|
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
|
mico-padawan
Psychonaut



Registered: 09/11/10
Posts: 93
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
|
What to do with P. viridis after Ayahuasca brew?
#19205519 - 11/29/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I am currently brewing my dmt portion of ayahuasca (P. viridis 140g).
After the 3rd pull/brew can I dry it out and do an A/B tek and get some dmt out of it?
Or will all the dmt be in the brew?
-------------------- Take me again to the place my body wanders and my mind is free. Let me venture into the spirit realm, to the place where all life starts and all life returns.
|
Icyus
KavitārkikasiṃHa



Registered: 11/07/13
Posts: 3,502
Loc: Inbetween.
Last seen: 8 years, 1 month
|
Re: What to do with P. viridis after Ayahuasca brew? [Re: mico-padawan]
#19205532 - 11/29/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
This is the best advise I could ever give; do what you think is right
-------------------- And thus begins the reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.
|
404
error


Registered: 08/20/10
Posts: 14,539
|
Re: What to do with P. viridis after Ayahuasca brew? [Re: mico-padawan] 1
#19205544 - 11/29/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
dmt should be in the brew. personally i wouldnt waste my time money and effort on extraction, you probably wont get anything if at all in yield.
|
mico-padawan
Psychonaut



Registered: 09/11/10
Posts: 93
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
|
Re: What to do with P. viridis after Ayahuasca brew? [Re: 404]
#19205554 - 11/29/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Right on, thanks SOM. :-)
-------------------- Take me again to the place my body wanders and my mind is free. Let me venture into the spirit realm, to the place where all life starts and all life returns.
|
404
error


Registered: 08/20/10
Posts: 14,539
|
Re: What to do with P. viridis after Ayahuasca brew? [Re: mico-padawan]
#19205574 - 11/29/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
PS, i would love a link to your brew method... i've been wanting to try aya for a loooong time now... thanks in advance
|
mico-padawan
Psychonaut



Registered: 09/11/10
Posts: 93
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
|
Re: What to do with P. viridis after Ayahuasca brew? [Re: 404] 1
#19205753 - 11/29/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
There's no link. I got my brew method from a very credible source. They said--->
Brew the dmt portion first. Put all the P. Viridis in a glass stove top useable pot. Add enough distilled water to cover the Viridis. Add 1 tablespoon of vinegar (white or apple cider vinegar, as they both have acidic content of 5%) this aids in the dmt going into the brew. Bring it to a near boil several times over the course of 3hrs. Let that sit over night. Strain off the brew and repeat for a total of 3brews (use the teaspoon of vinegar each time).
Brew the MAOI portion last (B. Caapi) for the same amount of time. No need for the vinegar here.
Reduce both brews to desired drinking portions. Let cool.
Drink the Caapi 15-25 mins before you drink the Viridis. This allows the MAO in your liver and kidneys to be neutralized by the MAOI.
For my current brew, I am using 140g P. Viridis (70g for myself and a friend). 100g B. Caapi (50g for myself and a friend).
-------------------- Take me again to the place my body wanders and my mind is free. Let me venture into the spirit realm, to the place where all life starts and all life returns.
|
404
error


Registered: 08/20/10
Posts: 14,539
|
Re: What to do with P. viridis after Ayahuasca brew? [Re: mico-padawan]
#19205814 - 11/29/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Very nice! i dont mean to the thread, but how strong is this current ratio? is it STRONG and completely immersive? or is there some room to play with it?
|
mico-padawan
Psychonaut



Registered: 09/11/10
Posts: 93
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
|
Re: What to do with P. viridis after Ayahuasca brew? [Re: 404]
#19206185 - 11/29/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
It's strong! :-)
25g P. Viridis= low dose 50g= medium 75g= holy fucking shit!!!
So, 70g per person should be a real deal journey.
-------------------- Take me again to the place my body wanders and my mind is free. Let me venture into the spirit realm, to the place where all life starts and all life returns.
|
Joker Flash


Registered: 04/11/13
Posts: 334
|
Re: What to do with P. viridis after Ayahuasca brew? [Re: mico-padawan]
#19206226 - 11/29/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Awesome thanks for the recipe as well! On my list of things to do. Good vibes on your trip
|
DirtyTomFlint
( ಥـْـِـِـِـْಥ)




Registered: 11/26/13
Posts: 1,879
Loc: United Kingdom
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
|
Re: What to do with P. viridis after Ayahuasca brew? [Re: Joker Flash]
#19206257 - 11/29/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Dope recipe, let us know how the trip turns out!
--------------------
   Know Your Body, Know Your Mind, Know Your Substance, Know Your Source
|
404
error


