in a sealed room here....we are talking about a small amount that gets mixed into the air....the same air we breathe that has co2 mixed into it....
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RogerRabbit said: You would be well advised to take a basic science course prior to calling other people wrong. I've posted many times on this subject to try to help clear the misunderstandings and down right ignorant shit I've seen posted here, but little can rival this.
Do you have a CO2 sensor? I do. Do you have an O2 sensor? I do. Do you have a meter that can read ppm of particulate in the air? I do.
Here's a news flash. The fruiting chamber I designed has holes in all six sides. This results in convection and circulation. It is NOT a still air environment! The mushroom substrates produce heat, and also the lighting that shines through the fruiting chamber produces heat. These two produce convection. Perhaps if you'd read posts before jumping into shit you know nothing of, you'd have seen that. Sorry, but this pisses me off. Don't attack my work because you don't understand the science behind it.
Now, in a so-called 'shotgun' fruiting chamber with holes on all six sides, would you suppose the CO2 drains out the bottom? It doesn't. It mixes with the air. I see absolutely NO change in CO2 concentration from the top to the bottom of the fruiting chamber. CO2 levels are higher than ambient in the room, but lower than they would be in a 'still air' terrarium, as if anyone who has knowledge of the life cycle of fungi would ever make such a thing.
Do your homework before trashing others work please. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7546101#7546101
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Edited by PussyFart (11/29/13 10:01 PM)
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Re: First grow - PF Tek - 12 cakes / 5 varieties [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#19206655 - 11/29/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said:
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TheFog said: So how are they looking? What's up with the white fuzz (almost looks like soap bubbles in these photos) on the non-fruiting cakes? I think I need a bigger fruiting chamber...
EDIT
Found it, "If you see a lot of white fuzzy stuff on the stems, your mushrooms lack fresh air or light (so fan more, and make sure you have at least one fluorescent bulb next to each FC)."
From this very useful thread.
That was easy! - LC
Awesome, thanks man!
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Re: First grow - PF Tek - 12 cakes / 5 varieties [Re: PussyFart]
#19206671 - 11/29/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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TheFog said: So since CO2 is more dense than O2, I should drill a few holes right above the perlite to let gas exchange. Can I convert this into a SGFC without having holes in the bottom? The heat is provided by the bigger container. Also, I add 3% hydrogen peroxide to the perlite every 3 or 4 days to prevent contamination.
Stop using peroxide....we ONLY use that for cobweb mold....and read this thread...all 5 pages....
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19159484#19159484
Co2 does not sink or settle out of air.....it rises with the heat and humidity currents....
Drill 1/4" holes every 2" in a grid pattern on all 6 sides...top and bottom included.
I'm adding peroxide to the water in the perlite. It is not coming in contact with the mushrooms. Psilocybin: Mushroom Handbook (published in 2006) advocates this, as well as my mushroom guide. Unless Hydrogen Peroxide releases a gas that is harmful to Psilocybe Cubensis, I don't see how this would be a problem.
Regarding your CO2 comment, I disregard that regard.
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Re: First grow - PF Tek - 12 cakes / 5 varieties [Re: TheFog]
#19206675 - 11/29/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Uhh... It says CO2 and COLD sink. Something that produces PURE CO2 will have the CO2 sink, but it will still mix with the air, especially if you have it contained in a warm FC. A human in a SEALED container will die on the floor, simply because as they get lower on O2, they won't be able to stand.
For somebody that claims to get half of their info from these forums, you already seem to know everything, don't you?
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Re: First grow - PF Tek - 12 cakes / 5 varieties [Re: PussyFart]
#19206683 - 11/29/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker, you know your shit. I was just trying to counter an allegory with an allegory.
Based on my pictures, what's the best way I could convert this to a SGFC? I can't have holes in the bottom or I lose my heat source. Unless I buy a terrarium pad.
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Re: First grow - PF Tek - 12 cakes / 5 varieties [Re: TheFog]
#19206684 - 11/29/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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TheFog said: I'm adding peroxide to the water in the perlite. It is not coming in contact with the mushrooms. Psilocybin: Mushroom Handbook (published in 2006) advocates this, as well as my mushroom guide. Unless Hydrogen Peroxide releases a gas that is harmful to Psilocybe Cubensis, I don't see how this would be a problem.
Peroxide is degraded by light....so after an hour the peroxide you used is wasted.....plus there is no need for it, since fruiting is not a sterile process, and the perlite is not contacting the cakes....it's only job is to humidify the tub....and without the proper holes in the bottom, air cannot circulate thru the perlite for this to happen.
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TheFog said: Regarding your CO2 comment, I disregard that regard.
Disregard whatever you want...fact is fact..... and the fact is co2 does not sink in a fruiting chamber....period....heat and humidity both rise, taking the co2 with it.
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Re: First grow - PF Tek - 12 cakes / 5 varieties [Re: OgreLokon]
#19206688 - 11/29/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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OgreLokon said: Uhh... It says CO2 and COLD sink. Something that produces PURE CO2 will have the CO2 sink, but it will still mix with the air, especially if you have it contained in a warm FC. A human in a SEALED container will die on the floor, simply because as they get lower on O2, they won't be able to stand.
For somebody that claims to get half of their info from these forums, you already seem to know everything, don't you?
No, I don't. There is no exact science to any of this. I wanted suggestions but I've found people claiming they're RIGHT without giving reasons why. Sorry, I'm frustrated. I love all you guys.
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Re: First grow - PF Tek - 12 cakes / 5 varieties [Re: TheFog]
#19206689 - 11/29/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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TheFog said: Notahacker, you know your shit. I was just trying to counter an allegory with an allegory.
Based on my pictures, what's the best way I could convert this to a SGFC? I can't have holes in the bottom or I lose my heat source. Unless I buy a terrarium pad.
Never heat the chamber, heat the room.
Heating the chamber will turn all your humidity into condensation......this is never a good thing.
It is never recommended to heat a fruiting chamber.
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Re: First grow - PF Tek - 12 cakes / 5 varieties [Re: PussyFart]
#19206736 - 11/29/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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TheFog said: Notahacker, you know your shit. I was just trying to counter an allegory with an allegory.
Based on my pictures, what's the best way I could convert this to a SGFC? I can't have holes in the bottom or I lose my heat source. Unless I buy a terrarium pad.
Never heat the chamber, heat the room.
Heating the chamber will turn all your humidity into condensation......this is never a good thing.
It is never recommended to heat a fruiting chamber.
Unfortunately, I don't have that luxury. I need a heating source somewhere. Right now it's in the tub of water that floats my fruiting chamber.
For future mono grows, it seems to me that a heating pad is the best option. Any alternative suggestions? I'm growing in my bedroom lol.
I'll get what I can from this tek but could you share a proper mono tub grow instruction with me? I'm thinking 50/50.
Edited by TheFog (11/29/13 10:29 PM)
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