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InvisibleNWlight
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Obama care is doubling my health costs * 4
    #19204932 - 11/29/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Just found out today that because of the government trying to help people out with health costs, my hospital bills are DOUBLING.  plus my insurance bill is going up as well.


thanks, obama.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: NWlight] * 1
    #19204943 - 11/29/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

but hey, at least you got an obama phone right? :wellidunno:


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: JesusIsLord] * 2
    #19204964 - 11/29/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quit whining OP, everybody has to pay twice as much now.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Patlal] * 3
    #19204979 - 11/29/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quit whining OP, everybody has to pay twice as much now.



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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: NWlight]
    #19204984 - 11/29/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Don't bitch OP, its for the collective and it applies to everyone.  Ummm....I mean everyone except for the eltists in governments....mmmm....I mean everyone except the elitists in government and their cronies with large voting constituencies such as unions.... :smirk:


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Patlal]
    #19204986 - 11/29/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i have a friend who tried to sign up through aca. the plan for her was way expensive. like $179 a month with a high deductible. i don't even think it had script copay. i finally have health insurance after three long years without it through my company. i pay $120 a month for medical with script copay, dental and long term disability. i recall my deductible being reasonable as well.

i don't know if my plan now is more or less what it would've been pre-aca. but if me paying a little more helps someone else live better then i'm okay with that.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: NWlight] * 3
    #19205001 - 11/29/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

obummer care is the most horrific un-thought out ridiculous piece of shit bill ever..

if they wanted to do it right, do it like canada, where everyone has to pay or put anti gouging laws in place..

pretty simple.. they clusterfucked basic thought.


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InvisibleNWlight
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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: rackem]
    #19205012 - 11/29/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I used to have the so-called "cadillac plan"... my insurance company paid 90% of my hospital costs.

now they only pay 80%

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OfflineThe Vapor
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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: NWlight] * 6
    #19205013 - 11/29/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:trolldance: <---- obama


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: NWlight]
    #19205015 - 11/29/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

thats still a good portion...

must be a good company..

still fuck obummer care..

its a tax, not anything else.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: rackem] * 1
    #19205047 - 11/29/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It is the road to Pan-European socialism and woe be unto us.  This is REALLY going to suck.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Patlal]
    #19205052 - 11/29/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Wha the fuuck. where else do people speak english?  How can going under the radar work now. what happens if i don't pay


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Caddilac]
    #19205066 - 11/29/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Wha the fuuck. where else do people speak english?  How can going under the radar work now. what happens if i don't pay




Other english speaking countries already have some version of public healthcare. Your country is backwards and behind the times.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Cyclohexylamine] * 4
    #19205098 - 11/29/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

gobbles!



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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: JesusIsLord] * 2
    #19205108 - 11/29/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Fuck obamacare


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: mpd]
    #19205125 - 11/29/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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mpd said:
It is the road to Pan-European socialism and woe be unto us.  This is REALLY going to suck.



you can tell this is true because of how many threads are made about the fucked up condition our universal healthcare system is in


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19205132 - 11/29/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Isn't it ironic how the people who made this law are the only ones exempt? How does that make any sense, only in america:shrug:


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Magicman69] * 1
    #19205141 - 11/29/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Isn't it ironic how the people who made this law are the only ones exempt? How does that make any sense, only in america:shrug:



pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.


just move along sir :ifyoucanawe:


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: JesusIsLord]
    #19205155 - 11/29/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nothing to see here...


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #19205161 - 11/29/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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mpd said:
It is the road to Pan-European socialism and woe be unto us.  This is REALLY going to suck.



you can tell this is true because of how many threads are made about the fucked up condition our universal healthcare system is in




:thumbup:


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Cyclohexylamine] * 1
    #19205185 - 11/29/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

At least this clusterfuck will prompt President Hilary to push for a single payer system, something we should have had a decade ago.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19205200 - 11/29/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What do you guys think about Dr. Ben Carson? He's a black republican who has some cool ideas. Any chance he will run for president?


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InvisibleNWlight
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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Magicman69]
    #19205204 - 11/29/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

two black people in a row is pushing it man.  this is still 'muraca

not even racist just callin it how i see it


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: NWlight]
    #19205214 - 11/29/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah and a woman (Hillary) isn't pushing it? :lol: Although I wish she'd have won the nomination over Obama as she's not quite as diehard liberal


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InvisibleNWlight
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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Magicman69]
    #19205233 - 11/29/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i'm feeling a white male elected next.

we can't have a minority then a woman right after that, we're not trying to impress anyone.  baby steps...


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Magicman69]
    #19205243 - 11/29/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What do you guys think about Dr. Ben Carson? He's a black republican who has some cool ideas. Any chance he will run for president?



I think he's a badass as he shat on obama at that one press conference or whatever shindig. Fuckin brave dude and smart too.

Tired of fucking lawyers and dipshits being president. A neurosurgeon? I'm down.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: NWlight]
    #19205246 - 11/29/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Only a complete moron would vote for an incompetent, bumbling, lying ideologue like hillary.  Considering 50.5% of the electorate are morons, I believe she will be the next president.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: rackem]
    #19205260 - 11/29/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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rackem said:
obummer care is the most horrific un-thought out ridiculous piece of shit bill ever..

if they wanted to do it right, do it like canada, where everyone has to pay or put anti gouging laws in place..

pretty simple.. they clusterfucked basic thought.