Registered: 08/20/10
Posts: 14,539
|
Re: What to do with P. viridis after Ayahuasca brew? [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
#19206446 - 11/29/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
ya, im gonna third that, GOOD VIBES! tell us of your travels :-)
|
lwheidt
the bridgesii guy



Registered: 08/11/08
Posts: 204
Last seen: 1 year, 4 days
|
Re: What to do with P. viridis after Ayahuasca brew? [Re: 404]
#19206457 - 11/29/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Compost it.
-------------------- -bridgesii guy
|
Couperj



Registered: 06/05/11
Posts: 611
Loc: Umerika
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
|
Re: What to do with P. viridis after Ayahuasca brew? [Re: lwheidt]
#19206507 - 11/29/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
-------------------- (¯`'·.¸(♥)¸.·'´¯) But suddenly you're ripped into being alive. And life is pain, and life is suffering, and life is horror, but my god you are alive and it is spectacular!
|
s240779

Registered: 12/07/10
Posts: 12,880
Last seen: 3 months, 3 days
|
Re: What to do with P. viridis after Ayahuasca brew? [Re: mico-padawan]
#19207161 - 11/30/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Is ayahuasca less recreational, for lack of a better word, than shrooms? Or is it simply less popular?
Also, I've heard that ayahuasca is actually just a name for B. Caapi, and that P. Viridis is just an optional additive.
First heard this from a user on this forum and subsequently found the following source. Joe Rogan also mentioned in a podcast that he had heard this as well.
While some scientists might describe the Ayahuasca experience as merely an oral DMT experience activated by a beta carboline MAO inhibitor, this description is not accurate, for the healing processes at work within the medicine are far more complex, unquestionably due to the ayahuasca vine which is responsible for the transformative power of the Ayahuasca experience. One could easily point to the name of the medicine ["Ayahuasca" translates to "vine of souls"] to know that it is the vine that gives the brew its power, and this idea is supported by nearly every culture that uses ayahuasca in the Amazon Rainforest.
Here is a quote from Richard Evans Shultes, one of the earliest pioneers in ayahuasca research, describing merely the effects of the vine alone: “To this day, the natives of the north-west Amazon in Brazil and Colombia use the Banisteriopsis drink for prophetic and divinatory purposes and also to fortify the bravery of male adolescents about to undergo the severely painful yurupari ceremony for initiation into manhood. The narcosis amongst these peoples, with whom I have taken caapi on many occasions, is usually pleasant, characterized by visual hallucinations in color, which initially is very often a shade of blue or purple. In excessive doses, it is said to bring on frighteningly nightmarish visions and a feeling of extremely reckless abandon, although consciousness is not lost nor is use of the limbs unduly affected”.
Even though all ayahuasca vines are botanically classified as Banisteriopsis caapi, the curanderos classify them further, in reference to their effects. An example is cielo ayahuasca, which means sky or heaven ayahuasca, implying that its effect is of bringing one to celestial realms
[In my opinion, this last statement is odd and suspect, considering modern society has determined that one can have profound experiences from chemicals alone. Consider the following information:
Owsley examined marketing considerations and decided to vary the dye on the crystal, instead of using only one shade. He took five ordinary food colourings, as approved by the Food and Drug Administration for the food industry, and divided the LSD into 3,600 doses per gram. Each gram was split into five, mixed with dye and put into capsules. Although there was no difference between the capsules, the street dealers reported back that the users were giving the colours different qualities: red was considered laid back; green, frantic; and blue, the ideal compromise. Point Richmond began churning out 'Blue Cheer', as the capsules were dubbed by users.
Stewart Tendler and David May. The Brotherhood of Eternal Love. Chapter 6: Outlaw Days]
http://www.ayahuascaassociation.org/plants/ayahuasca-is-a-sacred-medicine
Edited by s240779 (11/30/13 01:41 AM)
|
mico-padawan
Psychonaut



Registered: 09/11/10
Posts: 93
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
|
Re: What to do with P. viridis after Ayahuasca brew? [Re: s240779]
#19207494 - 11/30/13 06:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
@Da2ra- Its way less"recreational" than shrooms. Because it's a different kind of experience. Far more immersive and in-depth. More spiritual, and the extended dmt portion of its effects are mindblowing. Tha caapi vine is a staple component in all ayahuasca.
As far as popularity, its basically way harder to attain ayahuasca than shrooms. Though I would say the masses of psychonauts are seeking out ayahuasca and dmt to achieve that level 5 experience. To go into another realm and find answers to questions that could help everyone.
-------------------- Take me again to the place my body wanders and my mind is free. Let me venture into the spirit realm, to the place where all life starts and all life returns.
|
lessismore
Registered: 02/10/13
Posts: 6,268
|
Re: What to do with P. viridis after Ayahuasca brew? [Re: mico-padawan]
#19207518 - 11/30/13 06:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
mico-padawan said: It's strong! :-)
25g P. Viridis= low dose 50g= medium 75g= holy fucking shit!!!
So, 70g per person should be a real deal journey. 
I got some B caapi and Pviridis (maybe 200g of each) someone gave me for free maybe 3-4 years ago
wonder what the taste is like and if you puke (also how long does it take to prepare?)
I want to maybe do a medium dose , or maybe high dose, since used to high doses of LSD over the years
is it worth it, what is the experience like compared to lsd/shrooms? they have been very spiritual to me,reconnected me with myself nature and others
|
mico-padawan
Psychonaut



