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Offlinepsyconaught
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: sweeper54]
    #19250298 - 12/09/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If you think racism only exists on one side of the political spectrum you must be extremely foolish.





No I don't, but when out right bigots like Helms swaps parties and that same party 50 years later is doing everything in its power to keep minors from voting, I say the vast majority of the bigots are reupblican'ts.



i'd say the democrats are equally as racist just in a different way. I see racism when the left claims anyone who disagrees with Obama as a racist.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19250350 - 12/09/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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psyconaught said:
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psyconaught said:
If you think racism only exists on one side of the political spectrum you must be extremely foolish.





No I don't, but when out right bigots like Helms swaps parties and that same party 50 years later is doing everything in its power to keep minors from voting, I say the vast majority of the bigots are reupblican'ts.



i'd say the democrats are equally as racist just in a different way. I see racism when the left claims anyone who disagrees with Obama as a racist.




There are plenty of racist Democrats, I know of one that lives in the White House.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: qman]
    #19250472 - 12/09/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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There are plenty of racist Democrats, I know of one that lives in the White House.




I'm sure there's many more than one, but Barrack "the police acted stupidly and if I had a son he look like Trayvon" Obama seems to have honed it to an art.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: sweeper54]
    #19250540 - 12/09/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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sweeper54 said:
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psyconaught said:
If you think racism only exists on one side of the political spectrum you must be extremely foolish.





No I don't, but when out right bigots like Helms swaps parties and that same party 50 years later is doing everything in its power to keep minors from voting, I say the vast majority of the bigots are reupblican'ts.



Robert Byrd.  Klan Kleagle.  Democrat.

Affirmative Action is racism.  Democrat


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19250564 - 12/09/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Proposing a new system is an intangible form of idealism. I cannot honestly propose to know what is a good final system. I cannot speak for other people. To understand the world from a dynamic standpoint is what is essential for tackling reality in a tangible manner, not making a new doctrine.

I perceive it as impossible to decide on the system that will be necessary in the future. A century years ago The British Empire openly owned half the world, the internet didn't exist, and none of us were alive.The change will be great in the near future also. It would be arrogant, ignorant, and dangerous to impose my notions of best cause and proper course to other people, other groups of people, or future generations.

We are where we are, so therefore we must examine where to take the next step. I do not think just imagining some new system will necessarily be any better in, nor to I have a way of transmitting a new culture to everyone else. I would not want to.

A society can tackle its problems by seeing them as unclarifed projects, and taking measure to clarify, and correct them, one at a time, gradually; while maintaining honestey, giving fair and thorough examination. If people keep relying on politicians in the L/R scheme to fix problems, your going to keep getting more of the same. They wont be getting clarity, wont be getting correction, be given quick fixes, band aids, scams, without honesty, without a fair or thorough examination.

The reason for my interest in posting is not to tell others what the right way is; but I see something wrong when people are giving the 2 party system credit by taking sides, getting involved from a partisan position, etc. Take the time to learn your country's modern and recent history. Follow the money.

I just hope everyone does their due diligence and research, seeks out opposing viewpoints and criticisms, and is trying to obtain better clarity. There is more we can all learn about how the political framework works, and how it could work.

How our political system SHOULD work is as relevant as who a baby SHOULD be when they grow up. It is very important to us that our baby makes it, and we'd be so proud to see it succeed, however the future is too far on the horizon to see; The end result is a product of the way we properly deal with all the moment to moment, day to day.

Good politicians require good consumers, good consumers know what they are buying and get what they pay for. I just hope nobody gets seduced by the hype, and those who have been, it's not too late, you can let go! If you've bought into the two party system it is likely you may have bought something before knowing what it is. Perhaps you were just going with the crowd, everybody seemed to be doing it! I know you've invested a lot, but it's OK you can let go. Take another look! Have a Re-'Spect


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19250619 - 12/09/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you sound like a libertarian (in the philosophical sense not the political party) :thumb up: good for you


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19251325 - 12/09/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Robert Byrd is the best example you can come up with?

He's in the ground and was a piece of shit for better reason then being a bigot.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: sweeper54]
    #19251389 - 12/09/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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sweeper54 said:
Robert Byrd is the best example you can come up with?