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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19205262 - 11/29/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
Only a complete moron would vote for an incompetent, bumbling, lying ideologue like hillary.  Considering 50.5% of the electorate are morons, I believe she will be the next president.



hilldawg '16


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19205267 - 11/29/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
Only a complete moron would vote for an incompetent, bumbling, lying ideologue like hillary.  Considering 50.5% of the electorate are morons, I believe she will be the next president.




I wonder how much of the electorate is morons when they agree with you.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: JesusIsLord]
    #19205271 - 11/29/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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JesusIsLord said:
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starfire_xes said:
Only a complete moron would vote for an incompetent, bumbling, lying ideologue like hillary.  Considering 50.5% of the electorate are morons, I believe she will be the next president.



hilldawg '16





after the benghazi fiasco and her complete lack of any acheivment on the foreign policy front, I would find it hard to believe anyone would even consider her a serious candidate UNLESS they believe a serious candidate is the one the mainstream media touts.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19205279 - 11/29/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's always "the will of the people" until the GOP is the minority, then the people are brainwashed steeple obamabots.

Move to a more conservative state if you don't like it: like Russia or Saudi Arabia.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Magicman69]
    #19205288 - 11/29/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Isn't it ironic how the people who made this law are the only ones exempt? How does that make any sense, only in america:shrug:




Not really true because most of the people who voted the ACA into law got voted out of office in '10. 

Obamacare sucks the fucknut.  And the really controversial and facepalming elements of the law haven't even started yet.  The individual mandate and some other parts of the law that are going to cause major problems have been postponed and won't take effect until just before the midterm elections.  Obama couldn't do more to sabotage his party if he were doing it on purpose...unless he's doing it on purpose.;


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19205291 - 11/29/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
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JesusIsLord said:
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starfire_xes said:
Only a complete moron would vote for an incompetent, bumbling, lying ideologue like hillary.  Considering 50.5% of the electorate are morons, I believe she will be the next president.



hilldawg '16





after the benghazi fiasco and her complete lack of any acheivment on the foreign policy front, I would find it hard to believe anyone would even consider her a serious candidate UNLESS they believe a serious candidate is the one the mainstream media touts.




Preemptive conspiracies now? Making ones up on the spot obviously hasn't played well over the past year so now there's gotta be lots of thought put into the excuses for losing 3 years from now.

Like it or not Hilary is a centrist, and since the GOP voter base is shrinking faster than it's "rising party leaders," she'll win in a landslide.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19205304 - 11/29/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I always love the "(Democrats/Republicans) are trying to destroy America" line.

I guess it makes it easier to think in a straight line when your brain blocks off all the other roads.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19205308 - 11/29/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
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JesusIsLord said:
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starfire_xes said:
Only a complete moron would vote for an incompetent, bumbling, lying ideologue like hillary.  Considering 50.5% of the electorate are morons, I believe she will be the next president.



hilldawg '16





after the benghazi fiasco and her complete lack of any acheivment on the foreign policy front, I would find it hard to believe anyone would even consider her a serious candidate UNLESS they believe a serious candidate is the one the mainstream media touts.



that's just what they want you to think  :tinfoil:


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19205321 - 11/29/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
It's always "the will of the people" until the GOP is the minority, then the people are brainwashed steeple obamabots.

Move to a more conservative state if you don't like it: like Russia or Saudi Arabia.





you must like Mrs. Bigg Butt know nothing lawyer with the name 'Clinton' that automatically qualifies her for office. 

By the way, if 'the will of the people' is what guides america, why isn't Obamacare shitcanned?  Well over 50% of Americans want it repealed in its entirety.

Note that I am not saying health CARE system in US doesn't need reform.  I am saying Obamacare is a piece of shit pushed down our throats by a carefully crafted con game.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Magicman69]
    #19205324 - 11/29/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What do you guys think about Dr. Ben Carson? He's a black republican who has some cool ideas. Any chance he will run for president?






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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19205330 - 11/29/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My parents own their own business and mentioned how they don't hire full time employees now because they can't afford to offer insurance. This whole thing is fucked up and has an eery feeling about it. There is a fundamental change in our government that is taking place. More control, more regulations, more taxes, more government! What can we do about it?!


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19205334 - 11/29/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
It's always "the will of the people" until the GOP is the minority, then the people are brainwashed steeple obamabots.

Move to a more conservative state if you don't like it: like Russia or Saudi Arabia.





you must like Mrs. Bigg Butt know nothing lawyer with the name 'Clinton' that automatically qualifies her for office. 

By the way, if 'the will of the people' is what guides america, why isn't Obamacare shitcanned?  Well over 50% of Americans want it repealed in its entirety.

Note that I am not saying health CARE system in US doesn't need reform.  I am saying Obamacare is a piece of shit pushed down our throats by a carefully crafted con game.



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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Magicman69]
    #19205340 - 11/29/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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My parents own their own business and mentioned how they don't hire full time employees now because they can't afford to offer insurance. This whole thing is fucked up and has an eery feeling about it. There is a fundamental change in our government that is taking place. More control, more regulations, more taxes, more government! What can we do about it?!



violent revolution :shrug:


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: JesusIsLord]
    #19205402 - 11/29/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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My parents own their own business and mentioned how they don't hire full time employees now because they can't afford to offer insurance. This whole thing is fucked up and has an eery feeling about it. There is a fundamental change in our government that is taking place. More control, more regulations, more taxes, more government! What can we do about it?!



violent revolution :shrug:




Yeah there was that one time some of the states didn't like the federal government and 3% of the country died.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19205410 - 11/29/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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My parents own their own business and mentioned how they don't hire full time employees now because they can't afford to offer insurance. This whole thing is fucked up and has an eery feeling about it. There is a fundamental change in our government that is taking place. More control, more regulations, more taxes, more government! What can we do about it?!



violent revolution :shrug:




Yeah there was that one time some of the states didn't like the federal government and 3% of the country died.



you might not know this but there are things that gnaw on a man worse than death


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19205411 - 11/29/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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My parents own their own business and mentioned how they don't hire full time employees now because they can't afford to offer insurance. This whole thing is fucked up and has an eery feeling about it. There is a fundamental change in our government that is taking place. More control, more regulations, more taxes, more government! What can we do about it?!



violent revolution :shrug:




Yeah there was that one time some of the states didn't like the federal government and 3% of the country died.





