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It's not what you get...
    #19206031 - 11/29/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Is it what you give?


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: Rahz] * 1
    #19206041 - 11/29/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

what goes around and comes around
is that not a tire?  no no no
the tire goes around the hub, it's all about the hub.
but the hub does nothing the tire does everything
that why they say god im tired
not jesus im hubbed
mohammad my ass is hubbed!


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: Rahz]
    #19206331 - 11/29/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Rahz said:
Is it what you give?




Is it what you give what?


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: Icelander]
    #19206392 - 11/29/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

hmm, the wise man never explained that part.


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: Rahz]
    #19206413 - 11/29/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You need better wise men.


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: Rahz]
    #19206520 - 11/29/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Is it what you give?




Depends on who you give it to... :hehehe:

Seriously though, it makes me happier to give than to receive, even though people don't appreciate it most of the time. I guess I'm selfish like that. I like to feel GOOD! :crazy2:


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: Space Elf]
    #19206809 - 11/29/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it's how it is


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19206821 - 11/29/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's not what you get but how much you enjoy life?


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: teknix]
    #19207329 - 11/30/13 04:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

and the rejection if you don't have enough where it counts that keeps nagging in the background


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: teknix]
    #19207371 - 11/30/13 04:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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teknix said:
It's not what you get but how much you enjoy life?



:thumbup:


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: Rahz]
    #19207521 - 11/30/13 06:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Rahz said:
Is it what you give?




good question !

from what it shows that you know how getting in anyways is wrong

it is not about giving really, it is about truth of individual freedom being a plus out of free true realities

then you must act as being a plus to whatever you know around you or what you can see being really true freely, by adding to a positive sense so to be true it must be out of yourself being positive, which would realize the effect of confirming you as being free plus individual, so then it is about you getting your freedom right being true, so positive sense of being free out of everything altogether sorted in positive value end reality freedom

then it would be the constant of giving to oneself reality freedom objectively through the perspective of others individuals freedoms out, or to stay with objective reality freedom and gain more positive freedom out, or to enjoy the freedom add you got by truth and prefer to stay existing being free constant without moving really, which is also possible as long as free beings recognize that truth matters first, and objective is always superior in truth, superior freedom in all terms so superior freedom rights present facts

unfortunately, all and existence is for truth value, it is bad thing, from what obviously right individualities are nothing while abused by evil individualities then

truth is objective reality of present freedom plural relative meaning wills sorted out in terms of freedom superiority so as positive free reality end ... as the base of possible freedom true presence till it becomes absolute present positive source as the constant existence out of all already existing, from different wills and sides of realities

in all free terms of truth value, it means existence values, how what matter relatively is the matter value rights which deserve infinite justifications, when truth freedom exist so constant objective (positive) source exist, then existence can be fully out of true values realizations and infinite justifications for more existence positive matters that really matter...

individual freedoms out of truth so realities of all, have of course a particularity seen in truth being the relative value, which in certain case could be superior to absolute value, when it is the true present base of freedom value which become later an objective value in truth

this correlation between relative value and absolute value is the essence of constant positive relation between individuals freedom and truth
as they are totally else to each others but only when they both mean true free present values conceptions or in facts of being present..
when values are the reason of positive things constancy, positive is in truth freedom right or freedom values, like of superior moves

but because of what any and all is never the real truth value, as objective truth freedom is only relative to infinite superior moves
and individuals freedom are only themselves absolute valuable move or existing reality value, when objective freedom prevail in concept of value so individuals are only freedom rights out of their true existing selves

so because of that, what rule any and all is abuse, as any and all would be in constant positive needs and means, since they are not the definitive positive source, in fact and in infinite conception of it

truth is a problem because it is true, so there is no way of escaping its existence, so when truth is bad everyone is involved, but also it would become worse always then

truth in conceptions is easy when only its most perfect state could stay relatively existing, as if there were no existence truth is the most superiority including all as the present, closer to existence superiority, or because it is true, truth is what wont mean existing as it exists of constancy not of wills

always, infinity is the true value of truth, so what is none but objectively because of being always so the constant is the value source
while it points freedom so the abstraction of being right constant

that is how objective freedom abuse their fact of being objective freedom superiority by forcing individuals freedoms to their meaning wills of positive

