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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Simplicitry]
    #19294425 - 12/18/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Ever been to Europe? My parents told me their medical care was excellent, hell this was in 82 so I dont know,





Well, my cousins uncle told me it was terrible in 91 :laugh2: What a weak taking point. I have been to europe, and Canada, not that I see how that's relevant. Guess where the most advanced medical facilities on earth are?


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19295306 - 12/18/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I see it like this : A company like FEDEx who is privately owned has the authority to look through any  package they decide too  for what ever reason because  the only incentive they need is for the package to in their hands and on their property  . so  up until the item  you paid for  arrives at  your door step , FedEx can do what ever they want with your package. They can loose it , take it home , do what ever.  And just becaus you paid for their service you put your responsibility into the delvery mans hands as if he  can be trusted.

If the postal service ( goverment ) were to snoop through people's mail and were caught they would have.a million dollar lawsuit on their hands and everything would be up in flames. I wonder on average how many daily packages are lost through FedEx.





Great.  then don't use FED EX. :smirk:




As the world focuses on the high-tech spying of the National Security Agency, the misplaced card offers a rare glimpse inside the seemingly low-tech but prevalent snooping of the United States Postal Service.

Mr. Pickering was targeted by a longtime surveillance system called mail covers, a forerunner of a vastly more expansive effort, the Mail Isolation Control and Tracking program, in which Postal Service computers photograph the exterior of every piece of paper mail that is processed in the United States — about 160 billion pieces last year. It is not known how long the government saves the images.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/us/monitoring-of-snail-mail.html

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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Simplicitry]
    #19310718 - 12/22/13 06:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The depression required massive government spending, the ended up a boom to private industry which was able to pass off incentives to its workforce.




Actually it was WWII that was a "boom to private industry" but don't let history prevent you from sucking that power hungry socialist Roosevelt's dick




No shit sherlock, Roosevelt may of fed a bit on the socialist teet, but like any american politican their were very powerful men who backed him, His wife was more of the firebrand and many occasions he had to tone her rhetoric down, especially when it came to the rights of negros, Of course after the war was over, the massive amount of money government spent on contracts created lucrative jobs everywhere, War is funny in how on one polar opposite their is wealth and opportunity, and on the other end of the spectrum death and misery. After the war most of the large scale factories that were either built were handed back to to private companies and were promptly converted into peacetime manufacturing, coupled with the Marshall Bill, which put millions into rebuilding the countries we had just methodically destroyed, George Marshall was condemned for that, but he knew peace required a strong economy and europe could easily have slipped into soviet rule. The second thing was the G.I. Bill, it sent more people to college then ever before in our history.

The vitriol you spew out, maybe you should stick your nose in a fucking book, a simpleton like you would never realize what FDR did for the american during WWII his fireside chats, his speeches, his Arsenal of Democracy, Lend Lease, GI Bill, and helping in the fight to destroy imperial Japan and Germany, and before that with out the TVA, where i live would not be electrified, The CCC that helped create our national parks, and the many other programs that got americans back on their feet and working. Their were far more radicals' then FDR, but your ignorance of the word socialism, its historical complexity, its ambiguity, is near impossible to really define, maybe you think FDR was a pinko, but his was a family of wealth and privilege, and like any president he absolutely needs big finance, and with the labor unrest the UAW, John Lewis was a constant thorn in the side of FDR and the war effort, dont forget the America Firster's either, also, FDR reached across party lines, especially with Wendell Wilke, who he initially tried to have as running mate.

One of the best documentaries on The Great Depression


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #19311309 - 12/22/13 10:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Simplicitry said:
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The_Red_Crayon said:
The depression required massive government spending, the ended up a boom to private industry which was able to pass off incentives to its workforce.




Actually it was WWII that was a "boom to private industry" but don't let history prevent you from sucking that power hungry socialist Roosevelt's dick




No shit sherlock, Roosevelt may of fed a bit on the socialist teet, but like any american politican their were very powerful men who backed him, His wife was more of the firebrand and many occasions he had to tone her rhetoric down, especially when it came to the rights of negros, Of course after the war was over, the massive amount of money government spent on contracts created lucrative jobs everywhere, War is funny in how on one polar opposite their is wealth and opportunity, and on the other end of the spectrum death and misery. After the war most of the large scale factories that were either built were handed back to to private companies and were promptly converted into peacetime manufacturing, coupled with the Marshall Bill, which put millions into rebuilding the countries we had just methodically destroyed, George Marshall was condemned for that, but he knew peace required a strong economy and europe could easily have slipped into soviet rule. The second thing was the G.I. Bill, it sent more people to college then ever before in our history.