Its good for the government to suppress those who disagree with it, right? :smirk:


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19205632 - 11/29/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think the health care law is doing goooooD!

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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: NWlight]
    #19205633 - 11/29/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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thanks, obama.




That's what the corporations are saying. What, you thought obamacare was created to benefit the people?


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19206134 - 11/29/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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My parents own their own business and mentioned how they don't hire full time employees now because they can't afford to offer insurance. This whole thing is fucked up and has an eery feeling about it. There is a fundamental change in our government that is taking place. More control, more regulations, more taxes, more government! What can we do about it?!



violent revolution :shrug:




Yeah there was that one time some of the states didn't like the federal government and 3% of the country died.



you might not know this but there are things that gnaw on a man worse than death




Lol I don't know if you're trying to say outlawing slavery gnaws on a man, or if youre equating slavery to modern conservative causes like lower taxes and guns. Either way, that man is just gonna have to deal with it because the US government will not be overthrown.

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My parents own their own business and mentioned how they don't hire full time employees now because they can't afford to offer insurance. This whole thing is fucked up and has an eery feeling about it. There is a fundamental change in our government that is taking place. More control, more regulations, more taxes, more government! What can we do about it?!



violent revolution :shrug:




Yeah there was that one time some of the states didn't like the federal government and 3% of the country died.





Its good for the government to suppress those who disagree with it, right? :smirk:




How are Republicans being suppressed?


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19206138 - 11/29/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

OP, provide proof.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19206581 - 11/29/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I was quoting K. Costner from Open Range, but your interpretations are amusing. :taco:


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: JesusIsLord]
    #19208071 - 11/30/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Wha the fuuck. where else do people speak english?  How can going under the radar work now. what happens if i don't pay




Other english speaking countries already have some version of public healthcare. Your country is backwards and behind the times.





just a note - making people pay a fine if they don't get health insurance is hardly a step towards a public healthcare system like for instance france's. Not that you were suggesting that, but...



also, a stronger centralized government is not what we need. Smaller governement would definitely be ideal.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: millzy]
    #19208174 - 11/30/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i have a friend who tried to sign up through aca. the plan for her was way expensive. like $179 a month with a high deductible. i don't even think it had script copay. i finally have health insurance after three long years without it through my company. i pay $120 a month for medical with script copay, dental and long term disability. i recall my deductible being reasonable as well.

i don't know if my plan now is more or less what it would've been pre-aca. but if me paying a little more helps someone else live better then i'm okay with that.



You have it through your company but it will disappear next year because it doesn't comply with the Obamacare requirements and it only still exists because the dictator for life extended the deadline for companies.  Enjoy your looming buttfuck.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #19208190 - 11/30/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Wha the fuuck. where else do people speak english?  How can going under the radar work now. what happens if i don't pay




Other english speaking countries already have some version of public healthcare. Your country is backwards and behind the times.



Other English speaking countries have abysmally shitty public health care.  Their health systems are also collapsing financially.  The American electorate is NOT in favor of making the mistakes other countries have.  Let me repeat that for those of you who don't know shit about Americans.  The majority of them do not want government run health care. 
http://www.kfor1240.com/Poll-Most-Americans-Don-t-Support-Government-Run-H/17794453

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The latest Gallup poll reflects a growing number of voters who believe it shouldn't be the responsibility of the federal government to make sure people have medical coverage by 56 percent to 42 percent.




We don't want it.  The only reason even 42% want it is because they are tit sucking leeches anyway.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #19208193 - 11/30/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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At least this clusterfuck will prompt President Hilary to push for a single payer system, something we should have had a decade ago.



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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19208200 - 11/30/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Mescalean]
    #19208208 - 11/30/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Don't thank Obama. Thank the Republicans, for forcing him to agree to this mandated insurance BS. Obama originally was campaigning for socialized medicine, not universal health insurance.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Crystal G]
    #19208230 - 11/30/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Don't thank Obama. Thank the Republicans, for forcing him to agree to this mandated insurance BS. Obama originally was campaigning for socialized medicine, not universal health insurance.



This is complete bullshit.  The Republicans had absolutely nothing to say about it and not one of them voted for it.  I don't think Obama even read it before he signed it.  I don't think Pelosi and Reid did either.  But I bet Paul Ryan did.

This clusterfuck is 100% on the Dems.  100%


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #19208261 - 11/30/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know much about obama care but I have never had any problems with the public health care in Canada. :shrug:


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19208265 - 11/30/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

At least I didn't vote for that ass hole. Months and months and years of arguing how cruel it is to not provide sick dying Americans free health care, and now it's not even free, you have to pay for it :lol:


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: imachavel]
    #19208269 - 11/30/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nobody said it would be free.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19208275 - 11/30/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't know much about obama care but I have never had any problems with the public health care in Canada. :shrug:



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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #19208276 - 11/30/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't know much about obama care but I have never had any problems with the public health care in Canada. :shrug:



Yep people are generally pretty happy with it from what I've seen.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19208308 - 11/30/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't know much about obama care but I have never had any problems with the public health care in Canada. :shrug:



How old are you?




