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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19449487 - 01/20/14 07:57 PM (10 years, 10 days ago)

and they couldn't have been built wo/the slave labor, even with gov money.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: sweeper54]
    #19449547 - 01/20/14 08:09 PM (10 years, 10 days ago)

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and they couldn't have been built wo/the slave labor, even with gov money.



Really?  How come they are still building rails lines with overpaid union labor?


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: sweeper54]
    #19449567 - 01/20/14 08:14 PM (10 years, 10 days ago)

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and they couldn't have been built wo/the slave labor, even with gov money.



http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award99/cubhtml/theme1.html

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Discriminatory legislation forced many Chinese out of the gold fields and into low-paying, menial, and often arduous jobs. In many cases, they took on the most dangerous and least desirable components of work available.



the government forced the chinese 'slave laborers' into these positions.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19450552 - 01/20/14 11:30 PM (10 years, 10 days ago)

They are incorporated with each other. Bad or good?


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: AdamD]
    #19450578 - 01/20/14 11:35 PM (10 years, 10 days ago)

i thinking the intermingling of big business and big government is awful. Get business out of the government and shrink the federal government all together!


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19450589 - 01/20/14 11:38 PM (10 years, 10 days ago)

I agree!!!:smile: lets go make a chane man! People know that this is all fucked up. And talking about it is good. But more needs to be done. What should happen?


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: millzy]
    #19451769 - 01/21/14 07:58 AM (10 years, 10 days ago)

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psyconaught said:
thats the thing though, the railroads never would have been able to do what they did without support from the government though.




okay, so let's go back to my original statement. i'll amend it for clarity.


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millzy said:
historically, starting with the advent of the rails, every time big business has been granted free reign by the government the people get fucked. the only way big business can be controlled is through government. unfortunately big business and government are so intertwined now that they are one in the same.




i'll recap it again for you just in case.

when the government allows big business to operate unregulated, people get the shit end of the stick. the only way to keep that in check is through government regulations rather than deregulation. government is both the cause and the solution to this problem. i hope we have come to an understanding now.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: millzy]
    #19451876 - 01/21/14 08:38 AM (10 years, 10 days ago)

Corporations are the reason why everything is fucked up in this country. We need to put more restrictions on corporations because they pay the politicians to change the laws in their favor. The government isn't too powerful, the corporations are. The government is just there to change the law for people who aren't lawmakers. It is more complicated than this but I don't feel like repeating what I've said hundreds of times before.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: mindgnome]
    #19451889 - 01/21/14 08:43 AM (10 years, 10 days ago)

who else is going to put restrictions on corporations aside from the government?


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: millzy]
    #19451929 - 01/21/14 08:57 AM (10 years, 10 days ago)

Consumers, Montgomery Alabama public transit was just about dead a week into the bus boycotts. Circa 1960 something


Edited by myc_check1212 (01/21/14 09:03 AM)


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: millzy]
    #19451933 - 01/21/14 09:00 AM (10 years, 10 days ago)

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who else is going to put restrictions on corporations aside from the government?




The Market. You can keep raising the costs to market entry through arbitrary barriers like regulations, but in the end this is what the corporations want, because only they can afford them. Poor & Disempowered members of society cannot. More & more of the population will continue to be excluded from self employment opportunities & have to turn to wage labor. Business has operated relatively unregulated before, & when it did there wasn't an oligopoly of conglomerates controlling everything. Let's just keep regulating shit. That'll break the strangle hold the privileged economic powers have held for the past hundred years :lmafo:


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: mindgnome]
    #19451960 - 01/21/14 09:07 AM (10 years, 10 days ago)

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We need to put more restrictions on corporations because they pay the politicians to change the laws in their favor.



That's illegal, and I am sure it very rarely happens.  Do you have any source to support the notion that it frequently happens?


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Enlil]
    #19452204 - 01/21/14 10:40 AM (10 years, 9 days ago)

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That's illegal, and I am sure it very rarely happens.




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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: millzy]
    #19452410 - 01/21/14 11:36 AM (10 years, 9 days ago)

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thats the thing though, the railroads never would have been able to do what they did without support from the government though.




okay, so let's go back to my original statement. i'll amend it for clarity.


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millzy said:
historically, starting with the advent of the rails, every time big business has been granted free reign by the government the people get fucked. the only way big business can be controlled is through government. unfortunately big business and government are so intertwined now that they are one in the same.




i'll recap it again for you just in case.

when the government allows big business to operate unregulated, people get the shit end of the stick. the only way to keep that in check is through government regulations rather than deregulation. government is both the cause and the solution to this problem. i hope we have come to an understanding now.



government granting favors is not a business operating in a free market. Sure you might be able to say the railroads were 'unregulated' because the gov. didn't stop them from doing what they did, but the railroads never would have been able to do what they did in the first place if it wasn't for government handouts, favors, and racist legislation. It was a government created problem, corporations only gain power once they are able to buy enough of it from big government.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19452617 - 01/21/14 12:19 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

the government opened the door for the corporations to create the problems. the only entity capable of closing that door so that can't happen is the government via the people. our market is about as free as it gets.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: millzy]
    #19452747 - 01/21/14 12:50 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

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the government opened the door for the corporations to create the problems. the only entity capable of closing that door so that can't happen is the government via the people. our market is about as free as it gets.



so big government created the problem therefore we need more big government? Man that logic is sound.

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our market is about as free as it gets.



This is one of the most asinine statements i've ever read on the shroomery.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19453393 - 01/21/14 03:27 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

no that would be small government opening the door for corporations, hence the lack of regulations. you have no idea what you're talking about.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: millzy]
    #19453449 - 01/21/14 03:41 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

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no that would be small government opening the door for corporations, hence the lack of regulations. you have no idea what you're talking about.



No you have no idea what you are talking about.  This retarded obsession about corporations is gloriously illustrating the ignorance of the dingbat left.  The left, who whole-heartedly embrace irresponsibility and unaccountability, are railing like lunatics against corporations, which entities exist precisely to provide protections from responsibility and accountability. 

How do you stand on bankruptcy laws?


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: mindgnome]
    #19453645 - 01/21/14 04:23 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

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Corporations are the reason why everything is fucked up in this country. We need to put more restrictions on corporations because they pay the politicians to change the laws in their favor. The government isn't too powerful, the corporations are. The government is just there to change the law for people who aren't lawmakers. It is more complicated than this but I don't feel like repeating what I've said hundreds of times before.




Because corporations are too powerful, goverment is too powerful. Im amazed when people think "the rich are more motivated then the poor, which is why they are rich." What about native american indians? They had all their land taken away in exchange to live on reservations. Then later as reparation for having their economy destroyed to live on this tiny amount of land they are given rights to casinos that most cannot run in accordance to law. Now they all get a share of all casinos profits, and most indians by 15 arent doing shit and never will be because they dont have to.

Why is American business any different from this concept? Donald Trumps son will one day inherit the company, does that mean he is a hard worker?


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: millzy]
    #19453656 - 01/21/14 04:25 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

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who else is going to put restrictions on corporations aside from the government?




Thats the problem, no one else can so its in the hands of a bunch of people we hate. But its better than nothing


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