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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Echro]
#19453704 - 01/21/14 04:34 PM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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millzy said: who else is going to put restrictions on corporations aside from the government?
The Market. You can keep raising the costs to market entry through arbitrary barriers like regulations, but in the end this is what the corporations want, because only they can afford them. Poor & Disempowered members of society cannot. More & more of the population will continue to be excluded from self employment opportunities & have to turn to wage labor. Business has operated relatively unregulated before, & when it did there wasn't an oligopoly of conglomerates controlling everything. Let's just keep regulating shit. That'll break the strangle hold the privileged economic powers have held for the past hundred years 
Labor laws are the single most necessary regulations. Business run un regulated? Is that like a fairy tale or something? That sounds like something Id tell a 5 year old child and he might believe it "business would run better without rules, arent rules bad? People and freedom, me leadership philosophy, me smart."
However, a 10 year old would be smart enough to know better. And "less regulations equals better business"? Which ones? You are going to compare labor regulations to real estate laws? Well the rich would rather remove labor laws and keep real estate laws, thats better?
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: imachavel]
#19453719 - 01/21/14 04:38 PM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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People and freedom
did you really just equate people being free to child logic...
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19453932 - 01/21/14 05:23 PM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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millzy said: no that would be small government opening the door for corporations, hence the lack of regulations. you have no idea what you're talking about.
No you have no idea what you are talking about. This retarded obsession about corporations is gloriously illustrating the ignorance of the dingbat left. The left, who whole-heartedly embrace irresponsibility and unaccountability, are railing like lunatics against corporations, which entities exist precisely to provide protections from responsibility and accountability.
How do you stand on bankruptcy laws?
what the hell does any of what you're talking about have to do with what's being discussed in this thread? just because i don't want big business's dick in my ass doesn't make me some bleeding heart liberal. why is it that you always resort to ad hominem attacks when anyone says something that doesn't jibe with your tragically narrow worldview?
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: millzy]
#19454174 - 01/21/14 06:13 PM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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millzy said: no that would be small government opening the door for corporations, hence the lack of regulations. you have no idea what you're talking about.
No you have no idea what you are talking about. This retarded obsession about corporations is gloriously illustrating the ignorance of the dingbat left. The left, who whole-heartedly embrace irresponsibility and unaccountability, are railing like lunatics against corporations, which entities exist precisely to provide protections from responsibility and accountability.
How do you stand on bankruptcy laws?
what the hell does any of what you're talking about have to do with what's being discussed in this thread? just because i don't want big business's dick in my ass doesn't make me some bleeding heart liberal. why is it that you always resort to ad hominem attacks when anyone says something that doesn't jibe with your tragically narrow worldview?
There is no company dick in your ass, big or small, and nothing I said was an ad hominem attack. Get a dictionary. You said something that was nonsense. Which I took apart.
If you do not like what any company does you have the option to NOT USE THEIR SHIT OR WORK FOR THEM.
How do you stand on bankruptcy laws?
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19454355 - 01/21/14 06:47 PM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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for starters, you called me a "left wing dingbat". if that isn't ad hominem i don't know what is. moreover, corporations play no small hand in creating public policy that is often not in the consumer's best interest. this is not left wing propaganda but rather irrefutable fact that can be backed with an ocean of historical data. and since you asked me again, i'll ask you what does bankruptcy laws have to do with anything?
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: millzy]
#19454614 - 01/21/14 07:45 PM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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meanwhile, in VA...
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/va-gov-bob-mcdonnell-wife-indicted-corruption-article-1.1586861
Former Virgina Gov. Bob McDonnell may not like New York’s gun policies — but his wife Maureen sure loves to shop here.
The McDonnells were hit by the feds with corruption charges Tuesday, and the 43-page indictment includes Maureen McDonnell’s $20,000 Manhattan shopping spree among the eye-popping list of gifts and goodies authorities say a Richmond businessman illegally lavished on the couple. Authorities allege that McDonnell and his wife sought and received golf fees, stock, loans and flat-out bribes from the businessman, Jonnie Williams. The gift-giver in return allegedly got gubernatorial aid promoting Star Scientific, a Virginia-based firm hawking dicey dietary supplements.
One of the first alleged corrupt acts came when Maureen McDonnell, accompanying her husband to a December 2009 event, asked Williams for “assistance” finding a dress for her husband’s 2010 inauguration.
She agreed to a “rain check” on the dress — and collected during an April 2011 trip, the indictment charges.
