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Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point?
#19204286 - 11/29/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The other day I went to do a g2g transfer in my sab only to realize it's not tall enough to really do it well despite it being practically the largest/tallest box in wally world : /. There were a couple that were taller, but they were even less ideal because they were so narrow. Basically I have enough room to pour the g2g transfer, but I have to tilt the recieving jar about 30 degrees or else there's just not enough clearance, and then the master jar always hits the lid. Last time I did this the lid ended up getting knocked off so I just finished the work without it figuring that was my best course of action. Obviously the best solution is to get a bigger tote, but until I can find one that's not an option.
So my question is how effective would it be to work without the lid on? I've heard some people do it, but never really heard how effective it is. I'm sure it works for those people or they wouldn't do it, but for all I know, and they know, it may not be giving them any benefit over just working in the open air. My other option is to turn the box upside down, I would think that might be a little better since if I accidentally hit the top (previously the bottom) it might lift the box up a bit, create some turbulance, but it would mostly push outwards as well as be at the bottom so I would imagine there's less of a chance it would cause things to fall into the jars. Fwiw so far the jars I g2g'd do look contaminant free, but it's only been about 3 days so I'll have to wait to see for sure.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: krypto2000]
#19204293 - 11/29/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Turn it on it's side and put your holes in the top. That's what I do and never had a problem in 3 years.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: krypto2000]
#19204302 - 11/29/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You might as well just work in open air if that was the case....it would be the same thing.
Try flipping it and putting it on a wet towel like I do......

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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: PussyFart]
#19204323 - 11/29/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No advantage there. That's the same as what he has now. I can do Qt jars G2G with ample space above in my SAB.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: PussyFart]
#19204360 - 11/29/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: You might as well just work in open air if that was the case....it would be the same thing.
Try flipping it and putting it on a wet towel like I do......
 
That's basically what I was thinking of doing by flipping it upside down. Yours looks about as tall as mine does, do you have to tilt your recieving jars or are the pics just a bit decieving? I was watching a video someone posted awhile back and in their SAB they were able to stack 2 quart jars on top of one another with a slight bit of clearance above that. That seems much more ideal to me. Might have to build one from plexiglass as it seems you did (or did you?), that or a flowhood.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: bootster]
#19204361 - 11/29/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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come on krypto,  how still would the air be? still air box :P
good thinking turning it on the side though, should give more headspace
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: spacechildo]
#19204385 - 11/29/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I didn't think it would be still, but people have recommended it so I thought I'd ask before just taking their word on it. It does seem as though it'd be relatively still because it prevents side currents, my only worry is hair or skin particles dropping into it from above (I didn't lean over it, but still, these things can easily make their way in there). Plus even if it's no more still than the open air it would at least have wet walls to help contain airborne contaminants.
I don't think turning my particular box on its side would work as, well, for one thing there's already holes cut in the side, but the other is that due to the shape I think it'd be a bit slanted which is not so good to work with. I might try flipping it upside down.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: spacechildo]
#19204390 - 11/29/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Like this?
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: bootster]
#19204393 - 11/29/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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bootster said: Like this?

i need to update my sab
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: bootster]
#19204407 - 11/29/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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bootster said: Like this?