and individuals freedoms abuse their positions of powers over smaller individuals size, to be in force on objective life

but others individuals are nothing that matter to own individuality, while truth in relative means and absolute means matter always to anyone

this is also what confirm how all and any should mean the truth, not because it is better, on the contrary truth is the reason of worse, but because truth matter.. its presence is always and its consequences too

because we are always in positive needs as no one is the ultimate positive source, that is why we avoid to mean objective negativity and keep jumping to mean positive values of any fact

that is why it is also better to be individually, then freedom value would be actually present of what each individual do realize to himself being free so separate from everything else

like me I see mostly truth value, as the value of clarity so the value of zero as positive end, from what any is then free possible move through constant positive base .. but It is just an example and not me, but I really like the truth for clarity maybe more then for its infinite value which surprise me sometimes positively

any god is like any other, unless you mean through others powers on you, being positive, as if you really enjoy it, which I doubt from what in truth liars are revealed meaning to be in powers over others as the reason of accepting gods powers on them

but also now it becomes clear that any fact freedom so objective power is also another, so the conception of truth so the true objective is infinity, what is really constant, matter because constant.. with no speculations possible

which then confirm existence sense being to individualities literally

so small free individual being, could be more truly present freedom then all powerful free entities together through infinite truth... this what truth is revealing now in lies
how it is a speculation about a point to mean existence sense being only individually possible

sorry for becoming boring now but I need to say a last point

the main problem for all whether absolute freedom or relative freedom, appears to be in the ability to recognize another superiority

gods know more how objective freedom are others that is why they surely reverse their means, like also how objective freedom know gods are not really free so inferior willing means, that is why they make their means through them, as reality would be positive only through objective means then

so how whatever kind of freedom it is the same fact, freedom is weak towards positive existence and also cant accept that another could be positive more, nor basically more right

else recognition is the issue

look how forums so space of words only, the reality is always about arguments and the most positive conversations are the ones that evolved for competitions wise, like if you sound intelligent I would invent how I am more.. it is nonsense when not true, we cant use what is always absolutely for such less then relative means

the point, why cant we accept others being superior too ?? because it is the effect of infinity, the sense out of is true, and when infinity is superiority then own superiority is a must to say anything or to be alone

that issue is also same for objective superiority, what is no one or none but the freedom source when seeing others get confused and hate that a lot

of course there is also the reason of evil, but it applies only to what is never true never then superior about any, then it is what mean to abuse infinity, since by its fact exist through lies then no constant also can be, then it can attack constant and claim superiority freedom being
since it can kill the infinite constant as being superiority reference

from where the principle live by killing emerge

but I guess if the problem wasn't beyond universe a real problem, that wrong edges like evil will couldn't exist

the answer that I had in my life by myself alone about else superiority, seeing how far I must keep recognizing else like impossible thing to do

so the answer is by giving superiority to infinity truth, so to what it seems being for absolutes constancies objective positive sources always, never to anyone else even if objective sources

the answer is what we are out of superiority, because superiority is really to infinity
we are the positive free absolute constancy out of our relative superiority, where we can realize ourselves alone, this is our logical ends 

but any is only absolutely existing, so us are the freedom rights where we realize ourselves rights alone for what we are present to ourselves

infinity is constant superior, not existing, not possibly present sense
we exist, constant positive in the mean of being present, so existing value that shows how infinity matter, like the sense of being present is what matter, we will mean it to be in better constant ..

each free conscious is unique it is only its present freedom from the conscious of being
the more free consciously realize something the more it would be out of that particular realization unique freedom
but also the more free consciously do not realize anything the more it would be out of that fact unique still out of else freedom

so it shows how any is the same in the sense that any can be moving or still depending on the situation or his own present wills

and that apply to gods to objective sources to any conscious ..they are relative like us when they become conscious of else existence

it is obvious how the issue is far general, when right people are so far abused and destroyed while bad people are having it all

it means that who don't want to force its superiority he would be not only less rich and healthy but also no superiority would deal with him as existing

only who forces their superiority motivate others superiority to mean other things but recognize them then too, which is also a source of evil increase

