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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19237776 - 12/06/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I hear lots of talk about the need for governement regulation and control.  So I want to ask:

Who planted the idea in your mind (if it is in your mind) that businesses are automatically evil, profiteering entities led by tools with big mustaches and fat cigars hanging out of their mouths, and that their profits are evil and unfair, and that by God, they fuck over the average joe

AND:

the benign, helpful, awesome, Government has the answers and is the savior? :smirk:




Who put the idea in your head that the US goverment is not a business? If the goverment actually served the interests of the people, and properly represent the voters who elect them; then I would much rather have them making decisions as opposed to a company who's only interest is increased profit.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Smokey420]
    #19237812 - 12/06/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You do realize that they would be much less big government if they actually represented the people who elect them, right?


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19237827 - 12/06/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There you go, using those republican talking points again.
Big goverment.
Big Business.
Big Mustaches.

The goverment is a business.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Smokey420]
    #19237877 - 12/06/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't say it wasn't.

It's just a shitty business that only exists because it obtains monopoly power through violence.

I have a pretty big mustache.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19238072 - 12/06/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You are correct sir.
Nothing against mustaches.  :astonishedmustache:


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #19238382 - 12/06/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You do realize that they would be much less big government if they actually represented the people who elect them, right?




Where do you get your information?  There is a massive difference between an overbearing government and a large government.

Oh, maybe we should compare Federal employees next to your lord and savior Reagan?  Well, unfortunately for your deluded self, there are fewer Federal employees added under Obama than hero Reagan.

Apparently Hero Reagan can spend his way out of a recession, but demon Obama cannot do the same.

Reagan added 200+K to the Federal workforce, while Obama, towards the end of his first term, only added 2,000.

Hero Reagan was a Hollywood bigshot before he became Pres, and now all the right-wing fanatics hate Hollywood.  Say what?

I mean, I thought Obama was a big government socialist?

Someone prove me wrong :smug:


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19239615 - 12/07/13 05:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

In the bigger scheme of things...does it really even matter?

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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19239738 - 12/07/13 07:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

> Apparently Hero Reagan can spend his way out of a recession, but demon Obama cannot do the same.

The difference is that Reagan put private sector at the center of spending while Obama has put expansion of government power at the center of spending. 

> Someone prove me wrong

Why bother?  I don't care if you live in ignorance.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Seuss]
    #19239971 - 12/07/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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> Apparently Hero Reagan can spend his way out of a recession, but demon Obama cannot do the same.

The difference is that Reagan put private sector at the center of spending while Obama has put expansion of government power at the center of spending. 

> Someone prove me wrong

Why bother?  I don't care if you live in ignorance.





So you can't prove me wrong that Reagan didn't add 200k more Federal government jobs than Obama?


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Seuss]
    #19240263 - 12/07/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Seuss said:
> Apparently Hero Reagan can spend his way out of a recession, but demon Obama cannot do the same.

The difference is that Reagan put private sector at the center of spending while Obama has put expansion of government power at the center of spending. 

> Someone prove me wrong

Why bother?  I don't care if you live in ignorance.




Reagan had the luxury of still having the majority of the jobs still on the homeland, therefore it was much easier to stimulate the domestic economy, we don't have that today.

The US economy has been structurally damaged from globalization, there is no fix, Reagan would be just as much as a failure as Obama today, it would make no difference.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19240536 - 12/07/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
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zappaisgod said:
You do realize that they would be much less big government if they actually represented the people who elect them, right?




Where do you get your information?  There is a massive difference between an overbearing government and a large government.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2013/09/30/americans-are-more-conservative-than-they-have-been-in-decades/

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In reality, Stimson’s data show, the public was already more conservative than usual in 2008, and a good deal more conservative by 2012.





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Oh, maybe we should compare Federal employees next to your lord and savior Reagan?  Well, unfortunately for your deluded self, there are fewer Federal employees added under Obama than hero Reagan.




ORLY?
http://www.billoreilly.com/newslettercolumn?pid=37617

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Reagan also held the line on federal hiring. During his eight years in office, just 12,000 federal workers were added to the payroll.




Hmm.
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Apparently Hero Reagan can spend his way out of a recession, but demon Obama cannot do the same.




Congress sets spending.  At no point in Reagan's tenure did he have control of the House and he never had a filibuster proof majority in the Senate for the 6 years he had support there.
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Reagan added 200+K to the Federal workforce, while Obama, towards the end of his first term, only added 2,000.




:lolsy:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/07/ObamaCare-Irs-Agents

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The IRS is expected to spend $881 million on the law from 2010 through 2013, hiring more than 2,700 new workers and upgrading its computer systems.




It really is fucking stupid to argue that Obama should get credit for the hiring freeze that resulted from the sequester.  Are you drunk again?
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Hero Reagan was a Hollywood bigshot before he became Pres, and now all the right-wing fanatics hate Hollywood.  Say what?




Reagan was never a Hollywood bigshot except when he was president of the actors' union.  Hollywood today is a disgraceful cesspool of leftist propaganda.  Just watch the product. It is obvious.
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I mean, I thought Obama was a big government socialist?




