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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: imachavel]
#19321924 - 12/24/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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zappaisgod said: I really think that he just doesn't know anything about history and doesn't particularly care to know. The left are a generally incurious lot.. They want their handouts and don't think about what it will cost all of us to give it to them, even the recipients.
I belong neither to the right or left... I only care about what works and what doesnt. Right now i care about our economy, personally i am of the belief that more government spending = a more viibrant economy. to quote keynes...
Why? What do they spend on? Does government give small business loans the way a bank would?
And to be honest, if more government spending helped the economy, fine. But at almost $17 trillion debt, I don't think they should be spending a fucking penny extra then they absolutely have to.
I think the economy now is more messed up then ever before. When I was younger I remember the best job was the one everyone had, if everyone else was doing it and making money, then you would surely succeed in the same business. Now if everyone you know is doing the same job, you might as well forget ever coming close to that industry, as it's too competitive, in a major capitalistic world. I wonder what it will take for people to realize the true state of the world that has truly become of easily capitalist powers. There was a time when spending $2 billion took a lot of time and approval to go through and it was a big deal, and spending 1% of that would make newspaper headlines. Now Obama spends that much on a weekend golfing trip.
Hey Merry Christmas a little over 24 hours and this stupid holiday will finally be over. I wonder which corporate power made the most profit this Christmas. "Go out and buy a yacht for the ones you love, sharing and good tidings, spend your money here at our company."
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Stop whining
Look in the mirror. You wine about bums and them taking your tax money too much. You wine inconsistently, you could loop hole every tax dollar they take from you by building energy efficient houses and writing it off as a tax credit on your end year returns. Credits are dollar for dollar the only way to get a possibility of 100% of your taxes back. By the way charitable donations count as 100% returns. If you donate $10,000 you can get $10,000 back credited to you if you have a competent accountant.
Wake up, you deluded Bureaucrat always whining about Bureaucratic practices ruining your lively hood you support bureaucracy as much as ANYONE
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: imachavel]
#19322114 - 12/24/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Stop whining
Look in the mirror. You wine about bums and them taking your tax money too much. You wine inconsistently, you could loop hole every tax dollar they take from you by building energy efficient houses and writing it off as a tax credit on your end year returns. Credits are dollar for dollar the only way to get a possibility of 100% of your taxes back. By the way charitable donations count as 100% returns. If you donate $10,000 you can get $10,000 back credited to you if you have a competent accountant.
You know absolutely nothing about the tax code. If you donate 10,000 you get a deduction from your reported income after FICA. At most it would be a decrease in tax owed at the top income tax bracket percentage. Do you know what tax benefit I would get if I built only energy efficient houses? A lower income bracket because my income would tank.Quote:
Wake up, you deluded Bureaucrat always whining about Bureaucratic practices ruining your lively hood you support bureaucracy as much as ANYONE 
My livelihood? My livelihood is fine. How is yours? They are fucking the entire country. If you cap a person's earnings are you also going to cap stock prices? Bond yields? Patent awards? Get the fuck out of here with your bitter jealousy.
You should get a dictionary and look up bureaucrat. You obviously have no clue about what it means.
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19322438 - 12/24/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lets cap bill gate's wages, that means if you want to buy a copy of windows but he's already reached his profit cap, there just won't be any on the shelves and people will be scalping copies on ebay for 20x the price.
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19322439 - 12/24/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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This corporate personhood stupidity again? It is a legal fiction so that people can sue corporations. I have posted this numerous times but the ignorance persists like herpes. Do some people who produce arms get rich? La fucking der.
You deny the "equal protection" clause of the 14th Amendment? Its clause was invoked far more often on behalf of corporations than former slaves. Did you know the term "shoddy" came from the civil war, "Shoddy" millionaires was a derogatory term for the war profiteers in the North during the American Civil War . Allegedly, they supplied the Union army with faulty uniforms made from reprocessed "shoddy" wool rather than virgin wool. Shoddy millionaires also allegedly made shoes from cardboard that would dissolve when the soldiers marched in water or mud"
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From the very beginning, government representatives awarded contracts based not on the best product, or the fairest price, but on the highest bribe. As the war progressed, the problem became epidemic: during one week alone in November 1861, contractors in New York generated nearly $3 million in revenues from military deals. It would be easy to excuse a little corruption, or even a lot, if the result was high-quality equipment. But much of the contractors’ profit came from cutting corners. And with the government representatives more concerned with lining their own pockets than establishing a system of standards, there was little quality control over the goods that went into the field.