He's in the ground and was a piece of shit for better reason then being a bigot.



Reply to fail but I did cite a bigger example of bigotry.  Affirmative Action is racism through and through


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19252324 - 12/09/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Reply to fail but I did cite a bigger example of bigotry.  Affirmative Action is racism through and through




Affirmative action isn't only about race.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19252337 - 12/09/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

its racist AND sexist :awedance:


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19252342 - 12/09/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Affirmative Action isn't only about race and sex.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19252416 - 12/09/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

doesn't matter. Its a sexist and racist piece of legislation.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19265770 - 12/12/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So im a commie cause you disagree with me, pathetic. Your position sure is weak if you accuse me of being a communist, but thats you. Anyone who happens to not share your groupthink is a pinko, how american. I think your stuck in 1976.

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Spare me the nonsense, commmie.  Did you hear the socialist cunt's latest attempted distraction from his socialist health care debacle regarding income inequality?  He's a fucking socialist.




No i havent, im not a big Breitbart reader or check the Drudge report daily, I thought the ACA was bullshit, I dont like that piece of legislation at all, but what great plan does the GOP have? What is their plan on fixing the mess with 40 million plus without insurance. Personally i was for a single payer system.

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What does that have to do with economic policy?




Because he is continuing the same stupid policy that is NOT working, signature strikes are not working, its like Body Count in Vietnam, they throw in a bomb and count any above age male as a "combatant" its only creating more terrorists.


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He can't




Wow really, i thought the communist socialist islamic kenyan could do anything he wanted, So your saying he cant nationalize any institution or private business, Yea real socialist...

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No he couldn't and he didn't shore up GM, he rescued the UAW.  In fact he illegally interfered in a legitimate bankruptcy proceeding and totally fucked over the proper creditors to satisfy his collectivist union pals.




So in essence we should of just let them all go bankrupt, WOW, what a turn around, what about Bear Stearns? Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. You are totally brainwashed by bullshit, do some fuckin research.

http://www.propublica.org/special/government-bailouts

● Airline Industry 2001 The terrorist attacks of September 11 crippled an already financially troubled industry. To bail out the airlines, President Bush signed into law the Air Transportation Safety and Stabilization Act, which compensated airlines for the mandatory grounding of aircraft after the attacks. The act released $5 billion in compensation and an additional $10 billion in loan guarantees or other federal credit instruments. (What happened after the bailout?) $18.6 billion
● Bear Stearns 2008 JP Morgan Chase and the federal government bailed out Bear Stearns when the financial giant neared collapse. JP Morgan purchased Bear Stearns for $236 million; the Federal Reserve provided a $30 billion credit line to ensure the sale could move forward. $30 billion
● Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac 2008 On Sep. 7, 2008, Fannie and Freddie were essentially nationalized: placed under the conservatorship of the Federal Housing Finance Agency. Under the terms of the rescue, the Treasury has invested billions to cover the companies' losses. Initially, Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson put a ceiling of $100 billion for investments in each company. In February, Tim Geithner raised it to $200 billion. The money was authorized by the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008. $400 billion
● American International Group (A.I.G.) 2008 On four separate occasions, the government has offered aid to AIG to keep it from collapsing, rising from an initial $85 billion credit line from the Federal Reserve to a combined $180 billion effort between the Treasury ($70 billion) and Fed ($110 billion). ($40 billion of the Treasury’s commitment is also included in the TARP total.) $180 billion
● Auto Industry 2008 In late September 2008, Congress approved a more than $630 billion spending bill, which included a measure for $25 billion in loans to the auto industry. These low-interest loans are intended to aid the industry in its push to build more fuel-efficient, environmentally-friendly vehicles. The Detroit 3 -- General Motors, Ford and Chrysler -- will be the primary beneficiaries. $25 billion
● Troubled Asset Relief Program 2008 In October 2008, Congress passed the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act, which authorized the Treasury Department to spend $700 billion to combat the financial crisis. Treasury has been doling out the money via an alphabet soup of different programs. Here’s our running tally of companies getting TARP funds. $700 billion
● Citigroup 2008 Citigroup received a $25 billion investment through the TARP in October and another $20 billion in November. (That $45 billion is also included in the TARP total.) Additional aid has come in the form of government guarantees to limit losses from a $301 billion pool of toxic assets. In addition to the Treasury's $5 billion commitment, the FDIC has committed $10 billion and the Federal Reserve up to about $220 billion. $280 billion
● Bank of America 2009 Bank of America has received $45 billion through the TARP, which includes $10 billion originally meant for Merrill Lynch. (That $45 billion is also included in the TARP total.) In addition, the government has made guarantees to limit losses from a $118 billion pool of troubled assets. In addition to the Treasury's $7.5 billion commitment, the FDIC has committed $2.5 billion and the Federal Reserve up to $87.2 billion. $142.2 billion