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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19208324 - 11/30/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19208354 - 11/30/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't know much about obama care but I have never had any problems with the public health care in Canada. :shrug:



How old are you?




Old enough.



Old enough for what?  I've had health insurance my whole life and between the ages of 20 and 45 went to the doctor less than 5 times and for essentially nothing.  Worker's comp covered 2 of them anyway.  Unless you are sickly or older your experience is utterly meaningless


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #19208365 - 11/30/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

And because you happen to be relatively healthy (up to this point), you believe that everyone who isn't retarded probably is too, and therefore anything reeking of collectivism would be morally wrong. Interesting view.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #19208396 - 11/30/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't know much about obama care but I have never had any problems with the public health care in Canada. :shrug:



How old are you?




Old enough.



Old enough for what?  I've had health insurance my whole life and between the ages of 20 and 45 went to the doctor less than 5 times and for essentially nothing.  Worker's comp covered 2 of them anyway.  Unless you are sickly or older your experience is utterly meaningless



It's possible to have plenty of experience with how the health system works without being sickly or old yourself.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: psi] * 1
    #19208403 - 11/30/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I dislike government in most areas but I can't see a fellow mate go without an operation he needs no matter how much it costs.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: koraks]
    #19208426 - 11/30/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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And because you happen to be relatively healthy (up to this point), you believe that everyone who isn't retarded probably is too, and therefore anything reeking of collectivism would be morally wrong. Interesting view.




:lolsy:That wasn't the point of my challenging his experience of the Canadian health system.  My point in challenging his experience of the Canadian Health Care system was that it was almost certainly irrelevant for anybody who is a young healthy male to bother putting forth his personal experience as an example of it's efficacy.

I have made hundreds of posts about how shitty Canada's health system really is as I have about the shit that is England's.  That was not one of them.  I don't know that I ever brought morality into it, though.  Kollektifism does destroy the individual but that is more a pragmatic judgment than a moral one.

Insurance companies are voluntarily entered into collectives.  Governments are coercively entered into Kollektifs.  Would you please make a case why I should be forced to pay for your health care?  Please include a rationale for why I cannot demand that you abstain from all drug use, exercise regularly, maintain a healthy body weight, avoid risky behavior (i.e. motorcycles, snow mobiles rock climbing, skiing, contact sports, etc.) or you get nothing.  Thanks in advance.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19208431 - 11/30/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I dislike government in most areas but I can't see a fellow mate go without an operation he needs no matter how much it costs.



Then you pay.  Set up a fund.  Take out loans.  Paying for it with my money is bullshit.  I don't even know the guy and I have better uses for the money.


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    #19208440 - 11/30/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Dark_Star]
    #19208449 - 11/30/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: psi]
    #19208452 - 11/30/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It's possible to have plenty of experience with how the health system works without being sickly or old yourself.




Fair enough.  I've had 2 potentially fatal cancers.  My odds of having survived both of them in the UK was slightly over 50%.  In the US it is over 90%.  Keep in mind I am well past 45.  How's that for an anecdote?


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Mescalean]
    #19208457 - 11/30/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19208523 - 11/30/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Don't thank Obama. Thank the Republicans, for forcing him to agree to this mandated insurance BS. Obama originally was campaigning for socialized medicine, not universal health insurance.



This is complete bullshit.  The Republicans had absolutely nothing to say about it and not one of them voted for it.  I don't think Obama even read it before he signed it.  I don't think Pelosi and Reid did either.  But I bet Paul Ryan did.

This clusterfuck is 100% on the Dems.  100%




Well, NPR said it was because the Republicans were refusing to pass the socialized medicine bill until the mandate was changed to universal health insurance. Because many members of the Republican party were lobbying and being funded by insurance companies. That was the deal they made. Remember, Obama originally wanted universal healthcare, not universal insurance?

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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19208535 - 11/30/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Would you please make a case why I should be forced to pay for your health care?



Because of the exact same reasons why we also pay together (you do in the US, I do elsewhere) for other (socio-technical) infrastructural aspects. Please make a case why health care specifically should be exempt from this.

As for the risk factors you mentioned: you left the most important one out. Genetics. You want to penalize people for being, say, BRCA1 carrier?

Anyway, I'm not even going to argue this with you. Time and again you have demonstrated being dogmatic when it comes to public policy. There's no need to argue with dogma. I'll gladly step aside and watch how it collapses by itself.

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Insurance companies are voluntarily entered into collectives.  Governments are coercively entered into Kollektifs.



(Ignoring the cheap trick suggesting that anything even approaching collectivism has anything to do with the Soviet doctrine -) The former's primary purpose is to maximize shareholder value. The second's primary purpose is to serve the interests of all people.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #19208603 - 11/30/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Don't thank Obama. Thank the Republicans, for forcing him to agree to this mandated insurance BS. Obama originally was campaigning for socialized medicine, not universal health insurance.



This is complete bullshit.  The Republicans had absolutely nothing to say about it and not one of them voted for it.  I don't think Obama even read it before he signed it.  I don't think Pelosi and Reid did either.  But I bet Paul Ryan did.