and that is how the will to make women as the positive figure to mean what is not women being superiors, is all evil too
killing infinity rights of superiority absolutely, while making happiness of evil wills to lie about being constantly positive out, while it is through negating others free rights at the back of themselves too
like showing how far the feminine is false, it is not like that one recognition of being self constant, it is out of forcing being positive  by killing positive rights of others while meaning superiority in evil ways

it is an issue for everyone and everything not about any particular trait


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: absols]
    #19207546 - 11/30/13 06:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

that's monumental with emphasis on the latter


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19207603 - 11/30/13 07:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

giving is better than receiving

dont just give to give, give something that would actually be needed

but I also agree, it is how much you enjoy life

the good thing about giving is you realize that less is more , and happiness isnt limited to the self
I love giving flower seeds/plants to everyone I know ;-)
$.01 worth, but priceless value


think the most common problem is using too much and giving too little in my experience
no appreciation then

less is more


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: lessismore]
    #19207667 - 11/30/13 08:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

less cannot be more, this is the issue, less is less so more abuse that fact

your argument is about something else

how less can be superior and how more can be inferior

which is due to truth, being freedom value, so freedom superiority is what exist

then what is more free can be objectively superior while alone since free out of nothing, but in the linear sense definitely positive value

it is due to the definitive fact, it increases as constant to infinity

so it goes back to truth value

while more if in terms of quantity could be of lies and trafications of facts knowledge, so it would be sustained only for a time, in that end what is truly constant even if nothing is a superior value, since at that end it wont exist anymore while what is really still without doing any would be bigger, logically

but definitely what matters is truth principally, so less cant be more
otherwise it wont be truly less, and more not really more

the word less exist because absolute less exist

for example, freedom outside of everything, so on one terms, is always less then freedom within everything or conscious freedom as objective realizations of anything else ... that is how gods are by definition inferiors that are forced to stick together, for what alone they are less  always relative that cant matter at all but through force despite all the powers they can be over seeing all and being relative to infinite means


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: absols]
    #19207807 - 11/30/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

fundamental with emphasis on the latter


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19207844 - 11/30/13 09:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

gods are less free :-)

because they are aware of their subconsciousness

most really bad choices are auto-removed(not a possibility any longer), but that doesnt mean gods dont make mistakes

gods can be human at any time

less is more is typical when you break free of thought (controller of own thoughts)
it means you dont need everything, you got everything you need, peace is within

less is more on GNU+linux too :-) , hippie operating system, the "more" program is replaced with the less program
more simply doesnt exist on GNU

dont know what you mean about superiority you always talk about, but I know there exists basal truths, which I recognize when I see them now
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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: lessismore]
    #19208090 - 11/30/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

you love being god like apparently, this is your choice
but you cannot mean gods being more superior then all, it would be an evil mean 

it could be your choice to enjoy being one outside of everything, you could see that as superior thing, from your own self perspectives..

but you cannot force what you think being truth or right

truth or right should always be pointed out of conscious realizations of else existence
truth existence mean infinite results, so always plural free means out of the same truth
right also is about a self free move, then talking about rights is always meaning objective values, rights ends

and to me it is clear that gods don't do but bad choices, it is amazing how you cant see out of the world and universal life ways

gods are animals life, or do you really take those animals seriously as being themselves wills and powers of force??

gods by definition is the inferiority of not being able to recognize else existence, it is the reverse of what you think, it is the conscious that cant be but absolute thing, they cant be unconscious ..

that is why gods cannot change, they are absolute freedom out of their necessary moves, so they insist on being through powers over anything and everything else to stay out positively what they will always be the same ...

that is why any god cant move but as extreme negative source to else so to existence in opposites terms through killing its fact first
that is how from ever billions of years life of gods is through worse dirty animals willing ends and through the most disgusting things ends... always..

the mean is not god it is the truth which prevail on all and gods of course too

truth will force gods to limit their freedom, the truth will force it, like they are forcing true things ... while truth will force them for truth rights when existence cant be but exclusively in true reality of present freedom values

like existence must be free, so only in truth of infinite value of being constant ends 

then rights out of truth existence rights would be positive free wills


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: absols]
    #19208137 - 11/30/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

All is god
but not everyone know they are god

God created man in his name
But then man wanted knowledge, ultimative knowledge
Couldnt get enough, which led to separation and suffering


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: lessismore]
    #19208178 - 11/30/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

are you talking about yourself or about me ?? if neither why are we talking about them, aren't we also conscious beings in humans condition??

you love to think that all is one, and one is all for simplification that become to an edge obvious evil means

all cannot be one, it is by definition plural present existence ends, and one is definitely only one itself

otherwise it would be called something else

this rejection of logics I guess is for your love to powers

no one can create others beings, when being is what it does first alone and second being is always out of else recognition of existence, so out of reality, being real

how can you take these beliefs as absolute facts ? do you picture yourself creating others ?? and how are you a god ??