The vitriol you spew out, maybe you should stick your nose in a fucking book, a simpleton like you would never realize what FDR did for the american during WWII his fireside chats, his speeches, his Arsenal of Democracy, Lend Lease, GI Bill, and helping in the fight to destroy imperial Japan and Germany, and before that with out the TVA, where i live would not be electrified, The CCC that helped create our national parks, and the many other programs that got americans back on their feet and working. Their were far more radicals' then FDR, but your ignorance of the word socialism, its historical complexity, its ambiguity, is near impossible to really define, maybe you think FDR was a pinko, but his was a family of wealth and privilege, and like any president he absolutely needs big finance, and with the labor unrest the UAW, John Lewis was a constant thorn in the side of FDR and the war effort, dont forget the America Firster's either, also, FDR reached across party lines, especially with Wendell Wilke, who he initially tried to have as running mate.

One of the best documentaries on The Great Depression





You can be a smug as you like, what do I care what an anonymous internet avatar thinks of me. But I know my history. American economic prosperity had everything to with America's industrial position after the war in relationship to the rest of the industrialized world at the time

I never said any retarded shit like he was communist. That's some silly shit that you just made up. I said he was a socialist. He was. I have no respect for the political views he held.

He was also a power hungry bastard. They instated term limits after him because he was the only jackass that ran for 4 terms clinging to power in bad health till his death bed. He was not by any definition a dictator, but I believe he exhibited characteristics in common with those types of power hungry men


I just got done reading a volume of Harry Truman's autobiography titled "1945 A Year of Decision" It's a good read you should check it out. I don't agree with his politics either, but I hold him much higher respect then Roosevelt


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I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Simplicitry]
    #19311361 - 12/22/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Remember when Roosevelt tried to pack the Supreme Court?  Maybe he wasn't a dictator but he sure wanted to be.  Like another socialist cunt infesting the highest office in the land


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19311382 - 12/22/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Remember when Roosevelt tried to pack the Supreme Court?  Maybe he wasn't a dictator but he sure wanted to be.  Like another socialist cunt infesting the highest office in the land




That's a great addition to the conversion about him. I was disappointed to find that Truman tried justifying that move  in the book I mentioned above.


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Simplicitry]
    #19311439 - 12/22/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

One of my favorite things about Truman was that he ended segregation in the military. Something Roosevelt obviously did nothing about for whatever reason


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Simplicitry]
    #19311544 - 12/22/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm obviously on a Truman kick today. Just thought I'd throw these funny racist quotes by him into the conversation

"I think one man is just as good as another so long as he's honest and decent and not a nigger or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a white man from dust, a nigger from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman." He does hate Chinese and Japs, So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, yellow men in Asia and white men in Europe and America."

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19911103&slug=1314805
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More than 25 years later, Truman, then a U.S. senator from Missouri, wrote a letter to his daughter describing waiters at The White House as "an army of coons." In a letter to his wife in 1939 he referred to "nigger picnic day."




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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19312970 - 12/22/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I hear lots of talk about the need for governement regulation and control.  So I want to ask:

Who planted the idea in your mind (if it is in your mind) that businesses are automatically evil, profiteering entities led by tools with big mustaches and fat cigars hanging out of their mouths, and that their profits are evil and unfair, and that by God, they fuck over the average joe

AND:

the benign, helpful, awesome, Government has the answers and is the savior? :smirk:




There are a lot of people who do a lot of different kinds of business; inevitably some are unscrupulous, and as we look to the police to protect us from theft and violence at the civil scale, we expect the government to mitigate or prevent outright business that harms people, society, the economy, etc. I make no generalizations about business and I don't assume businesses are automatically evil, but I recognize that some are. Right now I think it's painfully obvious that dysregulation of the financial industry has resulted in a cycle that causes large-scale damage to the economy, but Congress is too stupid to do anything about it, much less recognize the problem in the first place.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Simplicitry]
    #19314140 - 12/22/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

And i dont care either, its just debate.