These are the top contributors to Obama's campaign, You see socialists like Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan just love Obama, they cant wait to redistribute all their wealth and bring it to us. What a socialist hahahaahah.

University of California $1,799,460
Goldman Sachs $1,034,615
Harvard University $900,909
Microsoft Corp $854,717
JPMorgan Chase & Co $847,895
Google Inc $817,855
Citigroup Inc $755,057
US Government $638,335
Time Warner $617,844
Sidley Austin LLP $606,260
Stanford University $603,866
National Amusements Inc $579,098
Columbia University $570,839
Skadden, Arps et al $554,439
WilmerHale Llp $554,373
US Dept of Justice $540,636
IBM Corp $534,470
UBS AG $534,166
General Electric $532,031
Morgan Stanley $528,182


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #19265802 - 12/12/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The universities love him too because he makes student loans easier so that the schools can profit at the expenso of students.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #19266522 - 12/12/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So im a commie cause you disagree with me, pathetic. Your position sure is weak if you accuse me of being a communist, but thats you. Anyone who happens to not share your groupthink is a pinko, how american. I think your stuck in 1976.




No, I think you're a commie because you post commmie bullshit.  There are lots of people who I disagree with who I do not think are commies
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Spare me the nonsense, commmie.  Did you hear the socialist cunt's latest attempted distraction from his socialist health care debacle regarding income inequality?  He's a fucking socialist.




No i havent, im not a big Breitbart reader or check the Drudge report daily, I thought the ACA was bullshit, I dont like that piece of legislation at all, but what great plan does the GOP have? What is their plan on fixing the mess with 40 million plus without insurance. Personally i was for a single payer system.




It was in the NY Times and everywhere else
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What does that have to do with economic policy?




Because he is continuing the same stupid policy that is NOT working, signature strikes are not working, its like Body Count in Vietnam, they throw in a bomb and count any above age male as a "combatant" its only creating more terrorists.




How do you know it isn't working?
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He can't




Wow really, i thought the communist socialist islamic kenyan could do anything he wanted, So your saying he cant nationalize any institution or private business, Yea real socialist...




Some people need fucking dictionaries
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No he couldn't and he didn't shore up GM, he rescued the UAW.  In fact he illegally interfered in a legitimate bankruptcy proceeding and totally fucked over the proper creditors to satisfy his collectivist union pals.




So in essence we should of just let them all go bankrupt, WOW, what a turn around, what about Bear Stearns? Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. You are totally brainwashed by bullshit, do some fuckin research.




We should have let GM and Chrysler go through the normal bankruptcy procedures wherein they negotiate with creditors to see who gets paid what and who gets burned
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http://www.propublica.org/special/government-bailouts