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: absols]
    #19208179 - 11/30/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it's not what you get but how you get it


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: eve69]
    #19208201 - 11/30/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

what is there to get according to you ??


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: absols]
    #19208206 - 11/30/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

oriented
& it's always different.


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19208223 - 11/30/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
oriented
& it's always different.



can you expand on that.. I don't see what it means ??


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: absols]
    #19208491 - 11/30/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

according to me what there is to get is
to get oriented.
maybe I should say re-oriented.
the bottom falls out of your context every three seconds more or less,
but if you are swinging from branch to branch as per habit, they you may not particularly notice that you are not on solid footing.
but if you try to keep still, and are in a good situation
(you could say free - unmolested - unchained)
then very soon you will be disconnected - from reacting to prompts, and so
what is left is
to re-orient
or re-awaken
to what is
and who you are
and then the footing is gone again...


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19208990 - 11/30/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you think that else is to reorient you ... this is your positive sense in knowing else being existing
as if you cant enjoy existing but through inheriting something like some powers could clarify it for you

to me it is wrong because it is not the truth

you are only of what you realize now .. and you cant realize anything but through else existence recognition first, it is the way to be real objectively, out of our absolute isolation as being else present free will, once real freedom out of it is relative always, then it is never about you nor yourself but always about facts you can see and prove objectively

a lot of people are in love with powers .. I can understand that

because we are inherently so always out of knowing being ways lesser then infinite facts.. because we came out later out of nothing as free wills.. and because what is first is always now more ..

but also because we are not able of any alone we need support constantly

so that make us not superior in truth nor in being.. that is why I guess a lot would prefer to get confused with maximum powers as to compensate the lack of being true

I know how I am objective because I am very honest actively too

so I know how powers is always evil abuse and how the one you mean to direct you, is the one that mean to take all from you

anyway, we cant agree because I can see that you love the idea of god ..

and when it is a will then it is free so out of all logics

like even to me, when I hate everything I invent something else only for me careless about everything then ... so I know when there is no words left to say to another


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: absols]
    #19210001 - 11/30/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

hey absols,
if you are writing that message to me, you are way off base.
what language are you translating from anyway?


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19210061 - 11/30/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
according to me what there is to get is
to get oriented.
maybe I should say re-oriented.
the bottom falls out of your context every three seconds more or less,
but if you are swinging from branch to branch as per habit, they you may not particularly notice that you are not on solid footing.
but if you try to keep still, and are in a good situation
(you could say free - unmolested - unchained)
then very soon you will be disconnected - from reacting to prompts, and so
what is left is
to re-orient
or re-awaken
to what is
and who you are
and then the footing is gone again...



Not sure what anybody of you talk about ;-P but that is the good thing about philosophy sometimes
but if it is spirituality/being aware, then I like to notice that happiness is inside from being oneself, and appreciate what I got

when I am myself I dont need anything :-)


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: lessismore]
    #19210114 - 11/30/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Mio. That is right.it isa terrific holiday when you are yourself like that.


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19210168 - 11/30/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

that is why less is more

the mind constantly wants something, but if living with less, there is often more appreciation
simple lifestyle i.e.

or just being aware that what you have you enjoy, then you can be rich and enjoy it

unfortunately it is often so that when you have it all, most enjoyment fades
when you have nothing and get something there is much appreciation

i.e. a nice big couch if you never had a couch before :wink:
your first bicycle, car, apartment
food on the table if you dont get to eat each day(or if fasting/eating very little)
new clothes if you dont get to buy new clothes very often/maybe only once a year max

I think it is called gratefulness, and mindfulness , appreciation of what one has