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But I know my history. American economic prosperity had everything to with America's industrial position after the war in relationship to the rest of the industrialized world at the time




And how exactly did this play out,It was FDR who first started urging isolationist americans to be wary of the Axis, England was in major debt for lend lease and other programs instituted, and with out these programs, England may very well of slipped into Axis control, if not for the equipment delivered to the Russians, to quote Stalin at the 1943 conference in Tehran, "Without American production the United Nations [the Allies] could never have won the war."


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He was also a power hungry bastard. They instated term limits after him because he was the only jackass that ran for 4 terms clinging to power in bad health till his death bed. He was not by any definition a dictator, but I believe he exhibited characteristics in common with those types of power hungry men





I agree that term limits should be limited, but their were no restrictions for this at the time, FDR was re-elected an unprecedented 4 times, something that has never happened till then, He would not of been popular if he was a tyrant or dictator, People would not of elected him, and some of his races were very close. He was also constrained by the Dixiecrat faction of the democratic party who dominated Jim Crow south, integration was something more championed by his wife. People elected him because they guided them through the Depression, the fire side chats were immensely successful and a lot of the New Deal had been incorporated by programs initially started by Hoover, Reconstruction Finance Corporation being the most important of these, after realizing private charity was woefully inadequate to arrest the continuing collapse into depression.

I dont think at all he was power hungry or a dictator, or tyrant, most people generally loved him and his steely resolve during WWII stiffened people, their were labor riots, their was opposition by both those on the left and right, most famously Charles Lindbergh, Congressman Wheeler,Clark, and Nye, John Lewis from the UMW union.

I dont know much about Truman, I know he was a fair man and although not outstandingly brilliant, or a shrewd politician like FDR, he was pragmatic, but he was also woefully unprepared for the Soviets and how to react to them, although FDR, in his sickness, before the Yalta conference, Churchill and FDR were barely on speaking terms, after promises to the Polish Government in exile were broken and the Lublin government was accepted as legitimate.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Simplicitry]
    #19314145 - 12/22/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Remember when Roosevelt tried to pack the Supreme Court?  Maybe he wasn't a dictator but he sure wanted to be.  Like another socialist cunt infesting the highest office in the land




That's a great addition to the conversion about him. I was disappointed to find that Truman tried justifying that move  in the book I mentioned above.




Yea, no president as ever tried to pack the supreme court... This has been going on since our founding.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #19315363 - 12/23/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Simplicitry said:
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zappaisgod said:
Remember when Roosevelt tried to pack the Supreme Court?  Maybe he wasn't a dictator but he sure wanted to be.  Like another socialist cunt infesting the highest office in the land




That's a great addition to the conversion about him. I was disappointed to find that Truman tried justifying that move  in the book I mentioned above.




Yea, no president as ever tried to pack the supreme court... This has been going on since our founding.



Hahahaha :laugh2: the way you dismiss his terrible behavior in trying to circumvent the Constitution in the example listed above only goes to show how brian washed you are.

How could I forget to mention the internment of Japanese Americans.

Some roll model you got there :rolleyes:


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #19316864 - 12/23/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Simplicitry said:
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zappaisgod said:
Remember when Roosevelt tried to pack the Supreme Court?  Maybe he wasn't a dictator but he sure wanted to be.  Like another socialist cunt infesting the highest office in the land




That's a great addition to the conversion about him. I was disappointed to find that Truman tried justifying that move  in the book I mentioned above.




Yea, no president as ever tried to pack the supreme court... This has been going on since our founding.



Apparently you didn't bother to look up what I was talking about.  He tried to add several judges just so he could control it.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19316995 - 12/23/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Simplicitry said:
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zappaisgod said:
Remember when Roosevelt tried to pack the Supreme Court?  Maybe he wasn't a dictator but he sure wanted to be.  Like another socialist cunt infesting the highest office in the land




That's a great addition to the conversion about him. I was disappointed to find that Truman tried justifying that move  in the book I mentioned above.




Yea, no president as ever tried to pack the supreme court... This has been going on since our founding.



Apparently you didn't bother to look up what I was talking about.  He tried to add several judges just so he could control it.




He couldn't have thought it was just appointments. I thought it was assumed he knew Roosevelt tried to add justices to the bench.

Truman tried the bullshit exuse "There's nothing sacrosanct about the number nine".

Yeah, not unless you're only trying to change the number because the court doesn't agree with your interpretation of the Constitution. Unethical bastards


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Simplicitry]
    #19317025 - 12/23/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I really think that he just doesn't know anything about history and doesn't particularly care to know.  The left are a generally incurious lot..  They want their handouts and don't think about what it will cost all of us to give it to them, even the recipients.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19319482 - 12/24/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Business marketing is also known as industrial marketing or business-to-business marketing. Which marketing is a practice of individuals organization because which is the think-tank of the country’s most powerful business. Many online portal telecasted the best business news.