● Airline Industry 2001 The terrorist attacks of September 11 crippled an already financially troubled industry. To bail out the airlines, President Bush signed into law the Air Transportation Safety and Stabilization Act, which compensated airlines for the mandatory grounding of aircraft after the attacks. The act released $5 billion in compensation and an additional $10 billion in loan guarantees or other federal credit instruments. (What happened after the bailout?) $18.6 billion
● Bear Stearns 2008 JP Morgan Chase and the federal government bailed out Bear Stearns when the financial giant neared collapse. JP Morgan purchased Bear Stearns for $236 million; the Federal Reserve provided a $30 billion credit line to ensure the sale could move forward. $30 billion
● Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac 2008 On Sep. 7, 2008, Fannie and Freddie were essentially nationalized: placed under the conservatorship of the Federal Housing Finance Agency. Under the terms of the rescue, the Treasury has invested billions to cover the companies' losses. Initially, Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson put a ceiling of $100 billion for investments in each company. In February, Tim Geithner raised it to $200 billion. The money was authorized by the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008. $400 billion
● American International Group (A.I.G.) 2008 On four separate occasions, the government has offered aid to AIG to keep it from collapsing, rising from an initial $85 billion credit line from the Federal Reserve to a combined $180 billion effort between the Treasury ($70 billion) and Fed ($110 billion). ($40 billion of the Treasury’s commitment is also included in the TARP total.) $180 billion
● Auto Industry 2008 In late September 2008, Congress approved a more than $630 billion spending bill, which included a measure for $25 billion in loans to the auto industry. These low-interest loans are intended to aid the industry in its push to build more fuel-efficient, environmentally-friendly vehicles. The Detroit 3 -- General Motors, Ford and Chrysler -- will be the primary beneficiaries. $25 billion
● Troubled Asset Relief Program 2008 In October 2008, Congress passed the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act, which authorized the Treasury Department to spend $700 billion to combat the financial crisis. Treasury has been doling out the money via an alphabet soup of different programs. Here’s our running tally of companies getting TARP funds. $700 billion
● Citigroup 2008 Citigroup received a $25 billion investment through the TARP in October and another $20 billion in November. (That $45 billion is also included in the TARP total.) Additional aid has come in the form of government guarantees to limit losses from a $301 billion pool of toxic assets. In addition to the Treasury's $5 billion commitment, the FDIC has committed $10 billion and the Federal Reserve up to about $220 billion. $280 billion
● Bank of America 2009 Bank of America has received $45 billion through the TARP, which includes $10 billion originally meant for Merrill Lynch. (That $45 billion is also included in the TARP total.) In addition, the government has made guarantees to limit losses from a $118 billion pool of troubled assets. In addition to the Treasury's $7.5 billion commitment, the FDIC has committed $2.5 billion and the Federal Reserve up to $87.2 billion. $142.2 billion




The banks were given LOANS, many of which they didn't need but were forced to take.  Further, their losses were caused by a government that coerced them into lending to shitbags.  The government also made a tidy profit on those loans.  The government caused the airline companies losses by shutting down air travel.  The government did not cause the unions to drive two auto companies into bankruptcy and the tax payer lost biillions on that deal.  Unlike what it got form the banks.
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These are the top contributors to Obama's campaign, You see socialists like Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan just love Obama, they cant wait to redistribute all their wealth and bring it to us. What a socialist hahahaahah.

University of California $1,799,460
Goldman Sachs $1,034,615
Harvard University $900,909
Microsoft Corp $854,717
JPMorgan Chase & Co $847,895
Google Inc $817,855
Citigroup Inc $755,057
US Government $638,335
Time Warner $617,844
Sidley Austin LLP $606,260
Stanford University $603,866
National Amusements Inc $579,098
Columbia University $570,839
Skadden, Arps et al $554,439
WilmerHale Llp $554,373
US Dept of Justice $540,636
IBM Corp $534,470
UBS AG $534,166
General Electric $532,031
Morgan Stanley $528,182




The financial companies cover both sides.  Always have.

U Cal, Harvard, Google, Columbia U, Stanford, Time Warner.  All liberal.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19281125 - 12/15/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You grasp at straws calling me a commie, ok how am i a commie? Absurd...

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How do you know it isn't working?




And how do you know it is? Are you aware of the recent testimony on a meeting about drones Rand Paul chaired. Its well established by multiple sources that "signature strikes" have killed large amounts of non-combatants, analyzing the aftermath and projecting a kill count is absurd, and its eerily reminiscent of vietnam era body count, we know from history that body count does not work when combating specific idealogies, When your solution to all your problems is a hammer, then all your problems will start to look like nails.


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The banks were given LOANS, many of which they didn't need but were forced to take.  Further, their losses were caused by a government that coerced them into lending to shitbags.  The government also made a tidy profit on those loans.  The government caused the airline companies losses by shutting down air travel.  The government did not cause the unions to drive two auto companies into bankruptcy and the tax payer lost biillions on that deal.  Unlike what it got form the banks.