I like running Linux too... with that I dont need a new PC or a new monitor
my PC is 12 years old, but I dont feel like upgrading ;-)
when everybody else throws their old pc out, I buy their old pc for a few bucks, that which they often paid $3k for , for $50-$100 used

Free software, Free society ;-)
no need to sacrifice my freedom to be like everyone else(run windows i.e.), I run against the stream instead
dont watch tv, dont listen to the radio etc.
Mckenna actually says it well.. make your own culture, your own thoughts, then it is easier to not need anything

Guitar is another great thing to learn... it is only about appreciation, stops time
houseplants,pets,guitar,nature everyday, no bad days
youtube.com/watch?v=leAy6yzelm0 :-) , if I could play like that I wouldnt need anything


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    #19210259 - 11/30/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think you are reading to much into it.

It may seem that a man who smoothly moves through his practiced routines really knows himself. All he knows it's that his performance is tight.

He is a smòoth dude.

All he knows it's that he is doing a good job swinging from branch to branch in his routine.

It is still quite a bit of work to seem so nonchalant and effortless.

Little room for awareness.

Lots of scrambling if a branch breaks while swinging along.

But that it's when the special thing can happen.
One can wake up.
One can reorient.

Maybe this is what absols is thinking of. The chance to decide what to do next rather than just continue being an automaton.


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    #19210297 - 11/30/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Without LSD I wouldnt have gotten to appreciate things as much as I do I think, but it still made me face all my problems first - quite unpleasant, took a few years

awakening can be a wake up call for many

the difference from people who have done psychedelics and people who havent is often that they realize they have full control over their thoughts and actions
they can change anything at will to get to where they want, everything isnt just a plot against them trying to get them down :wink:

change is the hard part, but when being aware of the subconscious change is easier to visualize often

I notice that when I am happy, I am doing as good as I can, continue doing that
when I am not, I must be doing something wrong - something needs to be changed

btw to absols.. I didnt speak of God as a man in the sky
but god in terms of our own reality, we can change anything we chose at will, and we can never convince others to change their reality easily because they are gods in terms of their own reality too - they wont accept change from others easily

learning to accept is hard, just as hard as changing

to appreciate everything again, we must often change ourselves

to change oneself one must realize what one is doing wrong against oneself, when was the last time I was truly happy and why? why am I not happy right now?
who am I inside, who am I outside? - am I afraid to be who I really am?


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    #19210658 - 11/30/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

this is the thing, to me you are lying..all what you are saying is obviously not honest nor related in anyways to the facts

I can see how you enjoy pretending knowing everything better and meaning all for that..it is easy to say that from an individual point of vu which has nothing to do, but it doesn't mean anything..and it is not the fact

No, like I said, I would never mean any next thingy..there is no next step, only freedom rights, the right to be relative the relative to expect some of else recognition the right of nothing but what is there still .. as any human being real knows the price of being real relatively, of having to care about a lot of things once realizing being present as the fact .. it is not about speculations nor fun anymore ..

the value of reality is freedom, the value of freedom is reality ... both are related like being same thing, this is the form of truth, same outside and inside where it would logically end like being totally else ..

that is why the more freedom is the fact the more positive is reality

the more absolutes constancy is the fact the more individual freedoms are infinitely coming out

the problem is what you don't know, how the more I say things like that, the more I know how it is nothing to what is really happening away from all I could know .. what it means to know truth what truth could mean being existing ..

while most of everyone, the more they know the more they become everything

which again show how there is no evolution nor change..it is always more the same first .. evolution is only out of new freedoms, totally else generation ...

why do I have to feel sorry ?? what I say applies on me mostly

while the fact that it is just words for you, wont touch you anywhere

we are opposites ..

to me, saying that you must become different or you must feel obliged to do things.. is about evil wills, no one do anything .. and facts are of free constancy's ends.. actually the more you don't care the more you mean nothing the best that would be ...

saying what you say, to me means forces you are happy to work with .. like how would you know what is best and that you must be reoriented.. since you are saying being nonchalant and jumping from a branch to another ... and what branches ?? how existing has any relation with trees ?? or being on a tree .. to me it is a disgusting picture .. what is that living thing on a tree but disease ...

a tree is a beautiful sight only from what we know that it is all about its being fact ... never about its branches to serve others invasions on.. nor to mean the value of others by its own being...