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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: theindian]
    #19319858 - 12/24/13 06:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Puppet. I've been trying to call customer service for an hour, stop posting and answer me!


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19321155 - 12/24/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I really think that he just doesn't know anything about history and doesn't particularly care to know.  The left are a generally incurious lot..  They want their handouts and don't think about what it will cost all of us to give it to them, even the recipients.





I belong neither to the right or left... I only care about what works and what doesnt. Right now i care about our economy, personally i am of the belief that more government spending = a more viibrant economy. to quote keynes...

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If the Treasury were to fill old bottles with bank-notes, bury them at suitable depths in disused coal-mines which are then filled up to the surface with town rubbish, and leave it to private enterprise on well-tried principles of laissez-faire to dig the notes up again (the right to do so being obtained, of course, by tendering for leases of the note-bearing territory), there need be no more unemployment and, with the help of repercussions, the real income of the community, and its capital wealth, would probably become a good deal greater than it actually is."






As far as the Japanese Internment goes, yea its was a ugly blot on our democracy, but its not the first time presidents have done ugly undemocratic things during wartime hysteria, James Madison had the Alien & Sedition acts, Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus, put Baltimore and other territories under marshal law, threw several journalists and congressman in jail. His contracts for war, to produce shoes,guns, bullets, wagons, caissons, and all accoutrements of war created the big industrialists, Andrew Carnegie, Big Jim Fisk, and many others got their start from government money, later they came out like bandits by having corporations recognized as personhood in 1865.

Woodrow Wilson also used Sedition acts which were grossly undemocratic. GWB used the patriot act which a large part was struck down by the supreme court was unconstitutional, also extraordinary rendition, black prisons, the list goes on. Reagan in the Iran-Contra arms deal. We can nitpick here on whose side is better, whatever childish shit. Their are skeletons in the closet of any wartime president. The mexican war was a shameless land grab, that Grant explained
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It is to the credit of the American nation, however, that after conquering Mexico, and while practically holding the country in our possession, so that we could have retained the whole of it, or made any terms we chose, we paid a round sum for the additional territory taken; more than it was worth, or was likely to be, to Mexico.  To us it was an empire and of incalculable value; but it might have been obtained by other means.  The Southern rebellion was largely the outgrowth of the Mexican war.  Nations, like individuals, are punished for their transgressions.  We got our punishment in the most sanguinary and expensive war of modern times.




Show me a war, and ill show you a leader who pushed his hand too far, or was harsh, or where war hysteria often prevails over sensibility.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #19321660 - 12/24/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I really think that he just doesn't know anything about history and doesn't particularly care to know.  The left are a generally incurious lot..  They want their handouts and don't think about what it will cost all of us to give it to them, even the recipients.





I belong neither to the right or left... I only care about what works and what doesnt. Right now i care about our economy, personally i am of the belief that more government spending = a more viibrant economy. to quote keynes...




Then you are of the left.
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If the Treasury were to fill old bottles with bank-notes, bury them at suitable depths in disused coal-mines which are then filled up to the surface with town rubbish, and leave it to private enterprise on well-tried principles of laissez-faire to dig the notes up again (the right to do so being obtained, of course, by tendering for leases of the note-bearing territory), there need be no more unemployment and, with the help of repercussions, the real income of the community, and its capital wealth, would probably become a good deal greater than it actually is."








What gibberish
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As far as the Japanese Internment goes, yea its was a ugly blot on our democracy, but its not the first time presidents have done ugly undemocratic things during wartime hysteria, James Madison had the Alien & Sedition acts, Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus, put Baltimore and other territories under marshal law, threw several journalists and congressman in jail. His contracts for war, to produce shoes,guns, bullets, wagons, caissons, and all accoutrements of war created the big industrialists, Andrew Carnegie, Big Jim Fisk, and many others got their start from government money, later they came out like bandits by having corporations recognized as personhood in 1865.