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The Civil War was an outgrowth of the Mexican War? You do know Grant was a famous drunk, right? National borders are almost all established through conquest and I have absolutely no intention of apologizing for it. Hell, I can't think of another instance where a country peacefully through purchase acquired huge swathes of territory (Louisiana Purchase and Alaska)
And he also defeated the south and probably spared the country 2 more years of warfare by his then unconventional approach to defeating the enemy army instead of simply taking and occupying territory. The way you belittle historical figures makes me think you have a giant ego. Are you calling the Texas war of independence and the mexican war a peaceful acquisition of land? It added more territory to slave holding states, the Mexican War drew our country into the civil war. This is what Grant is showing.
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How awesomely perceptive you must think you are.
And every rebuttal you make could fit on a box of cereal, A sentence, maybe two. You clearly bring so much to the discussion.
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Shins]
#19322458 - 12/24/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shins said: Lets cap bill gate's wages, that means if you want to buy a copy of windows but he's already reached his profit cap, there just won't be any on the shelves and people will be scalping copies on ebay for 20x the price.
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: imachavel]
#19322461 - 12/24/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ever heard of Freidrich Von Hayek I would highly recommend any of his books, try The Road to Serfdom.
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: imachavel]
#19322463 - 12/24/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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To me democracy would be fair if no single person could ever make $3.5 million a year, if it was regulated that that is too much for one person to make. That is my PERSONAL opinion. Most people can't understand how a world where a business that doesn't make over $10,000,000 a year doesn't exist could function. It's amazing to me what people call "thinking" and what people consider "democracy." I find that pathetic. I think the world could EASILY exist with so many independent businesses where no single business made over $10,000,000 a year. It's as though you couldn't have small oil companies/airlines/food franchises.
Oh well, does that answer your question?
If you regulate income, you regulate competition. Someone who does an extraordinary job will make what someone who is only average does? What about a person who risks his life savings, starts a business, gainfully employs 10 or 20 people....he should be restricted?
Get real. That's progressive bullshit. By the way, we don't live in a democracy.
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#19322500 - 12/24/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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This corporate personhood stupidity again? It is a legal fiction so that people can sue corporations. I have posted this numerous times but the ignorance persists like herpes. Do some people who produce arms get rich? La fucking der.
You deny the "equal protection" clause of the 14th Amendment? Its clause was invoked far more often on behalf of corporations than former slaves. Did you know the term "shoddy" came from the civil war, "Shoddy" millionaires was a derogatory term for the war profiteers in the North during the American Civil War . Allegedly, they supplied the Union army with faulty uniforms made from reprocessed "shoddy" wool rather than virgin wool. Shoddy millionaires also allegedly made shoes from cardboard that would dissolve when the soldiers marched in water or mud"
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/09/the-unions-shoddy-aristocracy/?_r=0
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From the very beginning, government representatives awarded contracts based not on the best product, or the fairest price, but on the highest bribe. As the war progressed, the problem became epidemic: during one week alone in November 1861, contractors in New York generated nearly $3 million in revenues from military deals. It would be easy to excuse a little corruption, or even a lot, if the result was high-quality equipment. But much of the contractors’ profit came from cutting corners. And with the government representatives more concerned with lining their own pockets than establishing a system of standards, there was little quality control over the goods that went into the field.
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The Civil War was an outgrowth of the Mexican War? You do know Grant was a famous drunk, right? National borders are almost all established through conquest and I have absolutely no intention of apologizing for it. Hell, I can't think of another instance where a country peacefully through purchase acquired huge swathes of territory (Louisiana Purchase and Alaska)
What does that have to do with the legal construct if corporate personhood? Do you know what your post highlights? The gross incompetence of GOVERNMENT. And your ignorance of the legal fiction known as corporate personhood. Yep, government in action. Let's put them in charge of even more shit.Quote:
And he also defeated the south and probably spared the country 2 more years of warfare by his then unconventional approach to defeating the enemy army instead of simply taking and occupying territory. The way you belittle historical figures makes me think you have a giant ego. Are you calling the Texas war of independence and the mexican war a peaceful acquisition of land? It added more territory to slave holding states, the Mexican War drew our country into the civil war. This is what Grant is showing.
HE defeated the South? I would posit that Sherman's march through Georgia was far more effective but what the fuck does that have to do with the Mexican war? No I'm not calling those things peaceful. Are you slow? They were obviously conquests. I said I have no intention of apologizing for kicking their ass. They just lost.
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How awesomely perceptive you must think you are.
And every rebuttal you make could fit on a box of cereal, A sentence, maybe two. You clearly bring so much to the discussion.
This is, of course, a lie. Unless it was a huge cereal box.
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19322541 - 12/24/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No business ever NEEDED to have large stock buy outs. You cant share your stocks with the entire country and get pissed when people dont buy them the way you want them to. I cant give a shit less if a company got bought out the stock value is bought based on company profit anyway, those are the largest companies they didnt have profit earning problems before getting a public offering anyway.