He is.  See his latest idiocy about inequality.  Is Obamacare not socialist?
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Someone prove me wrong :smug:




Done and done.  Now piss off.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19240552 - 12/07/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/data-analysis-documentation/federal-employment-reports/historical-tables/total-government-employment-since-1962/

1981 - 4,982 thousand

1988 - 5,289 thousand

2009 - 4,430 thousand

2011(most current given) - 4,403 thousand (a decline)

Maybe you shouldn't rely on Billy O and Breitbart for your information.

Now, if you want to count non-military, Reagan came into office with 2,875 thousand non-military Federal employees.  He left with 3,113 thousand.  That is 238 thousand more non-military federal employees.  As of 2011 2,820 thousand.  In 2009, we had 2,840 thousand.

So, what were you saying again?


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19240591 - 12/07/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It really is fucking stupid to argue that Obama should get credit for the hiring freeze that resulted from the sequester.  Are you drunk again




The right-wing wants to paint it as "Obama's sequester," either it is or it isn't, you can't keep going back and forth whenever your argument needs a little boost.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19240602 - 12/07/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

1967 2,968 thousand

Have you ever heard of sub contractors?


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19240615 - 12/07/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So you're not going to stick by your claim that Reagan increased the Federal workforce by 200k more than Obama?  Isn't government hiring private companies to do their business something you approve of?


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19240663 - 12/07/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So you're not going to stick by your claim that Reagan increased the Federal workforce by 200k more than Obama?  Isn't government hiring private companies to do their business something you approve of?


I didn't make that claim.  You did.  The use of subcontractors, which is a newer thing, deflates the government payroll stats since they aren't counted as employees.  I will continue to try to educate you.  The Congress controls spending.  Look at this yummie table
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/08/federal-spending-by-the-numbers-2013

Until Republicans (and that does not necessarily mean conservative since Bush was no conservative) took back the House spending was going through the roof even while revenue was declining.

It aint gonna be my bill, junior.  My time in the workforce is coming to an end.  If you think you are going to be a useless piece of shit your whole life then vote for Dems.  If you think you can and would like to have a prosperous and productive independent life then vote the socialists out.  You're only fucking yourself unless you're a bum.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19240798 - 12/07/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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starfire_xes said:
I hear lots of talk about the need for governement regulation and control.  So I want to ask:

Who planted the idea in your mind (if it is in your mind) that businesses are automatically evil, profiteering entities led by tools with big mustaches and fat cigars hanging out of their mouths, and that their profits are evil and unfair, and that by God, they fuck over the average joe

AND:

the benign, helpful, awesome, Government has the answers and is the savior? :smirk:




Id say that business only operates in satisfying the shareholder, would you want a business putting out your fires? Or would you like a business policing your streets? What level of accountability do you think they will have, only to their shareholders will they have any accountability. I dont think the government necessarily has the answers to everything but I dont think the privatization of everything is a panacea to the worlds economic woes.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19240863 - 12/07/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Reagan was never a Hollywood bigshot except when he was president of the actors' union.  Hollywood today is a disgraceful cesspool of leftist propaganda.  Just watch the product. It is obvious.




More like a fool who played ball with the McCarthyites and cost a lot of good people their jobs, Something i find like a inquisition, the House Committee on Un-American affairs, a ridiculous auto-de-fe which is the antithesis to whatever is free and true in this country, your buddy Reagan held water for McCarthy and presided over the most shameful chapter of the screen actors guild.

Your ignorance makes itself very apparent in calling Obama a "socialist" You toss that word around like you even know what it means, be my guest and give us a good description, or do you need to post another link from breitbart or bill'o the clowns website to reinforce your groupthink.

Obama's policies are hardly socialist, lets see, has he done away with signature strikes which only create more islamofascists, nope. Did he nationalize any institution? He could easily done that with GM but he didnt. Last i checked shoring up a private business is far from socialism. In fact something like Obamacare was actually proposed under Nixon called the Health Insurance Reform Program, but i guess he was a big socialist.

Obama is not a socialist, he takes care of corporations, they love him, they have anointed him, he is controlled by special interests and big money, these things, are not ideal qualities of a socialist leader. If you level a charge at someone make sure its accurate, ad hominem repetitions of socialism make about as much sense as calling GWB a bleeding heart lib. Obama is just another center-right big business loving president.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #19240962 - 12/07/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Obama is not a socialist, he takes care of corporations, they love him, they have anointed him, he is controlled by special interests and big money, these things, are not ideal qualities of a socialist leader. If you level a charge at someone make sure its accurate, ad hominem repetitions of socialism make about as much sense as calling GWB a bleeding heart lib. Obama is just another center-right big business loving president.



I see obama as more of a corporatist/crony capitalist. Although there are are a lot of socialist type programs he supports, Obamacare being one of them.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19240979 - 12/07/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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psyconaught said:




I see obama as more of a corporatist/crony capitalist. Although there are are a lot of socialist type programs he supports, Obamacare being one of them.




Yea i can agree with this is as well, I dont think Obamacare is any more socialist then SS or medicare.


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