:facepalm:This corporate personhood stupidity again?  It is a legal fiction so that people can sue corporations.  I have posted this numerous times but the ignorance persists like herpes.  Do some people who produce arms get rich?  La fucking der.
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Woodrow Wilson also used Sedition acts which were grossly undemocratic. GWB used the patriot act which a large part was struck down by the supreme court was unconstitutional, also extraordinary rendition, black prisons, the list goes on. Reagan in the Iran-Contra arms deal. We can nitpick here on whose side is better, whatever childish shit. Their are skeletons in the closet of any wartime president. The mexican war was a shameless land grab, that Grant explained
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It is to the credit of the American nation, however, that after conquering Mexico, and while practically holding the country in our possession, so that we could have retained the whole of it, or made any terms we chose, we paid a round sum for the additional territory taken; more than it was worth, or was likely to be, to Mexico.  To us it was an empire and of incalculable value; but it might have been obtained by other means.  The Southern rebellion was largely the outgrowth of the Mexican war.  Nations, like individuals, are punished for their transgressions.  We got our punishment in the most sanguinary and expensive war of modern times.








The Civil War was an outgrowth of the Mexican War?  You do know Grant was a famous drunk, right?  National borders are almost all established through conquest and I have absolutely no intention of apologizing for it.  Hell, I can't think of another instance where a country peacefully through purchase acquired huge swathes of territory (Louisiana Purchase and Alaska)
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Show me a war, and ill show you a leader who pushed his hand too far, or was harsh, or where war hysteria often prevails over sensibility.






How awesomely perceptive you must think you are.  Here is my assessment of your genius.  "No shit, Sherlock."


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19321890 - 12/24/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I hear lots of talk about the need for governement regulation and control.  So I want to ask:

Who planted the idea in your mind (if it is in your mind) that businesses are automatically evil, profiteering entities led by tools with big mustaches and fat cigars hanging out of their mouths, and that their profits are evil and unfair, and that by God, they fuck over the average joe

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the benign, helpful, awesome, Government has the answers and is the savior? :smirk:




I don't believe in a system where people charge the highest price they possibly can for a good or service simply because the customer is "willing to pay that price for it."

Capitalism has clearly proven to me that if MOST people were willing to pay a million dollars for a hamburger, that hamburgers would cost a million dollars for each one, and only rich people would be able to eat, and everyone else would starve. Then to top if off, these business magnates that manage to take an idea someone else has used 15 million times but somehow be the first ones to find a way to take more money from the idea then anyone else are called "geniuses."

It is blatantly honest to me that it's pure coincidence that capitalism is a great system that benefits everyone. The truth is it has some great laws, for example anyone can start a business and compete with other people, therefore if 1,000,000 other people have places to eat, then it's competitive and prices remain fair and people can eat at a cheap price. This to me is the real reason for cheap production, lot's of competition to keep prices low, not "a low minimum wage" like some people say.

But aside from that if it was possible capitalism would clearly make it possible for most people in this country to starve, if the government could in fact regulate things enough that only 15 food places existed, getting a box of cereal would cost $100. The fact is business I'm not against but BIG BUSINESS to me in this country lives and survives on the same morality that a sweat shop would in a 3rd world country, aside from the fact that certain laws are in place to keep that from happening, which there aren't in 3rd world countries.

The truth is everything is great in this country BECAUSE of low minimum working slaves that are generous and work for nothing and love their families and have good morals. But generally these people are referred to as "bums" who quit their jobs and use the fact that there is a recession as an excuse to not go get more employment and take a welfare check, and the rich and wealthy end up in Forbes as absolute geniuses. So does that answer your question about what I think about big business?

To be honest, if I made $1000 a day, I'd only make $365,000 a year. Can you say with a straight face that's only a little bit of money? Well that's what all the wealthy do, complain all day. Bill Gates makes I think approximately $500,000,000 a month. Well to me that's ridiculous. I've heard quotes that there are laws in this country against monopolizing. Well I've never seen these laws enforced at all. I think $10,000 a day is more then anyone should make. That is only $3.5 million a year, a measly salary compared to what Bill Gates makes. But $3.5 million a year to me is still a HELL of a lot of money.

To me democracy would be fair if no single person could ever make $3.5 million a year, if it was regulated that that is too much for one person to make. That is my PERSONAL opinion. Most people can't understand how a world where a business that doesn't make over $10,000,000 a year doesn't exist could function. It's amazing to me what people call "thinking" and what people consider "democracy." I find that pathetic. I think the world could EASILY exist with so many independent businesses where no single business made over $10,000,000 a year. It's as though you couldn't have small oil companies/airlines/food franchises.

Oh well, does that answer your question?


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