you see the issue is big.. that is why I keep trying to bring it to its bases or even to invent ends to.. because it is only a mess when I read your ways of seeing .. lot of different wrong from all the confusions for the same mean done

to you, profiting from another or others is normal ..

to me NEVER ! when another is better, then it means that it exists then its existence is only about it alone in respect to truth freedom too

to me it is the fundamental secret.. of all rights ending being alright

the recognition right of what objectively exist, making the perspective getting back spontaneously and then becoming too existing real so also free abstraction so on ... making the whole true and ending positive constantly as it cant be but through superior ways to resolve the issue of plural independent existence, so true existence values presence of beings real

what is superior is what would keep meaning its freedom from superiority, knowing that superiority is a fact of constancy and how its fact of being is to its own right origins to realize objectively or not... but that should never be an excuse for abuse .. when any is supposedly true too

you insist how all is one and one is for all, so the confusion of everything to kill freedoms and true realities value

I am not judging you at all.. I am just replying philosophically speaking..

gods especially religions ones.. want to kill truth powers on realities realms, by playing being none like objective sources ... which are not necessarily right but they are at least in that true... so those gods want to appear being the same by abusing the positions of powers they have on us, such miserable and desperate conscious of animals beings fucked infinitely... that is why even you talk about yourselves and humans as if you are animals in need of everything even to be fucked and get ruled ...
or the way of talking to anyone is to remind him that he cant know anything because he is in pain and can easily appear as a fool to fool ..

there is no such thing as invisible powers meaning to do some good to you

nor that there are some powers happy to execute your wishes and means ..as soon as you make them clear .. MERDE !!

what is there clearly in powers is EVIL

say it that is all ... EVIL are ruling all and any .. we cannot fight it ..but when evil is what kills truth value then saying it to oneself is good

so gods are after absolute control on us and it is the heaven and hell execution of plans for the end of time..where obviously hells is to good people and heaven to bad ones .. gods mean to get control to get all the benefit of truth to them so to cut else rights to be in relation with truth value

it is not about awakening any, it is the opposite.. totally about killing everyone as it is the end of a system, that gods want to control fully dreaming about making it forever their life out of existence truth

that is how heaven is about their free life through bad kind
and hell is for rights of else in truth

gods are one always more, they are never none ... so they cant listen to any nor that they could recognize others beings


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: lessismore]
    #19210743 - 12/01/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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mio said:
Without LSD I wouldnt have gotten to appreciate things as much as I do I think, but it still made me face all my problems first - quite unpleasant, took a few years

awakening can be a wake up call for many

the difference from people who have done psychedelics and people who havent is often that they realize they have full control over their thoughts and actions
they can change anything at will to get to where they want, everything isnt just a plot against them trying to get them down :wink:

change is the hard part, but when being aware of the subconscious change is easier to visualize often

I notice that when I am happy, I am doing as good as I can, continue doing that
when I am not, I must be doing something wrong - something needs to be changed

btw to absols.. I didnt speak of God as a man in the sky
but god in terms of our own reality, we can change anything we chose at will, and we can never convince others to change their reality easily because they are gods in terms of their own reality too - they wont accept change from others easily

learning to accept is hard, just as hard as changing

to appreciate everything again, we must often change ourselves

to change oneself one must realize what one is doing wrong against oneself, when was the last time I was truly happy and why? why am I not happy right now?
who am I inside, who am I outside? - am I afraid to be who I really am?




this is not changing when your reference is the same happiness

you are your positive sense to realize, you are your end as positive still

and to mean doing wrong against yourself is to be real first.. but believers are never real since they are ones out of everything, like gods

so you cant know what is against yourself when you aren't a self thing among other things beings real

you try to imagine being like god.. for your full happiness always..careless about anything else or others rights careless about facts in truth so existence of everything that must be through opposites edges being then .. where right and wrong are one with positive and negative too

what matter is the door open to evil forces.. what really is never to be happy nor to be anyone .. just enjoying being from destroying else

this is what you do through your god.. you open wider the gate for evil to live over others rights.. while it should be on you too


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    #19210861 - 12/01/13 12:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

there are many ways to be

personally I believe buddhism says it well

just be

for some religion works, for some philosophy or science works, for some doing charity works

but yeah.. if you destroy else there is no problem
excessive thoughts cause suffering often, worries i.e.

my happiness isnt limited to myself, so that being like god or else being unhappy is nonsense
I can chose to do most things I want and still be happy, as long as my happiness isnt limited to myself

but dualism vs non-dualism is about what you talk about..
non-dualism is usually without suffering, if we live with dualism we must usually suffer a bit

then we are back to acceptance again

chose happiness by thoughts
think positively, no need to be like god, just be positive

but being like god is a possibility, you can be like Buddha too if you want
it is usually not something you should think about, but you can realize your buddha nature/god nature
those are just names..