That looks like my exact tote. Wish I put the holes elsewhere now that I see yours
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: tripdawg420]
#19204417 - 11/29/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I posted that build about 2 years ago. I guess no one was paying any attention.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: krypto2000]
#19204421 - 11/29/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't know why having to tilt the RX jar is such a big deal?
Sure it's easier when you get a tote that's got some headroom. But even then, it's nice to tilt the jar.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/17218726
And there's a link in there on how he built his.
P.S. You can easily tape up your current holes and recut them in the lid. Provided you didn't cut up the lid. Ala' Bootster
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: FunnyLight]
#19204427 - 11/29/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I deleted the original post.
SAB TEK
TranscendingLife's TEK was done well after mine. His still doesn't give you the overhead you need to do G2G, plus he spent a fortune on unnecessary expensive hardware.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: bootster]
#19204530 - 11/29/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tilting it isn't such a big deal in itself, but I end up hitting the lid sometimes which I fear blows a significant amount of air in under the lid gap, and also once you're down to the last jar or two, meaning you have to tilt your master more to get it out, you also have to tilt the recieving jars to give the master enough clearance to dump the grains which is where it becomes a pain and where I ended up knocking the lid of yesterday. For awhile I was simply not using my sab for that reason, I'd just get frustrated due to the tight quarters. For that reason I also wasn't really able to do g2g transfers without doing it in the open air in which case I'd often end up with bacterial contamination. I'd like to get into agar as well as doing g2g transfers a lot more, so the easier it is the better.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: krypto2000]
#19204541 - 11/29/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Tilting it isn't such a big deal in itself, but I end up hitting the lid sometimes which I fear blows a significant amount of air in under the lid gap, and also once you're down to the last jar or two, meaning you have to tilt your master more to get it out, you also have to tilt the recieving jars to give the master enough clearance to dump the grains which is where it becomes a pain and where I ended up knocking the lid of yesterday. For awhile I was simply not using my sab for that reason, I'd just get frustrated due to the tight quarters. For that reason I also wasn't really able to do g2g transfers without doing it in the open air in which case I'd often end up with bacterial contamination. I'd like to get into agar as well as doing g2g transfers a lot more, so the easier it is the better.
spend less than 20$ on a new SAB and make one that works for you. Best not to skimp on the most important part keeping your sterile things sterile.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: bodhisatta]
#19204755 - 11/29/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have had the same issue and my solution is to just have a pint for my master jar. One pint master will easily do 6 quarts. Then later if I want do make another master g2g just do up a bunch of pints. G2G those with your last quart and spawn whatever is left over. Now ya have a bunch of pints to inoculate a whole bunch of quarts, no tilting required. Sure you might not stretch your G2G as far but it's moot IMO when you can do your G2G with no hassle.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: bodhisatta]
#19204821 - 11/29/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Tilting it isn't such a big deal in itself, but I end up hitting the lid sometimes which I fear blows a significant amount of air in under the lid gap, and also once you're down to the last jar or two, meaning you have to tilt your master more to get it out, you also have to tilt the recieving jars to give the master enough clearance to dump the grains which is where it becomes a pain and where I ended up knocking the lid of yesterday. For awhile I was simply not using my sab for that reason, I'd just get frustrated due to the tight quarters. For that reason I also wasn't really able to do g2g transfers without doing it in the open air in which case I'd often end up with bacterial contamination. I'd like to get into agar as well as doing g2g transfers a lot more, so the easier it is the better.
spend less than 20$ on a new SAB and make one that works for you. Best not to skimp on the most important part keeping your sterile things sterile.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: bootster]
#19204856 - 11/29/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a hint for anyone who wants to do a "Bootster Box". Don't cut the armholes directly in the middle of the top, make them a little bit off center. I find that doing agar would be a little bit easier if the armholes were lower. If you want to do G2G, just flip it around.
I hate it when I think too much.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: bootster]
#19206050 - 11/29/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I ended up making a new friend today who had a pallet of acrylic and a laser cutter. Will post pics of my new SAB after gluing it together
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: krypto2000]
#19206068 - 11/29/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you're having trouble with the master jar hitting the lid of the still air box as you pour, you can always leave the lid off as you suggested, but replace it with plastic sheeting which will push out of the way as necessary.
Remember, we're only trying to eliminate drafts from the room, not create a sterile work area like we get with a flowhood. RR
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: PussyFart]
#19206106 - 11/29/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: You might as well just work in open air if that was the case....it would be the same thing.
Try flipping it and putting it on a wet towel like I do......
 

