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Re: Japanese people not having sex [Re: SurReality]
    #19204468 - 11/29/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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the planet is not over populated.




for the way we live it is.


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Re: Japanese people not having sex [Re: unam sanctum]
    #19204472 - 11/29/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

who is we, speak for yourself :smug: i grow all my own food in my filing cabinet :mushroomgrow:


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Re: Japanese people not having sex [Re: SurReality]
    #19204500 - 11/29/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

japan has a strong 'digital culture' i would say, and a lot of times this creates lifestyles that throw away the pursuit of a relationship in exchange for other pursuits.

this is also happening in america more and more as time goes on we are very much merging with Japan's internet culture (which practically predated the internet as far as i can tell).

for instance I feel like a lot of people are not nearly as embarrassed about being virgins at an older age b/c they see there are so many other ways to be awesome. there are people in there twenties who are virgins and don't feel the least bit ashamed about that, in fact it's almost a source of pride.

also consider how ridiculously clingy many americans become, not just to a single person but to the entire concept of relationship in general. some people, thy just always gotta be with someone...


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Re: Japanese people not having sex [Re: g00ru] * 1
    #19204547 - 11/29/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nah, I think it's quite a stretch to compare America and Japan in terms of dating/relationship/sex. They're really worlds apart culturally.


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Re: Japanese people not having sex [Re: koraks]
    #19204570 - 11/29/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

okay dig what i said. i was really explaining a culture in Japan that is becoming more prominent in america. In america it's more of a subculture. We could call it 'e-culture' if you like :wink:;)

but that's what i mean about the clingy americans, living life like it's a romantic comedy all the time. you know im sure they have that everywhere. but based on the study i can see how it's like that in japan.

it's like they don't have the time to worry about relationships because they're so focused on efficiency. relationships lower efficiency in many ways actually...


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Re: Japanese people not having sex [Re: g00ru]
    #19204583 - 11/29/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Uhm, well. I really think that reducing culture to just the widespread use of technology is a bit too easy. Same with the relationships lower efficiency argument.


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Re: Japanese people not having sex [Re: koraks]
    #19204595 - 11/29/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it really depends on the relationship. but yea for the most part i agree.


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Re: Japanese people not having sex [Re: SurReality]
    #19204596 - 11/29/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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isn't orielly married? still probably hasn't had sex for a year lol





Engaged. Big difference.


Me and my wife have been struggling with the whole sex thing. I think we are on the verge of figuring it out. though. :ancientaliens:



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Re: Japanese people not having sex [Re: koraks]
    #19204617 - 11/29/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

a bit too easy? do you realize how much japanese culture i've consumed over my lifetime? I'm not saying widespread use of tech, I'm referring to the way that the Japanese spirit and ethos seems to interact with technology in a way different then Westerners. For much of the 20th century, Japan has been subsumed in technology in a way very different from America. The psychological effect this has had on their nation is plain to see. Probably has something to do with them getting nuked.

And yeah think about it. If you spend your time thinking about a relationship, that's where your time goes. It's logical that if you don't think about that, you don't give a fuck about sex like that article says, you will be that much more devoted to whatever else you do. The potential is there, at least.


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Re: Japanese people not having sex [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19204624 - 11/29/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The answer is men don't give a fuck about relationships and marriage and the nagging and bitching anymore and are MGTOW. Marriage is a horrible endeavor for men and cohabitation carries similar risks so men are, understandably, opting for self preservation. I believe this variety is called Herbivore men there in Japan.


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Re: Japanese people not having sex [Re: koraks]
    #19204636 - 11/29/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

from the article:

'and the usual technological suspects: online porn, virtual-reality "girlfriends", anime cartoons'

'Some of Aoyama's clients are among the small minority who have taken social withdrawal to a pathological extreme. They are recovering hikikomori ("shut-ins" or recluses) taking the first steps to rejoining the outside world, otaku (geeks), and long-term parasaito shingurus (parasite singles) who have reached their mid-30s without managing to move out of home. '

'Aoyama cites one man in his early 30s, a virgin, who can't get sexually aroused unless he watches female robots on a game similar to Power Rangers.'

this is exactly the tech culture i'm talking about although i think the article misrepresents it as completely undesirable when in reality there are completely valid reasons why you might want to live this life. I mean she's just seeing the ones that took to sex counseling, many probably don't even need that.

And yeah this lifestyle has been big in Japan for a while. It's called NEET (not employed, in education, or in training).


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Re: Japanese people not having sex [Re: g00ru]
    #19204655 - 11/29/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Japanese people not having sex [Re: g00ru]
    #19204682 - 11/29/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sure, technology has to do with it. But it's far from the only thing at play, and it's not even necessarily the essence. Why do you reckon so many Japanese youngsters are trapped in this NEET gap between being a kid and being a fully functional adult?


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Re: Japanese people not having sex [Re: koraks]
    #19204707 - 11/29/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's just what's going on right now, as far as I can tell. People look at marriage and relationships and don't see it as an ultimate solution to what they need from life. That article Raflikii linked expounds quite well, from a population view Japan is literally dying. I think it's that dang old internet! And remember the internet is not just the web.

It totally has the potential to lead towards a decrepit lifestyle. But also it can be brought into balance. Thats what i was originally on about with people being alright with being virgins, they are like 'okay if this is how it is then forget about the pressures of actually getting laid'


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Re: Japanese people not having sex [Re: g00ru]
    #19204761 - 11/29/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

They are having sex.. but with sex dolls and not really each other:shrug:


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Re: Japanese people not having sex [Re: danlennon3]
    #19205960 - 11/29/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I wonder what Japan was like in the good old days when the birds were chirping and the people were fucking.


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Re: Japanese people not having sex [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19205997 - 11/29/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Japanese people not having sex [Re: SurReality]
    #19206007 - 11/29/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

a survey done in this city said something like not even a quarter (if i remember correctly, could have been 26%) of Chinese university students were fucking, and Chinese are the majority in this city !


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Re: Japanese people not having sex [Re: SurReality]
    #19206026 - 11/29/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

my grandpa was stationed in Tokyo for a year or so following the Instrument of Surrender which he witnessed.  I wish he was still around to ask details but from what I remember of his recollections it was an awesome assignment, played golf with a Japanese pro most of the time.  I thought tensions would have been really high but he said for the most part the people were actually friendly and helpful towards the GI's  :wtf:


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Re: Japanese people not having sex [Re: Hobozen]
    #19206039 - 11/29/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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a survey done in this city said something like not even a quarter (if i remember correctly, could have been 26%) of Chinese university students were fucking, and Chinese are the majority in this city !



In Asian societies virginity is a good whose value only appreciates.

There's an old American saying, "Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free." And that's the truth especially with most people in the world who actually treat marriage seriously unlike Americans/Westerners.


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