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Compassion
    #19205589 - 11/29/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Years ago a racquetball acquaintance had a psychotic break with no apparent trigger, and assaulted me. I almost caved his head in with my racquet. What saved both of us was his 10 year old daughter coming between us in tears.

I never got an apology for the unprovoked attack and unsurprisingly refused to get on the court with him for a long time.

A few days ago, he had a mini-stroke on the court while playing doubles with me and two others - beet-red face, blurred vision, searing headache, weakness and loss of coordination. After resting up for a minute he wanted to continue playing. I evaluated his motor skills and the symptoms and refused to keep playing. I gave my amateur diagnosis and I offered to drive him home or to a medical center. He insisted on driving himself despite my protestations.

I called him yesterday and asked if he had got an appointment or seen a doctor yet. He answered in the negative, but appreciated my concern.

The point of this thread is that here was someone who previously had wished me serious bodily harm and all I felt was empathy for another person in pain and possible danger.

Where is my revenge gene? :crankey:


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Re: Compassion [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19205598 - 11/29/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm sorry Bro.  I have compassion for your not caving his head in and going to prison. You might have liked it there.  Cause they fuck you real good and then they die and you're like, damn, I missed that dick.  Hated and loved at the same time. Is that what it felt like?

I heard of compassion once - that's where the point of the compass add up.  Or like the passion of the compass. It's sort of like the passion of the Cross, but rounder.


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Re: Compassion [Re: eve69]
    #19205617 - 11/29/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



"You better show some love or I am gonna fuck you up!"


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Re: Compassion [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19205710 - 11/29/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

you need stem cells transplanted from more creepy squash players if you want to be fully revengeful.
or course then you may be on anti rejection drugs for the rest of your life.


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Re: Compassion [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 3
    #19205772 - 11/29/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Years ago a racquetball acquaintance had a psychotic break with no apparent trigger, and assaulted me. I almost caved his head in with my racquet. What saved both of us was his 10 year old daughter coming between us in tears.

I never got an apology for the unprovoked attack and unsurprisingly refused to get on the court with him for a long time.

A few days ago, he had a mini-stroke on the court while playing doubles with me and two others - beet-red face, blurred vision, searing headache, weakness and loss of coordination. After resting up for a minute he wanted to continue playing. I evaluated his motor skills and the symptoms and refused to keep playing. I gave my amateur diagnosis and I offered to drive him home or to a medical center. He insisted on driving himself despite my protestations.

I called him yesterday and asked if he had got an appointment or seen a doctor yet. He answered in the negative, but appreciated my concern.

The point of this thread is that here was someone who previously had wished me serious bodily harm and all I felt was empathy for another person in pain and possible danger.

Where is my revenge gene? :crankey:





It was absorbed by your huge self importance gene.


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Re: Compassion [Re: Icelander] * 2
    #19205825 - 11/29/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:lolsy:

I can see OC on the racquetball court egging the dude on... "WHERE'S YOUR GOD NOW BIAATCH!"


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Re: Compassion [Re: Hobozen]
    #19206396 - 11/29/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Despite my online persona, there was no taunting or teasing the day of the attack. Actually the dude is very religious. He doesn't like cursing on the court; just violence.

He is also a former pro player (#28) and I have only beat him once in singles over the years. It would be like a recreational player trying to beat Andre Agassi in tennis or you playing one-on-one b-ball against Michael Jordan.


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Re: Compassion [Re: Icelander]
    #19206405 - 11/29/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It was absorbed by your huge self importance gene.




While humorous, I am not sure if your point was that I should have kept everyone playing in the hopes that he keeled over

or

I should not have mentioned an intriguing self-observation on a philosophy forum and should have posted the usual tripe instead.


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Re: Compassion [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19207345 - 11/30/13 04:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That was cool of you to let it go o.c. Any time i feel like my revenge gene is missing i know its because my love, and understanding/compassion genes are in full force.

Alot of times i feel i can "understand" why someone did something....or i can picture myself doing it too. Then i feel love and compassion for the other person and i just think: "poor sucker". Obviously every case is different, and sometimes a proper beatdown is in order.

I try to stay somewhere in between :cool:


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Re: Compassion [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19207364 - 11/30/13 04:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
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It was absorbed by your huge self importance gene.




While humorous, I am not sure if your point was that I should have kept everyone playing in the hopes that he keeled over

or

I should not have mentioned an intriguing self-observation on a philosophy forum and should have posted the usual tripe instead.




You decide.  At least we know there was humor.


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Re: Compassion [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #19207369 - 11/30/13 04:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That was cool of you to let it go o.c. Any time i feel like my revenge gene is missing i know its because my love, and understanding/compassion genes are in full force.

Alot of times i feel i can "understand" why someone did something....or i can picture myself doing it too. Then i feel love and compassion for the other person and i just think: "poor sucker". Obviously every case is different, and sometimes a proper beatdown is in order.

I try to stay somewhere in between :cool:





If one were to actually be going to make a case for a lack of a revenge gene this would not be a decent example. The lack of action in physical reality could be do to other motivations besides compassion. :wink:  What would be telling is if one never imagined or fantasized about getting revenge ever.  Let's see OC claim that. :monkeydance:


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Re: Compassion [Re: Icelander]
    #19207472 - 11/30/13 06:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Through my extensive scientific research I have yet to discover the revenge gene
:lol:

What would be telling is if one never imagined or fantasized about getting revenge ever.