Dude, seriously. Oh those poor banks were forced to give out loans so they could collect fat commissions, it certainly wasnt lax regulations that led to the recession. The auto comapanies went bankrupt because of bad business models and nobody wanted to buy their shit, simple fucking economics, nobody wanted their gas guzzling pieces of shit, Toyota and Volkswagon have built plants here in TN, they have brought jobs here. Unfortunately you are completely missing my point, bailing a corporation out with tax payer money, is not socialism, it is the opposite of socialism.


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The financial companies cover both sides.  Always have.



  So you basically admit yourself their really isnt any difference on that. They cover both sides huh? Do you know what the antithesis to socialism is? Obama, the corporate lackey. I seriously cant even believe you defend Obama. Never thought I would see that day.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #19284794 - 12/16/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You grasp at straws calling me a commie, ok how am i a commie? Absurd...




You support government supplied health care.  By the way, "single payer" is bullshit.  The government won't be paying a dime.  A small portion of productive people will be paying for it.
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How do you know it isn't working?




And how do you know it is? Are you aware of the recent testimony on a meeting about drones Rand Paul chaired. Its well established by multiple sources that "signature strikes" have killed large amounts of non-combatants, analyzing the aftermath and projecting a kill count is absurd, and its eerily reminiscent of vietnam era body count, we know from history that body count does not work when combating specific idealogies, When your solution to all your problems is a hammer, then all your problems will start to look like nails.




You made the assertion that it isn't working and if you think it is anywhere near 'Nam body counts you are drunk on your own bile.
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The banks were given LOANS, many of which they didn't need but were forced to take.  Further, their losses were caused by a government that coerced them into lending to shitbags.  The government also made a tidy profit on those loans.  The government caused the airline companies losses by shutting down air travel.  The government did not cause the unions to drive two auto companies into bankruptcy and the tax payer lost biillions on that deal.  Unlike what it got form the banks.




Dude, seriously. Oh those poor banks were forced to give out loans so they could collect fat commissions, it certainly wasnt lax regulations that led to the recession. The auto comapanies went bankrupt because of bad business models and nobody wanted to buy their shit, simple fucking economics, nobody wanted their gas guzzling pieces of shit, Toyota and Volkswagon have built plants here in TN, they have brought jobs here. Unfortunately you are completely missing my point, bailing a corporation out with tax payer money, is not socialism, it is the opposite of socialism.




It is exactly socialism when the government coerces you to lend money to people who would never qualify and the auto companies weren't bailed out, the auto unions were.  The US auto companies were killed by unions.  You mention Toyota and Volkswagen in Tennesee.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748704083904576335501132396440

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Located near Chattanooga, Tenn., the plant will pay starting workers about $27 an hour in wages and benefits, according to estimates by industry analysts. That's roughly half the $52 an hour cost of labor at the Detroit Three auto makers and some non-union U.S. plants owned by Toyota Motor Corp. TM -0.48% and Honda Motor Co. HMC -0.94% It comes as Korea's Hyundai Motor Co. and Kia Motors Corp., whose Alabama and Georgia

During the auto bailout restructuring led by the U.S. government, General Motors Co. GM +3.50% and Chrysler Group LLC were told they had to rework union contracts to be in line with Toyota. While unions agreed to sharply lower the pay for new hires, there haven't been that many workers coming in at the lower levels. As a result, their labor costs remain far higher than those of new plants in the South.

"Any current wage or benefit gap between the Detroit Three and transplants could grow as transplants add capacity in the lower-wage U.S. South," said Brian Johnson, the lead auto analyst for Barclays Capital. 




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The financial companies cover both sides.  Always have.



  So you basically admit yourself their really isnt any difference on that. They cover both sides huh? Do you know what the antithesis to socialism is? Obama, the corporate lackey. I seriously cant even believe you defend Obama. Never thought I would see that day.




Campaign contributions from corporations does not make someone a corporate lackey.  Are all democrats corporate lackeys because the NY Times, a corporation, dedicates all of it's editorials to them, something that would equal tens of millions in campaign contributions?


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19291847 - 12/18/13 04:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I never said it was any way comparible to that level of violence to "body count" I said its eerily reminiscent.