I dont need to discount religion to be happy, I think buddhism,hinduism,christianity,islam etc. all got something worth to learn from, if fit to own experience

nothing is excepted, not even religion, it might be true in another reference frame :-)


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    #19210890 - 12/01/13 12:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

ok I will stop arguing with you here since you seem too much attached to your set of beliefs

but I will say just one sentence about your last post, you are clearly proving thinking being for itself.. so not truly.. when truth is about being because truth is being so you are only the freedom out of all known or seen

that is why you can force such wrong means against others or else or all

while it would have better then to admit at least that truth about yourself so you will stop to generalize your statements on all

true suffer exist, so it is never about some reasons of meaning it that you don't mean
there is nothing like some people must suffer a bit to realize themselves ...

anyways I cannot prove that to you since it is by definition about else, whether the suffering being true, or what others freedoms are about ..

but what is sure, is what you are generalizing something about yourself only while you are barely limiting it to yourself

now you can say whatever you want, I wont reply.. you will have the last word

I hate how you see gods as superior thing or worse, good thing

humans are precious because they are out of relative beings..which is the right way

the abstraction necessary to realize to be still same out of absolute freedom, gods ways, and out of objective being, superior ways .. that abstraction is right existence in truth way .. like what freedom out of all being and being out of all freedom is the same oneself ...
how relative is the existence truth because of the necessity to be through else rights recognitions too


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    #19211210 - 12/01/13 04:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You promised to stop arguing 10 times already in this thread


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    #19211268 - 12/01/13 05:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's your own fault for encouraging it. :haha:


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    #19211285 - 12/01/13 05:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #19211304 - 12/01/13 06:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you are surely ready to be in hell .. well for you it is surely heaven ..
you can be a worm for real.. not a worm on some tree .. no absolutes no images anymore .. only lies forces now and forever worse more

that is why you should stop meaning absolutes for real

stop confusing your being with what you do for living ..


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    #19211330 - 12/01/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

because...


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: absols]
    #19211343 - 12/01/13 06:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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what is there to get according to you ??




uh, lots of things, friendship and love are the best,
but you can be given love my really awful people
who love you then roll you then butthole you
so it's not all love that we want people are all like
i want love love lvoe leove love lurve lovey loverly love
until that love wants to tie them up for bondage
even then sometimes

what's the saying, it's not what you give it's how you give it
sure going down on your partner might be usual
but if it's something they really like isn't sometimes the boring
solution the best?  I am talking here more a giver than taker.
I know I am really base level crass when doting on sex
(it is in keeping with my nick), and some of you tots and twats
don't have much experience yet, but believe me,
before you're all through you'll be begging whores to somebody
so again, and again and again

meaning is developed through repetition
if you're gonna do something do it gooooooood
that's the best giving and taking
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    #19211370 - 12/01/13 06:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

there is get as in obtaining a commodity, and you can be looking at love or experience this way. still they are not commodities,
they are living stories, and it is better to be in a good story than a crappy one
- so I agree there is much value in love, and in mystery; I adore a great love story with plenty of mystery.

and then there is get, as in "get it?".
in which to get means to understand or at least "see the meaning of" or even some "glimmer of meaningfulness",
and that is where I am highlighting something obvious that is quickly forgotten; which is that as quickly as you get it, you must let go of it, since underlying all of 'it' is change.
'it' shifts.

And for that kind of intelligence to work, let there be no absolutes, no heaven, no hell, no terminal state, just the ongoing story of living.