You sound like an enabler "their poor stock, oh the poor people you cant cap their stock."
Who has ever capped stock? Explain that Einstein, stop embarrassing yourself
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Shins]
#19322551 - 12/24/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shins said: Lets cap bill gate's wages, that means if you want to buy a copy of windows but he's already reached his profit cap, there just won't be any on the shelves and people will be scalping copies on ebay for 20x the price.
Why would you cap his wage? Isnt monopolizing illegal? Well that law if enforced wouldnt depend on capped wages does it? Wait, has that law ever been enforced?
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19322590 - 12/24/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shins said: Lets cap bill gate's wages, that means if you want to buy a copy of windows but he's already reached his profit cap, there just won't be any on the shelves and people will be scalping copies on ebay for 20x the price.
Yep
Gee yeah, right. like they couldnt just start selling linux and upgrading it.
Throwing a million technical possible outcomes does not substantiate any of these ridiculous theories. By the way quote me saying "cap wages" because I didnt say it. Windows could be pirated into infinity, but since your whole argument is basically sitting on straw I dont see the point in replying
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: imachavel]
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To be honest, if I made $1000 a day, I'd only make $365,000 a year. Can you say with a straight face that's only a little bit of money? Well that's what all the wealthy do, complain all day. Bill Gates makes I think approximately $500,000,000 a month. Well to me that's ridiculous. I've heard quotes that there are laws in this country against monopolizing. Well I've never seen these laws enforced at all. I think $10,000 a day is more then anyone should make. That is only $3.5 million a year, a measly salary compared to what Bill Gates makes. But $3.5 million a year to me is still a HELL of a lot of money.
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: starfire_xes]
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To me democracy would be fair if no single person could ever make $3.5 million a year, if it was regulated that that is too much for one person to make. That is my PERSONAL opinion. Most people can't understand how a world where a business that doesn't make over $10,000,000 a year doesn't exist could function. It's amazing to me what people call "thinking" and what people consider "democracy." I find that pathetic. I think the world could EASILY exist with so many independent businesses where no single business made over $10,000,000 a year. It's as though you couldn't have small oil companies/airlines/food franchises.
Oh well, does that answer your question?
If you regulate income, you regulate competition. Someone who does an extraordinary job will make what someone who is only average does? What about a person who risks his life savings, starts a business, gainfully employs 10 or 20 people....he should be restricted?
Get real. That's progressive bullshit. By the way, we don't live in a democracy.
Could you restrict someone from operating in more then 100 locations? Are we all pretending we are daft children? Let Bill Gates get a wage cap, 20 other software companies would open to fill the void? are you trying to compare tangeable reality with fantasy possibilities in the most extreme sense? Gee, what if a meteor hit us tomorrow and wiped out all of the worlds software programmers and then the stock market couldnt be read and we all starved to: death
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
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To be honest, if I made $1000 a day, I'd only make $365,000 a year. Can you say with a straight face that's only a little bit of money? Well that's what all the wealthy do, complain all day. Bill Gates makes I think approximately $500,000,000 a month. Well to me that's ridiculous. I've heard quotes that there are laws in this country against monopolizing. Well I've never seen these laws enforced at all. I think $10,000 a day is more then anyone should make. That is only $3.5 million a year, a measly salary compared to what Bill Gates makes. But $3.5 million a year to me is still a HELL of a lot of money.
Gee like, thats what bums just cant understand 
If it wasnt for Donald Trump, they couldnt get change while begging
I guess idiots like me dont understand what capitalism really is, and the whole time you have been arguing against those defy its true, ahem wrongly misinterpreted principles and I just cant get it through my head
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: imachavel]
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Could you restrict someone from operating in more then 100 locations? Are we all pretending we are daft children? Let Bill Gates get a wage cap, 20 other software companies would open to fill the void? are you trying to compare tangeable reality with fantasy possibilities in the most extreme sense? Gee, what if a meteor hit us tomorrow and wiped out all of the worlds software programmers and then the stock market couldnt be read and we all starved to: death

 Time to take a zyprexa...you're babbling.
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: starfire_xes]
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Whatever he's on I'm pissed he didn't offer to send me any for Christmas.
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19322731 - 12/24/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Whatever he's on I'm pissed he didn't offer to send me any for Christmas.
Any what?
Oh wait, Bill Gates didnt get his wages capped. Thanks to windows, (an operating system with a pretty front end but an inferior back end that hardly takes any percentage of the server Os market when compared to linux, a free OS), thanks to that we can all have Turkey tomorrow and not starve
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: imachavel]
#19322746 - 12/24/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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At this point I wouldn't even give you a PO box to send my present to. Get help. Sooner rather than later.
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