You totally miss what im saying. Your vitriolic insults of socialist and commie are  absurd. Obama is not a socialism by  any stretch. You think Obama is my friend, a friend of liberals? progressives? He's a company man, Also; Hilarious you call me a commie? I ran my own business, it was the recession that nearly strangled me. I remember that happening under Bush, not that im trying to shift blame, but i participate and contribute, im not on a some fucking goverment dole and i pay my goddamn taxes, and i dont have kids to collect tax credits on, why should i pay that, well because i want our future generation to have a chance. Before LBJ and FDR their was no electricity in rural areas of TN an near Smokey MTNS, The depression required massive government spending, the ended up a boom to private industry which was able to pass off incentives to its workforce.

Basically, As long as the lie is repeated over and over it becomes a truth, and the myth of the foreign kenyan muslim socialist whose come to take our guns is simply hyperbole to get the stupid masses in the "heartland" to vote for their asinine candidate. I cringe when i hear things like Benghazi worse then 9/11 or Obamacare worse than slavery, hurricane katrina worse then ACA or other whacky talking points on every sunday. The GOP and its orthodox faction of nutties will split, all revolutions devour their own children, and the Tea party will turn on the GOP with a quickness and divide them and allow democrats to sweep right on through.


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You support government supplied health care.  By the way, "single payer" is bullshit.  The government won't be paying a dime.  A small portion of productive people will be paying for it.


In the past decade the Pentagon can not account for nearly 8.5 trillion dollars. A drop in the ocean would be able to create a more preventative and advanced medical system where people dont go to hospitals because they are about to croak and get hit with hundreds of thousands of bills, while recieving mostly shoddy attention. 800$ for just an ambulance.

LOL what small portion would that be and why are you so concerned that you would be the one it comes from. Most modern countries have a system where their people are taken care of. Ever been to Europe? My parents told me their medical care was excellent, hell this was in 82 so I dont know, Im sure we can reach a compromise and fix these millions who are uninsured, and this in turn with more government spending will increase jobs. The status quo, or whatever solution is is, even though its been thought of by heritage, attempted by Nixon, named after Romney at one time, give me a fuckin break.


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it is exactly socialism when the government coerces you to lend money to people who would never qualify and the auto companies weren't bailed out,




Explain to me how were they coerced,failing or bankrupt business takes all this fucking tax payer cash with low interest rates and once are solvent returned to their shareholders Yea, Real Union Real Socialist, Im sure those unions gouged those CEO's for pay raises and vacation days, always a scapegoat, im sure they stuck a gun to their CFO's head and threatened to execute every last secretary til they got what they wanted.

Its a lot more complex then your simple answers. First the Feds in april 2004 the SEC relaxed on the net capital rule, large banks immediately increased their leverage and increase mortgage backed securities. Til 2008 their wasnt a high deliquency on subprime backed mortgages.
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A 2004 SEC decision related to the net capital rule allowed USA investment banks to issue substantially more debt, which was then used to help fund the housing bubble through purchases of mortgage-backed securities. The change in regulation left the capital adequacy requirement at the same level but added a risk weighting that lowered capital requirements on AAA rated bonds and tranches. This led to a shift from first loss tranches to highly-rated less risky tranches and was seen as an improvement in risk management in the spirit of the European Basel accords 




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In addition to considering higher-risk borrowers, lenders offered increasingly risky loan options and borrowing incentives. Mortgage underwriting standards declined gradually during the boom period, particularly from 2004 to 2007.[35] The use of automated loan approvals allowed loans to be made without appropriate review and documentation In addition to considering higher-risk borrowers, lenders offered increasingly risky loan options and borrowing incentives. Mortgage underwriting standards declined gradually during the boom period, particularly from 2004 to 2007.[35] The use of automated loan approvals allowed loans to be made without appropriate review and documentation  http://www.banktech.com/story/featured/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=21401117




Honestly theirs so much, I mean the Libor Scandal, the Deregulation, the Glass-Steagall Act of 1993, I mean I just love your black and white answers like likes lifes problems are either one or the other, of course if you disagree your a commune.