Very freaking true ice. It takes a lot for me to imagine beating someone down, let alone do it. The rare times i do imagine it, the duration is much briefer for me these days. :cool:


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Re: Compassion [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19207589 - 11/30/13 07:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Years ago a racquetball acquaintance had a psychotic break with no apparent trigger, and assaulted me. I almost caved his head in with my racquet. What saved both of us was his 10 year old daughter coming between us in tears.

I never got an apology for the unprovoked attack and unsurprisingly refused to get on the court with him for a long time.

A few days ago, he had a mini-stroke on the court while playing doubles with me and two others - beet-red face, blurred vision, searing headache, weakness and loss of coordination. After resting up for a minute he wanted to continue playing. I evaluated his motor skills and the symptoms and refused to keep playing. I gave my amateur diagnosis and I offered to drive him home or to a medical center. He insisted on driving himself despite my protestations.

I called him yesterday and asked if he had got an appointment or seen a doctor yet. He answered in the negative, but appreciated my concern.

The point of this thread is that here was someone who previously had wished me serious bodily harm and all I felt was empathy for 

another person in pain and possible danger.

Where is my revenge gene? :crankey:




reaction cannot be of genes, it is up of being present

so what you don't react at the instant cant concern the revenge means

that is why you could mean revenge out of the instant, only when it really touched you negatively, which is like I said not physical since the present is not the body it is the conscious of being

also we can say how offering help could mean yourself superiority, so your different revenge terms.. a lot of people enjoy getting revenge by being more positive, and I guess a lot of people hates it, that is why intelligent people refuse to take anything from others

but of course I believe what you mean being compassion
but it is also more about yourself, caring for humans present health is mainly because of being human yourself

what would confirm it, if he is a kind of person that really want to get some help or not
if he cares about his health a lot then I guess you proved to yourself being compassionate relatively for sure since it is what that person mean and not yourself

I don't think there is something that can be called compassion in existence realms as constant facts, unless own kids or others we truly care about

but it says how you cant be evil, in the sense that you can mean objective facts like him being a human before anything else, so you are neutral originally and not out of meaning only seeing yourself states, you can care for what is happening around you too, as if you recognize that others exist and could be present out of the same facts you see yourself caring about, like pain and conditions of being threats..

but if you invented that example to mean some stories in favor of god  or something then you cant be but evil, since clearly you would be by reversing facts, so through lies superiority over truth

 


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Re: Compassion [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #19207592 - 11/30/13 07:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It was OC wanting to avoid the beat down in racquetball over the years.  Assaulted you how?  Verbally?  Punched you?  Caving someones head in with your racket seems like a multiplying effect if I remember this story correctly.  You felt threatened, your reaction is to kill someone with a racket.  Gotcha.

Compassion for what, not letting this guy hurt himself further that day.  Good judgement, and positive action?  Good call.  Calling him back to check up later, now you are getting closer to real empathy and concern for this guy.


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Re: Compassion [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19213890 - 12/01/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Years ago a racquetball acquaintance had a psychotic break with no apparent trigger, and assaulted me. I almost caved his head in with my racquet. What saved both of us was his 10 year old daughter coming between us in tears.

I never got an apology for the unprovoked attack and unsurprisingly refused to get on the court with him for a long time.

A few days ago, he had a mini-stroke on the court while playing doubles with me and two others - beet-red face, blurred vision, searing headache, weakness and loss of coordination. After resting up for a minute he wanted to continue playing. I evaluated his motor skills and the symptoms and refused to keep playing. I gave my amateur diagnosis and I offered to drive him home or to a medical center. He insisted on driving himself despite my protestations.

I called him yesterday and asked if he had got an appointment or seen a doctor yet. He answered in the negative, but appreciated my concern.

The point of this thread is that here was someone who previously had wished me serious bodily harm and all I felt was empathy for another person in pain and possible danger.

Where is my revenge gene? :crankey:




I think empathy is often mislabeled and misinterpreted. To me it means suffering because someone else is suffering. I think compassion trumps empathy in that you feel for them but at the end of the day it's one more dead monkey instead of getting so upset at the fact their family are stressing, their life is coming to the end etc. If you can have the perspective that they suffer and by direct proxy their friends and family suffer, then without getting too wrapped up in the whole thing you can have compassion without empathy which means that you understand and feel for them except it doesnt have to make you feel bad. The whole thing of having no empathy makes you a psychopath is a misunderstood generalist myth. How the fuck would the people without that state of mind have any clue at all what it's like?


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Re: Compassion [Re: lolwut] * 2
    #19214034 - 12/01/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Actually when you sympathize with somebody, you are acknowledging somebody else's troubles and are providing them comfort.....  You may have never personally experienced anything like what they're going through... When you empathize, you are able to recognize the emotions of somebody else because you felt them yourself at some point, and thus understand them personally.  It's the ability to relate with somebody else because you've been there, neither really implies that you are taking on their burden :sorry:.


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