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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19491272 - 01/29/14 12:45 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

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Don't most criminal cases get settled as well?

I am quite sure the actual trials are mostly tedious unto death.  I just find the intellectual trappings far more interesting especially since it is a level field in the legal sense.  Preponderance of evidence vs beyond a reasonable doubt makes for far more intricate reasonings.




no they are not tedious to death, why would they be, they are actually trials. Do you actually know anything about trial? You talk a lot of shit about what attorneys do, because your daughter is one I guess, but you seem to have a lot of over hyped statements about what actually does and doesn't happen in trial, based on a few very famous cases, for example the OJ Simpson one you quote a lot. But in general on a more regular day to day basis no extremely all over t.v. trial you seem to make a lot statements based on absolute determinations that seem to have no relevance to how most trials perform.

I've actually known a few people in quite a lot of lawsuits, and from what I've seen the person who spends the most on the lawyer rolls over the other person in court. Sure, a lot of lawyers take cases based on the idea they will get paid at the end of the trial when a verdict is reached and they will accept a 50% fee on payment of settlement if it's not criminal court, and sometimes a top notch lawyer will take a case for a nobody based on the circumstances, but not usually.

According to you laws shouldn't exist as often anyway. Well I don't know what you think about social laws but as far as business laws go it seems to me you'd like to see most of them not exist anymore, because I guess you think for some reason people are more trusting in business situations then they are in social/criminal situations and don't need as much over sight and regulation in these things as they do on an every day social basis. Apples and oranges huh?

Oh right..... here comes the part where you say "I never said such a thing quote me and I'll blow you at Macy’s next to a mannikin." I guess I'm taking what you say out of context, because this in way is similar or reflects your general opinion


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19491317 - 01/29/14 12:56 PM (10 years, 1 day ago)

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You really don't think they make an assessment on that issue before trial?  Say after discovery somebody finds out that, Holy Shit, they knew that!
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Sure, most criminal cases don't go to trial, but it's something like ten times more likely in criminal than civil.  Over 99% of civil cases end before trial.  A lot of lawyers hate trial, but I love it.  It's a lot of work, but it's a rush.  I love the competition, and trial draws on many different skills that are either at your fingertips or you get pwned.




My wife's ex-husband is a criminal defense attorney who doesn't make much money because he was too lazy to actually get paying clients.  From what I understand from good sources he has an incredible rate of success at trial.

For my money I would rather trick somebody into killing his case in a deposition and then imagine the face palm when they figure out what just happened.




depositions are terrible. In most cases they are used to give a client a reason to settle for what they can get, which works well. Sure paying a law firm to take every single law suit a client gets can cost a million a year or much more, and often it costs more to pay a law firm to represent your defence then just to pay most settlements an up front 5k, at least for large corporations. Of course some large corporations have over a thousand law suits a year, and paying each person 5k would result in millions and millions in lawsuit settlements each year.

But really the point of hiring a big law firm to take your case isn't necessarily to pay less money, although that might be the initial point the reasoning has a lot more to do with reputation of a large company. None the less, the cases that don't get settled in depositions, get drawn out and drawn out, often most likely to avoid a trial and push a law suit past the statute of limitations. But for those that do get drawn out, and it finally gets to trial, jury's are often very pissed at a firm and very remorseful for a victim when someone was done wrong and delayed being payed for years and years and offered inconsistent settlements etc.

I personally feel half the reason that law suits turn into such a big deal is the fact that medical bills in injuries cost so much in the first place. E.g. Obama care changes who pays for medical care, but won't regulate how much medical care costs. Big fucking mistake in my opinion. Why should a law suit settlement reward a million dollars when the medical bills are only $2,000? Simply because it's never true, medical bills start out at like 15k and then as a persons condition deteriorates over and over and over and the cost of what will be their medical bills when they can afford paying for it from a settlement gets bigger and bigger, the initial settlements offered look like shit, and suddenly a million bucks doesn't look bad to a jury.

But truthfully despite these cases, most cases don't happen as such. Most cases a guy fucks himself up in a store, goes to a doctor and gets charged 8 grand, they offer the guy $900, and he takes it. Dumb of him of course, meanwhile most large case settlements results from minor injuries but extreme negligence in practice, and therefore the result is a large settlement, to someone who can offer a good lawyer a good percentage of the settlement, but at the same time pay them a high cost by the hour, and just deduct the costs being payed from the final percentage of what the lawyer will receive in the settlement


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: imachavel]
    #19491398 - 01/29/14 01:16 PM (10 years, 1 day ago)

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None the less, the cases that don't get settled in depositions, get drawn out and drawn out, often most likely to avoid a trial and push a law suit past the statute of limitations.