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Campaign contributions from corporations does not make someone a corporate lackey.  Are all democrats corporate lackeys because the NY Times, a corporation, dedicates all of it's editorials to them, something that would equal tens of millions in campaign contributions?




No but the amount of undeclared cash flowing through our political system only spells danger, like simony on steroids. You think you are getting the socialist, your getting just another suit, with the same agenda, keeping a lot of the same folks, but only divided only silly issues that polarize americans because political parties now are more interested in their personal feifdoms and the media who coddle them.


I laugh when you call me a commie cause it shows me how narrow-minded and stuck in McCarthyite era 50's where everyones a leftie or a commie in disguise waiting to usurp the god ole "Merica from the godless atheists, and frankly, it will backfire, cause old farts are dying out and the young will start gaining more political clout.





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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #19293963 - 12/18/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The_Red_Crayon said:
I never said it was any way comparible to that level of violence to "body count" I said its eerily reminiscent.

You totally miss what im saying. Your vitriolic insults of socialist and commie are  absurd. Obama is not a socialism by  any stretch. You think Obama is my friend, a friend of liberals? progressives? He's a company man, Also; Hilarious you call me a commie? I ran my own business, it was the recession that nearly strangled me. I remember that happening under Bush, not that im trying to shift blame, but i participate and contribute, im not on a some fucking goverment dole and i pay my goddamn taxes, and i dont have kids to collect tax credits on, why should i pay that, well because i want our future generation to have a chance. Before LBJ and FDR their was no electricity in rural areas of TN an near Smokey MTNS, The depression required massive government spending, the ended up a boom to private industry which was able to pass off incentives to its workforce.




The recession was caused by the housing bubble burst and that is 100% at the foot of Clinton and Cuomo.  Why should I give a shit abou7t electriciity in the Smoky Mountains?  This is commie thinking.  Let Tennessee handle that if they wish.  You are a commie because you think I should pay for somebody else's shit.  We have 50 states.  Let them do it if they want.  There is not one single reason why the federal government should be doing most of this.
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Basically, As long as the lie is repeated over and over it becomes a truth, and the myth of the foreign kenyan muslim socialist whose come to take our guns is simply hyperbole to get the stupid masses in the "heartland" to vote for their asinine candidate.




He is a socialist but the other shit are straw men that liars keep trying to use to discredit opponents of the commie cunt.  That is the lie repeated over and over again.  He does want to take our guns.
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I cringe when i hear things like Benghazi worse then 9/11




Another straw man.  Why do you lie?
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or Obamacare worse than slavery,




Another straw man.  Why do you lie?
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hurricane katrina worse then ACA or other whacky talking points on every sunday.




Another straw man.  Why do you lie?
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The GOP and its orthodox faction of nutties will split, all revolutions devour their own children, and the Tea party will turn on the GOP with a quickness and divide them and allow democrats to sweep right on through.




Well there is a grain of truth to this.  We are not all that happy with the Republican Party since they are not fiscal conservatives.  Bush certainlyt wasn't.
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You support government supplied health care.  By the way, "single payer" is bullshit.  The government won't be paying a dime.  A small portion of productive people will be paying for it.


In the past decade the Pentagon can not account for nearly 8.5 trillion dollars. A drop in the ocean would be able to create a more preventative and advanced medical system where people dont go to hospitals because they are about to croak and get hit with hundreds of thousands of bills, while recieving mostly shoddy attention. 800$ for just an ambulance.




What bullshit.  They are going to get the attention of the same people either way.  You don't pay $800 for an ambulance when you use it.  Most of that cost is paying for it to be in a ready state.  Are you joking?  So the giant bureaucracy that is the Pentagon can't do accounting.  What makes you think that the government can run anything else any better?  5/6ths of the population was already covered by insurance, including the poor under MedicAid.  Of the remaining 1/6th most of them didn't need or want it.  Further there is no indication that more people will be covered, that they will be more responsible in keeping themselves healthy.  Illegals can fuck of back to where they came from.  They broke something that was working for the majority of people.  Preventative health care is 100% up to the individual.
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LOL what small portion would that be and why are you so concerned that you would be the one it comes from.




Because I am in the approx 15% of taxpayers who are above the leech level
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Most modern countries have a system where their people are taken care of.