Allegedly in exchange for a seat next to to the governor at an event at New York’s Union League Club, Williams paid for Maureen McDonnell’s shopping frenzy.
he spent $10,999 at Oscar de la Renta, $5,685 at Louis Vuitton and $2,604 at Bergdorf Goodman, the indictment says.
For years, McDonnell, a conservative Republican who left office in December because of term limits, feuded with former Mayor Michael Bloomberg over gun laws. Bloomberg argued Virginia’s permissive laws allowed the city to be flooded with weapons. McDonnell repeatedly suggested New York worry about its own crime. A McConnell spokeswoman last summer suggested Virginia cops might “be of assistance in ensuring public safety in New York City.”
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: psyconaught]
#19455117 - 01/21/14 09:58 PM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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People and freedom
did you really just equate people being free to child logic...
No but you are good at twisting what I say out of context. I don't consider a lack of "labour laws" to freedom, I considered the idea of labour laws taking away freedom to child logic, which I support. I never said that no labour laws is freedom.
Do all people have to own a business? Is owning a business something everyone does in this world once in their life and forcing them into labour laws is taking away a persons freedom? You know they have countries with less labour laws if you don't like this one so much why don't you move to another one and defend their lack of labour laws? Once again I don't feel bad for business owners that cry about a wage increase hurting their business. Not everyone can run a business making sales is hard work, if it wasn't everyone could do it.
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: mycoprog]
#19455121 - 01/21/14 09:58 PM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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mycoprog said: meanwhile, in VA...
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/va-gov-bob-mcdonnell-wife-indicted-corruption-article-1.1586861
Former Virgina Gov. Bob McDonnell may not like New York’s gun policies — but his wife Maureen sure loves to shop here.
The McDonnells were hit by the feds with corruption charges Tuesday, and the 43-page indictment includes Maureen McDonnell’s $20,000 Manhattan shopping spree among the eye-popping list of gifts and goodies authorities say a Richmond businessman illegally lavished on the couple. Authorities allege that McDonnell and his wife sought and received golf fees, stock, loans and flat-out bribes from the businessman, Jonnie Williams. The gift-giver in return allegedly got gubernatorial aid promoting Star Scientific, a Virginia-based firm hawking dicey dietary supplements.
One of the first alleged corrupt acts came when Maureen McDonnell, accompanying her husband to a December 2009 event, asked Williams for “assistance” finding a dress for her husband’s 2010 inauguration.
She agreed to a “rain check” on the dress — and collected during an April 2011 trip, the indictment charges.
Allegedly in exchange for a seat next to to the governor at an event at New York’s Union League Club, Williams paid for Maureen McDonnell’s shopping frenzy.
he spent $10,999 at Oscar de la Renta, $5,685 at Louis Vuitton and $2,604 at Bergdorf Goodman, the indictment says.
For years, McDonnell, a conservative Republican who left office in December because of term limits, feuded with former Mayor Michael Bloomberg over gun laws. Bloomberg argued Virginia’s permissive laws allowed the city to be flooded with weapons. McDonnell repeatedly suggested New York worry about its own crime. A McConnell spokeswoman last summer suggested Virginia cops might “be of assistance in ensuring public safety in New York City.”
sorry what is the relevance?
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: imachavel]
#19455188 - 01/21/14 10:15 PM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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the reply wasn't directed at your post. I just found it fitting with all the pay-2-play talk.
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? *DELETED* [Re: mycoprog]
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: EddYerb]
#19456667 - 01/22/14 09:23 AM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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How would there be monopolies if there's no barriers to market entry? A business couldn't hold an exclusive post in the economy for long if other people are not prohibited from entering & competing in the same field. We already have pitiful wages, it's called minimum wage, & it's largely responsible for the dissipation of wage mobility in the work place. If you want environmental protections don't trust a bureau with a precious natural resource that will be leased out to favored companies to squander. Demand the restoration of tort & nuisance laws. Polluters weren't always free from litigation in this country.
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: EddYerb]
#19456918 - 01/22/14 10:26 AM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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EddYerb said: Someone lay out to me how no regulation will not lead to pitiful wages for the majority of people and environmental degradation.
Do you really believe that there won't be huge monopolies? If not.. How?
How can you possibly think that.