Registered: 09/11/10
Posts: 93
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
|
Re: What to do with P. viridis after Ayahuasca brew? [Re: lessismore]
#19207530 - 11/30/13 06:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
The caapi tastes bitter. The viridis is a member of the tea family. Most people puke. Lol
The rest of your question can be answered by reading previous posts above. :-)
-------------------- Take me again to the place my body wanders and my mind is free. Let me venture into the spirit realm, to the place where all life starts and all life returns.
|
lessismore
Registered: 02/10/13
Posts: 6,268
|
Re: What to do with P. viridis after Ayahuasca brew? [Re: mico-padawan]
#19207587 - 11/30/13 07:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Yup :-) heh, too fast
I also got some watchmans coffee(guayusa) leaves at the same time, they taste surprisingly good, also "tea leaves" :-) did nothing though, but I think I had a lucid dream later that week (and supposedly one should drink it everyday, only tried once) maybe one of the best teas Ive tasted, surprised me a bit
rich in caffeine iirc, and brewed it extra strong&dark 
much better than Calea(dream herb) .. dont smoke or drink that if you value good tasting tea
|
Joker Flash


Registered: 04/11/13
Posts: 334
|
Re: What to do with P. viridis after Ayahuasca brew? [Re: s240779]
#19207767 - 11/30/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Aya needs two ingredients to be active, otherwise you just have a nasty jungle brew, a MAOI to make the brew active orally, and a plant teacher. Traditionally B. caapi is used to be the MAOI, and P. viridis is used to be the plant teacher. You could substitute syrian rue for B. caapi, or you could substitute mhrb for P. viridis, depending on what you have available. There's no exact recipe, just at least two necessary parts are required for a successful brew. I believe the reason the scientists were referring to the aya as B. caapi is because that could be the only ingredient they actually knew was in it. In almost every south american brew there is caapi included, but the sources of actives differ from tribe to tribe. So the caapi is an almost constant presence but the viridis could be replaced depending on where you get your recipe. As for the recreational or spiritual aspect of it I can't comment although I've heard it's not nearly a recreational experience as shrooms or acid.
|
s240779

Registered: 12/07/10
Posts: 12,880
Last seen: 3 months, 3 days
|
Re: What to do with P. viridis after Ayahuasca brew? [Re: Joker Flash]
#19208496 - 11/30/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I'm aware of the MAOI/DMT combo and which plant is which and which plants can be substituted for the traditional ones.
Caapi is psychoactive/visual on its own (see the two reports on page 88 in The Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants (Christian Rätsch, 2005).)
What I was saying is that people have alleged that technically, ayahuasca only needs the vine to be 'ayahuasca'. The Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants does not support this, however (the ayahuasca entry is on page 702).
One of the reasons for this allegation is that ayahuasca apparently means simply "vine of souls." (B. Caapi is a vine)
To bolster the claim that B. Caapi alone is psychoactive, I don't think there's any more credible source than Alexander Shulgin's experiment with a Syrian Rue infusion (both Rue and Caapi contain harmala alkaloids) This is from part one of TIHKAl, which isn't available on Erowid (only part two is available on Erowid.)
"I boiled one ounce (28 grams) of viable Peganum harmala seed for seven hours in a liter of water, removed the seeds, and boiled the extract down to half its volume. The mixture was brown, and bitter, and I drank it down. In about forty-five minutes, a pleasant lassitude took me over, and I sat so as to observe my environment. I noticed that the objects in my vision seemed to have multiple contours surrounding them. Even small body motions suggested nausea to me, so I retired to quiet, empty darkness. There commenced a gentle upwelling of hypnogogic imagery that was quite different from anything I was familiar with. There was a vision of seemingly abstract fractal patterns that quickly evolved into what reminded me of foliage that started close to me and then grew to fill the whole visual field. The original spiral patterns of organization evolved into realistic images (in shades of blue and green) of buses speeding through city streets, street corners, a busy supermarket. This visual phase lasted for almost an hour, at which point the nausea returned very strongly. Following vigorous vomiting, I felt quite relaxed again, but the visionary phase of the experiment seemed to have come to a close." (Pages 297-298)
Edited by s240779 (11/30/13 01:04 PM)
|
|