This clusterfuck is 100% on the Dems.  100%




Well, NPR said it was because the Republicans were refusing to pass the socialized medicine bill until the mandate was changed to universal health insurance. Because many members of the Republican party were lobbying and being funded by insurance companies. That was the deal they made. Remember, Obama originally wanted universal healthcare, not universal insurance?

Also, Crystal G for the Party On Party.





"Because many members of the Republican party were lobbying and being funded by insurance companies."

The majority of the health care/insurance lobbying money has been given to the Dems the last 2 years, why?  Obama care is getting the companies rich.

There was never any intention for universal health care by Obama, it was nothing more than rhetoric.


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    #19208609 - 11/30/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Crystal G]
    #19208616 - 11/30/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Don't thank Obama. Thank the Republicans, for forcing him to agree to this mandated insurance BS. Obama originally was campaigning for socialized medicine, not universal health insurance.



This is complete bullshit.  The Republicans had absolutely nothing to say about it and not one of them voted for it.  I don't think Obama even read it before he signed it.  I don't think Pelosi and Reid did either.  But I bet Paul Ryan did.

This clusterfuck is 100% on the Dems.  100%




Well, NPR said it was because the Republicans were refusing to pass the socialized medicine bill until the mandate was changed to universal health insurance. Because many members of the Republican party were lobbying and being funded by insurance companies. That was the deal they made. Remember, Obama originally wanted universal healthcare, not universal insurance?

Also, Crystal G for the Party On Party.




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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19208620 - 11/30/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/heres-a-map-of-the-countries-that-provide-universal-health-care-americas-still-not-on-it/259153/

Here is one to remind you that you're just some dude on a mushroom forum*, and the whole developed world has decided universal healthcare is the only civilized option. And the most efficient.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jun/30/healthcare-spending-world-country

Notice how we spend 17 percent of GDP while most countries don't break 10? And we certainly aren't any healthier. So in what fantasy world do you think you're convincing anyone you know better than the people who use a system who get better results for cheaper.

Delusional at best


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Crystal G]
    #19208688 - 11/30/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Crystal G said:
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zappaisgod said:
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Crystal G said:
Don't thank Obama. Thank the Republicans, for forcing him to agree to this mandated insurance BS. Obama originally was campaigning for socialized medicine, not universal health insurance.



This is complete bullshit.  The Republicans had absolutely nothing to say about it and not one of them voted for it.  I don't think Obama even read it before he signed it.  I don't think Pelosi and Reid did either.  But I bet Paul Ryan did.

This clusterfuck is 100% on the Dems.  100%




Well, NPR said it was because the Republicans were refusing to pass the socialized medicine bill until the mandate was changed to universal health insurance. Because many members of the Republican party were lobbying and being funded by insurance companies. That was the deal they made. Remember, Obama originally wanted universal healthcare, not universal insurance?

Also, Crystal G for the Party On Party.




NPR is a joke, they are stupid lying fuck apologists for any socialist policy.  Not one Republican voted for this bill.  It still passed.  But that isn't what squelched universal government health care.  Not enough Dems would support it.  They knew they would lose their jobs.  Do you not think there were people lobbying in favor of government health care?  Are lobbyists only evil when they oppose you?

I am going to repeat this.  Not one single Republican voted for this.  They had NOTHING to do with it.  It is all on the Dems.

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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Juicin]
    #19208695 - 11/30/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/heres-a-map-of-the-countries-that-provide-universal-health-care-americas-still-not-on-it/259153/

Here is one to remind you that you're just some dude on a mushroom forum*, and the whole developed world has decided universal healthcare is the only civilized option. And the most efficient.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jun/30/healthcare-spending-world-country

Notice how we spend 17 percent of GDP while most countries don't break 10? And we certainly aren't any healthier. So in what fantasy world do you think you're convincing anyone you know better than the people who use a system who get better results for cheaper.

Delusional at best




I don't care what the morons do.  Their health care is rationed, their citizens go to other countries for care if they can afford it, and they are going bankrupt.

Do you know what the most efficient health care is?  Kill everybody when they stop working.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19208715 - 11/30/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yea you don't care that they're just as healthy and spent about half what we do while giving the poor healthcare

Not to mention you can always just pay for medical care or private insurance, it's not "rationed". You're so wrong on this issue

We already buy healthcare collectively, that's why we spend 17.5 percent of our fucking GDP on it.


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    #19208731 - 11/30/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You have it through your company but it will disappear next year because it doesn't comply with the Obamacare requirements and it only still exists because the dictator for life extended the deadline for companies.  Enjoy your looming buttfuck.




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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: millzy]
    #19208750 - 11/30/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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but if me paying a little more helps someone else live better then i'm okay with that.





i agree.  now we wait and see if that part is true.

nothing else has been so far.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Juicin]
    #19208783 - 11/30/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Yea you don't care that they're just as healthy and spent about half what we do while giving the poor healthcare




We have had a program called Medicaid for almost 50 years that pays for the poor.  Ever heard about it?  And no, their health care is not as good.
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Not to mention you can always just pay for medical care or private insurance, it's not "rationed". You're so wrong on this issue




I don't believe that is true in Canada but so what?  You havceto pay for the shit and then you can pay for more?  Fuck that.
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We already buy healthcare collectively, that's why we spend 17.5 percent of our fucking GDP on it.




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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: millzy]
    #19208794 - 11/30/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You have it through your company but it will disappear next year because it doesn't comply with the Obamacare requirements and it only still exists because the dictator for life extended the deadline for companies.  Enjoy your looming buttfuck.




my benefits start in 2014 and they conform with ACA.