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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19206168 - 11/29/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like the amount of jars NAH can fit in his, that means he doesn't need to fuck around with only a couple jars at a time. If height is an issue and you can't poor from one jar to the other, just use a spoon. As long as the spoon never touches anything other than some disinfectant and spawn you should be good.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
#19206179 - 11/29/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Spoon?
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
#19206188 - 11/29/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Using a spoon is risky, especially if you put disinfectant on it.
If height is an issue, get a taller SAB like I did
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19206209 - 11/29/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: Using a spoon is risky, especially if you put disinfectant on it.
If height is an issue, get a taller SAB like I did
I seen people use a spoon without a problem, I guess you should know better than most though.
I seen RR totally soak jars and his gloves in disinfectant.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
#19206328 - 11/29/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I use to have nearly 100% success with using a spoon in the open air to do g2g transfers, but not since I've moved. Actually I haven't even tried it, but less risky things have proven unsuccessful so I didn't bother.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: krypto2000]
#19206626 - 11/29/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Would it be sufficient to completely scrub down the bathroom clean and work in open air next to the sink? Move very slowly without breathing? lol
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: mthawkins]
#19206630 - 11/29/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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mthawkins said: Would it be sufficient to completely scrub down the bathroom clean and work in open air next to the sink?
Injections maybe.....anything else like g2g transfers or agar transfers, no.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: mthawkins]
#19207634 - 11/30/13 07:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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mthawkins said: Would it be sufficient to completely scrub down the bathroom clean and work in open air next to the sink? Move very slowly without breathing? lol
I've never thought of the bathroom as a clean place, I mean you shit in there. In general depending how clean your ambient air is you might be able to get away with it by whiping very thoroughly with iso and spraying lysol everywhere, but you're taking a chance. It might work, it might not, you can't fully control what's in the air like with a SAB or flowhood so it's unreliable at best.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
#19207772 - 11/30/13 08:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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MUSH HEAD420 said: I like the amount of jars NAH can fit in his, that means he doesn't need to fuck around with only a couple jars at a time. If height is an issue and you can't poor from one jar to the other, just use a spoon. As long as the spoon never touches anything other than some disinfectant and spawn you should be good.
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SpitballJedi said: Using a spoon is risky, especially if you put disinfectant on it.
If height is an issue, get a taller SAB like I did
I seen people use a spoon without a problem, I guess you should know better than most though.
I seen RR totally soak jars and his gloves in disinfectant.
You can PC your spoon and use it, but even then it's risky to use it for so many transfers. any disinfectant is only sanitary not sterile so don't bother using sanitizers on anything that will touch your grains. We use disinfectants/sanitizers on our gloves and the outside of the jars because that's the best we can do since we obviously cant sterilize our hands or jar lids, then again our hands and lids never touch the grains.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
#19208026 - 11/30/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: Using a spoon is risky, especially if you put disinfectant on it.
If height is an issue, get a taller SAB like I did
I seen people use a spoon without a problem, I guess you should know better than most though.
I seen RR totally soak jars and his gloves in disinfectant.
Do you have a link to RR doing this? I've seen him use alcohol on the outside of jars and his gloves, but he doesn't stick his hands in the sterilized jars.
I know better than some, but not as much as others. The spoon can be used successfully, but it's risky. There are better methods to increase chances of success.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19208032 - 11/30/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree completely.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
#19208218 - 11/30/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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In mycology. . . There is no spoon
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19208390 - 11/30/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Actually it is really simple to sterilize a spoon. Just dip it in alcohol and then flame to burn off the alcohol. Sterilized spoon. I do it all the time when doing bacterial culture plating with a loop. From what I have seen the major issue is a lot of guys using alcohol soaked EVERYTHING in a SAB which can lead to flammable alcohol vapor. I have been meaning to ask some of the oldboys about possible mods or changes so you could have an alcohol bath along with a flame in the box so you can resterilize tools inside the box. Also you can flame the things you touch for a bit of added sterility (this is how we do it in the lab when doing cell culture).
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: BigGreenMat]
#19208864 - 11/30/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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BigGreenMat said: I have been meaning to ask some of the oldboys about possible mods or changes so you could have an alcohol bath along with a flame in the box so you can resterilize tools inside the box.
Sounds like
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: BigGreenMat]
#19208963 - 11/30/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I do not believe you will reach an adequate sterilizing temperature by dipping the said tool in alcohol and igniting it.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: BigGreenMat]
#19209265 - 11/30/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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BigGreenMat said: I have been meaning to ask some of the oldboys about possible mods or changes so you could have an alcohol bath along with a flame in the box so you can resterilize tools inside the box.
The heat currents would mess up the "still air" environment and create drafts.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: PussyFart]
#19209431 - 11/30/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, I am aware of the effects flames can have in a flow hood situation (although they also have benefits). Whatever, changes in airflow or turbulence they cause still might be worth the merit of use for sterilization of tools, especially an activated flame.
This is actually a very good primer on sterile technique. http://georgelab.eng.uci.edu/resources/Aseptic%20Technique.pdf
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: BigGreenMat]
#19209476 - 11/30/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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An SAB only works because of STILL AIR.
Flame sterilizing your tools inside a SAB will be rendered pointless if the current, caused by the flame, allows contaminants to float in to your sterile jar or dish.
Oh the irony. The thing you do to try to prevent something, actually causing the thing to happen.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: BigGreenMat]
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BigGreenMat said: Yeah, I am aware of the effects flames can have in a flow hood situation
No one is talking about a flow hood......
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