If you are an idiot you can think that. If you are an idiot you can think removing minimum wage will remove all the other stupid useless regulations expensive licenses and regulations that stop people from just walking down the side walk running their own business with no other employees. I feel that people in this country have a wipe ass mentality, that a business owner who is too cheap to pay above $56 a day should have his ass wiped. I don't think people un skilled should run a business, if you could remove all the other retarded regulations e.g. real estate regulations so anyone could sell a house for a friend and make a commission there would be "fair enterprise" and then all these retarded ideas that business owners need pampers to shit in because they are infants running a business would disappear, the world would change and a 14 year old could walk down the street selling his own product or service and he wouldn't have the respect to actually be able to hire employees and bitch about wages if he wasn't competent enough to take his one man business and turn it into a growing enterprise with real skill instead of just inheritance
I personally feel people are confusing "fair labour laws" with regulations in general. Getting rid of fair labour laws will never turn this country into anything other then another pathetic third world country like the Philippines.
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: imachavel]
#19457007 - 01/22/14 10:45 AM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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Nice rant, bro. Was there a point in there somewhere?
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: millzy]
#19458228 - 01/22/14 03:47 PM (10 years, 8 days ago) |
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millzy said: for starters, you called me a "left wing dingbat". if that isn't ad hominem i don't know what is.
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moreover, corporations play no small hand in creating public policy that is often not in the consumer's best interest.
Corporations are not beholden to act in the consumer's best interest Quote:
this is not left wing propaganda but rather irrefutable fact that can be backed with an ocean of historical data.
It is not their responsibility to look out for your interests. It is their responsibility to look out for their owner's best interests. It is YOUR responsibility to look out for your best interests which can only be determined by YOU. Or your Momma. Expecting them to give a shit about you beyond how they can get you to buy their shit is precisely left wing, nanny state propaganda.Quote:
and since you asked me again, i'll ask you what does bankruptcy laws have to do with anything?
Unaccountability and irresponsibility. Now answer the question.
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: EddYerb]
#19458239 - 01/22/14 03:49 PM (10 years, 8 days ago) |
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EddYerb said: Someone lay out to me how no regulation will not lead to pitiful wages for the majority of people and environmental degradation.
Pitiful wages? Work for yourself. Environmental degradation? torts. Sue them into oblivion. Hold them personally liable. Eliminate bankruptcy protection.
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19459870 - 01/22/14 09:23 PM (10 years, 8 days ago) |
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I called the entirety of the left dingbats, not you per se.
If you consider him/her left wing, and call all of them "dingbats," than you are calling that user a "left wing dingbat."
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Corporations are not beholden to act in the consumer's best interest
No, they aren't. Do you want a cookie?
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It is not their responsibility to look out for your interests. It is their responsibility to look out for their owner's best interests. It is YOUR responsibility to look out for your best interests which can only be determined by YOU. Or your Momma. Expecting them to give a shit about you beyond how they can get you to buy their shit is precisely left wing, nanny state propaganda.
It's so funny how you talk about other people's parents covering their expenses, all while you pay your two children's entire expenses. You call other people living off their parent's dime "leaches," yet you have paid every bill your children have ever been billed.
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: millzy]
#19460126 - 01/22/14 10:30 PM (10 years, 8 days ago) |
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millzy said: who else is going to put restrictions on corporations aside from the government?
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millzy said: who else is going to put restrictions on corporations aside from the government?
The government isn't going to put restrictions on corporations when they are in bed with them.
You know whose fault it is the government lets business run amok? Its the peoples fault for voting these same sorry assholes into office every election cycle.
If 50 million people told their congressmen they didn't want farm subsidies or they wouldn't vote for them, there wouldn't be farm subsidies.
Instead people are more worried about getting free stuff for themselves than getting the fucking government under control.
Everyone is bought and and paid for. The people have become whores who get paid Free Stuff for their vote.
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: starfire_xes]
#19460137 - 01/22/14 10:32 PM (10 years, 8 days ago) |
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Farm subsidies aren't the problem. The problem is the people getting the farm subsides don't need them. They would be profitable without the free government money, but when they receive the free money they are untouchable.
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19460193 - 01/22/14 10:43 PM (10 years, 8 days ago) |
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Actually, I kind of agree. And some commodities would be a lot cheaper. Dairy subsidies, sugar subsidies, they keep the price of those commodities artificially high.
As long as the people don't demand that congress get rid of them, they will keep getting them.
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: starfire_xes]
#19460196 - 01/22/14 10:44 PM (10 years, 8 days ago) |
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I just smoked a blunt.
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