Are you sure?  Because it is expected that around 90 million people with employer health care are going to get notices that their plan is gone.  Poof.  Are you glad your heath plan will include lactation services?


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: k00laid]
    #19208806 - 11/30/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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but if me paying a little more helps someone else live better then i'm okay with that.





i agree.  now we wait and see if that part is true.

nothing else has been so far.




I sincerely doubt that it will be millzy paying a little more.  It is going to mean real taxpayers and independent people paying a lot more.  Also young people are getting completely ripped off, especially young single males for whom this is a complete cornhole.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19208899 - 11/30/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's good enough for senators and congressman

It's good enough for you

The part of Medicare that makes it special is that they have miniscule administration costs. As opposed to about a 20% when you're talking about private insurance.

Again, you're wrong. And your forced ignorance is showing.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Juicin]
    #19208938 - 11/30/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm a single white male. What does obamacare mean for me? I want explanations right now.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Juicin]
    #19208942 - 11/30/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It's good enough for senators and congressman

It's good enough for you




I don't want to pay for it and I don't want to pay for theirs.
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The part of Medicare that makes it special is that they have miniscule administration costs. As opposed to about a 20% when you're talking about private insurance.




http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/06/30/the-myth-of-medicares-low-administrative-costs/

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A more accurate measure of overhead would therefore be the administrative costs per patient, rather than per dollar of medical expenses. And by that measure, even with all the administrative advantages Medicare has over private coverage, the program’s administrative costs are actually significantly higher than those of private insurers. In 2005, for example, Robert Book has shown that private insurers spent $453 per beneficiary on administrative costs, compared to $509 for Medicare. (Indeed, Robert has written the definitive paper on this subject, from which the above figure is taken.)

Remember these points the next time someone tries to tell you that Medicare is “more efficient” than private insurance.

UPDATE 1: Tim Worstall points out in the comments that we should also count the deadweight costs of tax collection as part of Medicare’s administrative costs (say, 20% of the amount collected).

UPDATE 2: Benjamin Zycher has also written extensively about Medicare’s administrative costs, as exemplified by this paper for the Manhattan Institute


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In what dream land did you think a federal bureaucracy would be more efficient than a private one?
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Again, you're wrong. And your forced ignorance is showing.




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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Mescalean]
    #19208943 - 11/30/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm a single white male. What does obamacare mean for me? I want explanations right now.



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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19208959 - 11/30/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Which is why I didn't put a number on it.

No matter how you twist the numbers Medicare administration is less expensive. And the Forbes article is just picking numbers out of the air. They are using numbers haphazardly to assign medicare a cost that it doesn't have.

Is it more than the old liberal line on it? Of course. Is it mroe than private insurance? Of course not

And no one really knows how much it costs. But trying to assign costs to it that aren't there doesn't make your point. You can't just pick a % that goes to the administration out of thin air. Which is why I didn't give you a number for the administration costs to medicare.

Article is disingenuous at best.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Juicin]
    #19208983 - 11/30/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Which is why I didn't put a number on it.

No matter how you twist the numbers Medicare administration is less expensive. And the Forbes article is just picking numbers out of the air. They are using numbers haphazardly to assign medicare a cost that it doesn't have.

Is it more than the old liberal line on it? Of course. Is it mroe than private insurance? Of course not




Fact not in evidence
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And no one really knows how much it costs. But trying to assign costs to it that aren't there doesn't make your point. You can't just pick a % that goes to the administration out of thin air. Which is why I didn't give you a number for the administration costs to medicare.

Article is disingenuous at best.




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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19208985 - 11/30/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ok then I would come back and say. Ok let's get rid of medicare. See how much those costs go down. That's the percentage we'll give it.

Sure as shit ain't gonna go down 20%.

An article full of supposition isn't fact. lol


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Juicin]
    #19208998 - 11/30/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Ok then I would come back and say. Ok let's get rid of medicare. See how much those costs go down. That's the percentage we'll give it.




MedicAid is the program for the poor.  MediCare is the program that people have paid into for their whole lives that they get to use and usually add extra coverage when they get old
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Sure as shit ain't gonna go down 20%.




Fact not in evidence
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An article full of supposition isn't fact. lol




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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19209001 - 11/30/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Mescalean said:
I'm a single white male. What does obamacare mean for me? I want explanations right now.



You gonna get raped.




So let me get this straight, I pay for obamacare, get financially raped. I don't sign up I get financially raped?! Who do I have to thank for such a deal?


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    #19209019 - 11/30/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Mescalean said:
I'm a single white male. What does obamacare mean for me? I want explanations right now.



You gonna get raped.




So let me get this straight, I pay for obamacare, get financially raped. I don't sign up I get financially raped?! Who do I have to thank for such a deal?



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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19209025 - 11/30/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks juicin, thanks crystal, thanks obama, thanks Hilary you fucking whale and thanks any other libtards I forgot to mention.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Mescalean]
    #19209085 - 11/30/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This thread sucks wet donkey balls.  Everytime I hear about 'President Hillary' i want to vomit.

Obamacare is Obamas fault.  Period.  Face it everyone--it's a great big shit sandwich and we are all going to have to take a bite.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
    #19209250 - 11/30/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I like obama, but every time he holds up the 150 new commandments he just made.:foreheadslap:


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    #19209260 - 11/30/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I can't wait for the next election. GOP needs to have a big election year, it's going to be quite the show. Any Libertarian politicians on the rise?


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Patlal]
    #19209281 - 11/30/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quit whining OP, everybody has to pay twice as much now.