Please stop talking out of your ass.  Statute of limitations is tolled during litigation.

Of course, you won't see this because you have me on ignore.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Enlil]
    #19492237 - 01/29/14 04:30 PM (10 years, 1 day ago)

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None the less, the cases that don't get settled in depositions, get drawn out and drawn out, often most likely to avoid a trial and push a law suit past the statute of limitations.


Please stop talking out of your ass.  Statute of limitations is tolled during litigation.

Of course, you won't see this because you have me on ignore.





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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19492670 - 01/29/14 05:39 PM (10 years, 1 day ago)

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None the less, the cases that don't get settled in depositions, get drawn out and drawn out, often most likely to avoid a trial and push a law suit past the statute of limitations.


Please stop talking out of your ass.  Statute of limitations is tolled during litigation.

Of course, you won't see this because you have me on ignore.








The statute of limitations is tolled during litigation? When does litigation begin? Before the trial starts during a deposition or a discussion out of court where a settlement is offered. A deposition can be offered at any time to give a plaintiff credibility, as dumb as that sounds it happens often. Litigation is not technically when a trial starts but when lawyers argue or "discuss"

Lets just forget all that for a moment. Basically a statute of limitations for trial is not limited to a trial with a jury beginning. Trials can take years to start they can be delayed etc. The statute of limitations does not allow a trial to be delayed indefinitely, even if Zappa thinks it will

And thats weird I thought I took Enlil off ignore but apparently I imagined that :shrug:


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: imachavel]
    #19492714 - 01/29/14 05:45 PM (10 years, 1 day ago)

The statute of limitations is tolled starting the day that the complaint is filed, and the case can go on for many years.  I've known of cases that dragged on for over a decade.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: imachavel]
    #19492758 - 01/29/14 05:53 PM (10 years, 1 day ago)

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imachavel said:
None the less, the cases that don't get settled in depositions, get drawn out and drawn out, often most likely to avoid a trial and push a law suit past the statute of limitations.


Please stop talking out of your ass.  Statute of limitations is tolled during litigation.

Of course, you won't see this because you have me on ignore.








The statute of limitations is tolled during litigation? When does litigation begin? Before the trial starts during a deposition or a discussion out of court where a settlement is offered. A deposition can be offered at any time to give a plaintiff credibility, as dumb as that sounds it happens often. Litigation is not technically when a trial starts but when lawyers argue or "discuss"

Lets just forget all that for a moment. Basically a statute of limitations for trial is not limited to a trial with a jury beginning. Trials can take years to start they can be delayed etc. The statute of limitations does not allow a trial to be delayed indefinitely, even if Zappa thinks it will

And thats weird I thought I took Enlil off ignore but apparently I imagined that :shrug:




I just quoted that so you would see it.  I have almost no interest in the discussion.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19492827 - 01/29/14 06:02 PM (10 years, 1 day ago)

Very well then


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: imachavel]
    #19494069 - 01/29/14 10:09 PM (10 years, 1 day ago)

Bullshit Criminal cases don’t get dragged on forever. Ive had a minor charge tied up in court going on six months now and i probably won’t even see trial until may.

Don’t capital offenses and class A felonies take years? Not to mention federal offenses and anything to do with terrorism. Most those fucks in gauntanamo will never see the inside of a court room.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: elax420]
    #19494979 - 01/30/14 04:27 AM (10 years, 1 day ago)

Dont reply to the chav, its clear he has no idea what he's talking about


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: elax420]
    #19494995 - 01/30/14 04:46 AM (10 years, 1 day ago)

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Bullshit Criminal cases don’t get dragged on forever. Ive had a minor charge tied up in court going on six months now and i probably won’t even see trial until may.

Don’t capital offenses and class A felonies take years? Not to mention federal offenses and anything to do with terrorism. Most those fucks in gauntanamo will never see the inside of a court room.



He's talking about civil cases.  Criminal cases don't drag on nearly as long as civil cases can.  Sure, a criminal case can take a year or two, but that's the minimum in a civil case.  civil cases can go on for many years because there is no "right to a speedy trial"...however weak that right may be.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Enlil]
    #19495036 - 01/30/14 05:10 AM (10 years, 1 day ago)

hey you guys should start a legal thread or something


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: elax420]
    #19496839 - 01/30/14 02:42 PM (10 years, 22 hours ago)

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Bullshit Criminal cases don’t get dragged on forever. Ive had a minor charge tied up in court going on six months now and i probably won’t even see trial until may.






Why am I not surprised?


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