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    #19211498 - 12/01/13 08:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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eve69 said:
Quote:

absols said:
what is there to get according to you ??




uh, lots of things, friendship and love are the best,
but you can be given love my really awful people
who love you then roll you then butthole you
so it's not all love that we want people are all like
i want love love lvoe leove love lurve lovey loverly love
until that love wants to tie them up for bondage
even then sometimes

what's the saying, it's not what you give it's how you give it
sure going down on your partner might be usual
but if it's something they really like isn't sometimes the boring
solution the best?  I am talking here more a giver than taker.
I know I am really base level crass when doting on sex
(it is in keeping with my nick), and some of you tots and twats
don't have much experience yet, but believe me,
before you're all through you'll be begging whores to somebody
so again, and again and again

meaning is developed through repetition
if you're gonna do something do it gooooooood
that's the best giving and taking
doing it goooood




when it is about your life how is it a principle for everyone ?? it is weird that insistence now to possess anything even philosophy by any opposite belief ..

it shows that it is the end .. all is confused for worse ..and isolations..

when for you the sense is to love another, then you are proving being living through lies force

loving is nothing to mean, it is really weird how all must be too easy for you .. you don't respect anything concerning infinite existence ..

it is easy to be nice to anyone.. a lot of people do that .. you mean to force the idea of possessing everything while claiming that they love you .. so you can still in powers over all in your mind, for all one exhibited face..

anyway love cannot be the sense .. the sense is to infinite existence , which is by relating reality value with freedom value, through being right terms like being same in truth.. so existence is exclusively about true individuals free realizations ..

again, loving someone is easy to conceive, like if you really like something about another you can point it through yourself right .. and be it for you so you can enjoy it in everybody else more in truth of it through you.. now if you really love others or another presence then, you can enjoy its presence more by being totally independent from each others as totally clearly individually else right objectively if it was true ..and seeking to meet through objective neutral ground from what each do realize out of himself ..

so you see there is no logical reason that could justify those confusions you mean with everything and others but lies .. for powers over objective existence by starting of putting down true known existing things to step upon ..this is the evil way, by the way

anyways it is over.. all is to be proven down forever .. new order from up that never existed and need to be real .. then out of that reality new freedoms new free wills but nothing of now nor what already ever existed.. even me I belong to old generation to die down.. so you cant use means to justify what is existence or your life .. it is all free you can kill or you can attack everything if you want .. it is over you must die like everything old ..dying forever

you can be lucky as you apparently mean god, that evil shit is making heaven of bad people at that end and hell of good people like me ..

it doesn't matter.. that is why what I type I mean it philosophically because it is free hobby .. passing time in dying time..

like what you say choosing to make sex freely at your end.. but it is your end choice way.. your end alone .. stop thinking that at the end you can still be one and all and forcing others to your lies and life terms ..

I don't know you, so I cant be against you.. it is only what I hate how subjective wills could be said being everyone .. like I guess you hate how objective means could be said being everything ..

now it doesn't matter to justify anything.. anyone can be what he wants ..

we are dying all forever


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Re: It's not what you get... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19211548 - 12/01/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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there is get as in obtaining a commodity, and you can be looking at love or experience this way. still they are not commodities,
they are living stories, and it is better to be in a good story than a crappy one
- so I agree there is much value in love, and in mystery; I adore a great love story with plenty of mystery.

and then there is get, as in "get it?".
in which to get means to understand or at least "see the meaning of" or even some "glimmer of meaningfulness",
and that is where I am highlighting something obvious that is quickly forgotten; which is that as quickly as you get it, you must let go of it, since underlying all of 'it' is change.
'it' shifts.

And for that kind of intelligence to work, let there be no absolutes, no heaven, no hell, no terminal state, just the ongoing story of living.




what living ?? you are through mortal conditions.. so your life do start by another death so objective murder .. and when it is time for you to die it is going to benefit others too.. while your state would be terminal ..

it is time of being consciously in the fact of life.. so life reactions too and life reasons wills out of conscious beings too .. but at your or our level .. it is to face yourself condition for conscious that prevail in truth ..you cannot stay through lies consciously even if that is what you want .. the same fact of always is now more real .. that is all to get .. which is nothing to get of truth, since negative end


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    #19211576 - 12/01/13 08:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #19211610 - 12/01/13 09:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I am a worm





You have convinced me.  I wonder what I am? :confused:


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    #19211696 - 12/01/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #19216145 - 12/02/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

why?


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