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    #19209290 - 11/30/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'd say I'm in the lower middle or upper lower class (~$40k/year + benefits) and my health care costs are going up.  The premium price increase is thankfully being eaten by the company I work for, but my deductibles and max out of pocket are going up.  I'm 26 years old, in good health.

Really glad I worked hard and secured myself some decent insurance just in time for Obama to stick his dick in it.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: circularvortex]
    #19209308 - 11/30/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

haven't seen an increase in my premiums from work's insurance. we got a letter though talking about like changes in options to abide by the new law but...yeah. could see a premium hike at some point but nothin at this point.

the new law kicks in with penalties by january or something if i recall so there's still time for that to change i  guess. with 3500 pages of legal garbage there's a lot of bullshit that can take place.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: JesusIsLord]
    #19209332 - 11/30/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

mine went up, nearly double and after the first of the year it's adding
another $75/week which brings us to almost triple what I was paying a few
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    #19209335 - 11/30/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Youre all selfish complaining about paying more. It'll help ten percent of the population :tard:


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    #19209347 - 11/30/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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mine went up, nearly double and after the first of the year it's adding
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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: k00laid]
    #19209368 - 11/30/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

pretty much by not making health insurance cheaper he fucked us all


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mine went up, nearly double and after the first of the year it's adding
another $75/week which brings us to almost triple what I was paying a few
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Jesus. Obama didn't even roofie you. No lube prison rape. Not even a courtesy lick.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Mescalean]
    #19209417 - 11/30/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Youre all selfish complaining about paying more. It'll help ten percent of the population :tard:





which 10% of the population will it help, the wealthy ones that run the
insurance and pharmaceutical companies, the stockholders and politicians?

it damned sure isnt helping the uninsured and under insured and given that
tens of millions are losing their coverage it certainly isnt helping them
either, under this retarded piece of legislation more than 100 million will
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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19209424 - 11/30/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Youre all selfish complaining about paying more. It'll help ten percent of the population :tard:





which 10% of the population will it help, the wealthy ones that run the
insurance and pharmaceutical companies, the stockholders and politicians?

it damned sure isnt helping the uninsured and under insured and given that
tens of millions are losing their coverage it certainly isnt helping them
either, under this retarded piece of legislation more than 100 million will
now be without health insurance as opposed to the 45 million that were
without insurance prior to obamacare




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    #19209442 - 11/30/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Lol yes pris the politicians.

I still think its funny there are those you still have their feet planted shaking their heads in denial like children. Is it denial? Stupidity? Hypnotism?


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Youre all selfish complaining about paying more. It'll help ten percent of the population :tard:





which 10% of the population will it help, the wealthy ones that run the
insurance and pharmaceutical companies, the stockholders and politicians?

it damned sure isnt helping the uninsured and under insured and given that
tens of millions are losing their coverage it certainly isnt helping them
either, under this retarded piece of legislation more than 100 million will
now be without health insurance as opposed to the 45 million that were
without insurance prior to obamacare




Got a source for that information? Those are some fucked up numbers to be honest.





really? you think those numbers are fucked up... those numbers are accurate

2010
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/31/obama-officials-in-2010-93-million-americans-will-be-unable-to-keep-their-health-plans-under-obamacare/

the progressives in washington knew

mind showing people where obamacare is supposed to provide me insurance now
that I am forced to choose between carrying coverage or feeding my kids


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19209473 - 11/30/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Progressives don't want the PPACA, Pris.  You know that, stop being disingenuous


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19209482 - 11/30/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
mine went up, nearly double and after the first of the year it's adding
another $75/week which brings us to almost triple what I was paying a few
years ago. it's simply unsustainable for me to continue to pay for insurance
coverage



shitty man. yeah i heard it's a shit deal all in all.

never heard a good thing about it.

this is just the tip of the iceberg though, i'm sure that obamacare is going to just make things beyond fucked in a hurry here


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19209491 - 11/30/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
Progressives don't want the PPACA, Pris.  You know that, stop being disingenuous





really? it's the progressives that touted it as the single greatest thing to
happen to mankind, they forced a government shutdown in order to prevent the
delay of obamacare going into effect, I guess now that the whole fucking
world realizes it's a mangey dog with fleas they want to distance themselves
from it as quickly as possible

AND IT'S FUCKING OBAMACARE
not the PPACA, obama wanted this fleabag to have his name, leave it as his legacy


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19209508 - 11/30/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No, the progressives haven't touted it as "the single greatest thing to happen to mankind."

Do you have a source for such claims, or are you talking out of your ass?


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19209514 - 11/30/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Obama gives everyone health care

Hospitals jack their prices

Who is to blame here? Hospitals obviously. It's large corporations that are doing the screwing here.


edit: Also, I'm pretty sure Obamacare term was coined by people against the ACA. Obama didn't exactly ask for it to be called that.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19209540 - 11/30/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
No, the progressives haven't touted it as "the single greatest thing to happen to mankind."

Do you have a source for such claims, or are you talking out of your ass?



You are correct.  The regressives want complete bumcare.  But they couldn't quite cram that down the craw .  So we get this piece of shit stupidity that even in NY I cannot get on.  The NY site that supposedly works. 

Look, I know you want government care for all bums regardless of stupid life style choices or uselessness to be cared for.  I get it.  I think it is a bad idea but I understand you like it.  I'm not going to get into your motivation nor will I go further into my opinions about the hoops the loser parasites should jump through n order to get their daily dole.  Why the fuck should I be forced to cover maternity care and why should people who might want that have to provide my geezer care.  The federal government is a one size fits all that fits no one.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19209556 - 11/30/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Your state run exchange seems to be working fine, Zappa.  How about you use that instead of the Federal exchange that is for people who don't have state exchanges?