Communism.  Why should I be on the hook for taking care of you?
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Ever been to Europe?




No but I know that I would be far more likely to die from my cancers in England.  Thanks but no thanks.
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My parents told me their medical care was excellent, hell this was in 82 so I dont know, Im sure we can reach a compromise and fix these millions who are uninsured, and this in turn with more government spending will increase jobs.




Broken window fallacy if you think that the government increases jobs.  It just takes.  It doesn't produce anything except security and a pain in my ass
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The status quo, or whatever solution is is, even though its been thought of by heritage, attempted by Nixon, named after Romney at one time, give me a fuckin break.



I have no idea what you're babbling about here.
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it is exactly socialism when the government coerces you to lend money to people who would never qualify and the auto companies weren't bailed out,




Explain to me how were they coerced,failing or bankrupt business takes all this fucking tax payer cash with low interest rates and once are solvent returned to their shareholders Yea, Real Union Real Socialist, Im sure those unions gouged those CEO's for pay raises and vacation days, always a scapegoat, im sure they stuck a gun to their CFO's head and threatened to execute every last secretary til they got what they wanted.




Incoherent but the government coerced banks to lend to peoprl with no money and shit credit under threat of prosecution for racism, among other things.  In re the auto companies they totally circumvented the normal bankruptcy procedures to make the greedy fucks (unions) who bankrupted the companies from having to take pension hits
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Its a lot more complex then your simple answers. First the Feds in april 2004 the SEC relaxed on the net capital rule, large banks immediately increased their leverage and increase mortgage backed securities. Til 2008 their wasnt a high deliquency on subprime backed mortgages. A 2004 SEC decision related to the net capital rule allowed USA investment banks to issue substantially more debt, which was then used to help fund the housing bubble through purchases of mortgage-backed securities. The change in regulation left the capital adequacy requirement at the same level but added a risk weighting that lowered capital requirements on AAA rated bonds and tranches. This led to a shift from first loss tranches to highly-rated less risky tranches and was seen as an improvement in risk management in the spirit of the European Basel accords 

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In addition to considering higher-risk borrowers, lenders offered increasingly risky loan options and borrowing incentives. Mortgage underwriting standards declined gradually during the boom period, particularly from 2004 to 2007.[35] The use of automated loan approvals allowed loans to be made without appropriate review and documentation In addition to considering higher-risk borrowers, lenders offered increasingly risky loan options and borrowing incentives. Mortgage underwriting standards declined gradually during the boom period, particularly from 2004 to 2007.[35] The use of automated loan approvals allowed loans to be made without appropriate review and documentation  http://www.banktech.com/story/featured/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=21401117




Honestly theirs so much, I mean the Libor Scandal, the Deregulation, the Glass-Steagall Act of 1993, I mean I just love your black and white answers like likes lifes problems are either one or the other, of course if you disagree your a commune.




Did LIBOR, Glass-Steagall and deregulation cause one single shitbag to default on his mortgage?
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Campaign contributions from corporations does not make someone a corporate lackey.  Are all democrats corporate lackeys because the NY Times, a corporation, dedicates all of it's editorials to them, something that would equal tens of millions in campaign contributions?




No but the amount of undeclared cash flowing through our political system only spells danger, like simony on steroids. You think you are getting the socialist, your getting just another suit, with the same agenda, keeping a lot of the same folks, but only divided only silly issues that polarize americans because political parties now are more interested in their personal feifdoms and the media who coddle them.




I agree that politicians only care about themselves and keeping power.
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I laugh when you call me a commie cause it shows me how narrow-minded and stuck in McCarthyite era 50's where everyones a leftie or a commie in disguise waiting to usurp the god ole "Merica from the godless atheists, and frankly, it will backfire, cause old farts are dying out and the young will start gaining more political clout.








You don't know anything about the 1950s and McCarthy was right that the State Department was riddled with commies.  Commies like you.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #19294378 - 12/18/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The depression required massive government spending, the ended up a boom to private industry which was able to pass off incentives to its workforce.




Actually it was WWII that was a "boom to private industry" but don't let history prevent you from sucking that power hungry socialist Roosevelt's dick


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