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19209567 - 11/30/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Your state run exchange seems to be working fine, Zappa.  How about you use that instead of the Federal exchange that is for people who don't have state exchanges?



I just did use it and it isn't working fine.  Why don't you give it a try?


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19209570 - 11/30/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Because I don't live in New York and have health insurance.  Why don't you post some screenshots of your failures to give yourself a little more credibility?


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19209587 - 11/30/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19209564#19209564

I don't know how to post screenshots.  I don't know how to post photos.  Why don't YOU try to log on to a site and show us your wonderful success.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19209620 - 11/30/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Because I'm not from New York and I have great health insurance.  I'm not going to waste bandwidth to prove a point.

You're the one who is making the original claim, the burden of proof lies on you, not me.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19209637 - 11/30/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
Because I'm not from New York and I have great health insurance.  I'm not going to waste bandwidth to prove a point.


  Thank your mom
Quote:



You're the one who is making the original claim, the burden of proof lies on you, not me.




Anybody can try to sign up.  I am not posting the private information they ask for on the Shroomery in order to satisfy you.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19209667 - 11/30/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I do thank my mom.  And the PPACA for allowing me to stay on here plan until I'm 26. 

Now, are you going to provide some evidence that your state run site isn't working, or are we just supposed to believe your politically biased claims?


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19209706 - 11/30/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
I do thank my mom.  And the PPACA for allowing me to stay on here plan until I'm 26.




That's what I thought
Quote:

 

Now, are you going to provide some evidence that your state run site isn't working, or are we just supposed to believe your politically biased claims?



Try to sign up


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19209731 - 11/30/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't need to sign up.

You still haven't proven that your exchange is down.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19209786 - 11/30/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you haven't proven it's not.
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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: joe666]
    #19209791 - 11/30/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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you haven't proven it's not.
:beatadeadhorse:




The burden of proof is not on me.  I don't need to prove anything.  I'm not making any claim.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19209816 - 11/30/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't say it was down.  It's still there.  I go through several steps and it gives me a captcha that I cannot read.  Ten fucking times I tried.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19210000 - 11/30/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think Liberty Prime has some thoughts on communism to share. Seems relevant.



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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: JesusIsLord]
    #19210011 - 11/30/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Here comes the self-proclaimed "Jesus freak" who knows nothing about Jesus :lol:


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    #19210029 - 11/30/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Here comes the self-proclaimed "Jesus freak" who knows nothing about Jesus :lol:



what'd I do? :waitwhat:


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19210071 - 11/30/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Woah. High as fuck. Robot voice creeped me the fuck out car do that right now


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: Mescalean]
    #19210126 - 11/30/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Woah. High as fuck. Robot voice creeped me the fuck out car do that right now



Liberty Prime is an abrasive mofucka indeed :lolsy:


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19212446 - 12/01/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

millzy said:
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zappaisgod said:

You have it through your company but it will disappear next year because it doesn't comply with the Obamacare requirements and it only still exists because the dictator for life extended the deadline for companies.  Enjoy your looming buttfuck.




my benefits start in 2014 and they conform with ACA.




Are you sure?  Because it is expected that around 90 million people with employer health care are going to get notices that their plan is gone.  Poof.  Are you glad your heath plan will include lactation services?




as far as i know everything is up to snuff. i work for a huge company and i recall there being talk about them even extending coverage to part time employees as an alternative to ACA. i would presume the plans they've set up for next year are up to standard. if i choose to make a baby with someone i'll be glad that baby related services are included in my plan. otherwise i don't really think about it. i'm just glad i don't have to pay full price for my scripts and i can go to the doctor when i'm sick, get my teeth cleaned etc. :shrug:


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: millzy]
    #19213099 - 12/01/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

well fuck. got my check statement today along with a letter.


you guessed it, my medical premiums DOUBLED.


FUCK YOU YOU PIECE OF SHIT PRESIDENT


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: JesusIsLord]
    #19213111 - 12/01/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

ya, it really looks like most people are going to get fucked over by this thing, the shills in this thread aside.


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: V1rusH0st]
    #19213598 - 12/01/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Obama gives everyone health care





false, obama gave everyone fines and taxes, he didnt give anyone healthcare

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Hospitals jack their prices




nope. hospitals didnt increase their rates, it was the insurance companies and they had to in order to meet the obamacare mandates

Quote:

Who is to blame here? Hospitals obviously. It's large corporations that are doing the screwing here.




you clearly dont know what you're talking about, maybe it's you that is to blame


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edit: Also, I'm pretty sure Obamacare term was coined by people against the ACA. Obama didn't exactly ask for it to be called that.




obama endorsed it as being called obamacare... up until he's had to
distance himself from it because it's a lame dog


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Re: Obama care is doubling my health costs [Re: 404]
    #19213835 - 12/01/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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the shills in this thread aside.




i'm by no means a shill. i didn't even vote for obama last term. i'm open to all sides of this issue because, like i said, i have insurance for the first time in three years and don't have much of a frame of reference to compare it to because i made like three times what i make now. i couldn't even tell you what my plan used to be. i don't have much of an opinion on this issue, and while i think people who have had their premiums double on them are justifiably angry, i think the jury's still out on if this will overall be a good or bad thing for the people.


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