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krypto2000
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Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point?
#19204286 - 11/29/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The other day I went to do a g2g transfer in my sab only to realize it's not tall enough to really do it well despite it being practically the largest/tallest box in wally world : /. There were a couple that were taller, but they were even less ideal because they were so narrow. Basically I have enough room to pour the g2g transfer, but I have to tilt the recieving jar about 30 degrees or else there's just not enough clearance, and then the master jar always hits the lid. Last time I did this the lid ended up getting knocked off so I just finished the work without it figuring that was my best course of action. Obviously the best solution is to get a bigger tote, but until I can find one that's not an option.
So my question is how effective would it be to work without the lid on? I've heard some people do it, but never really heard how effective it is. I'm sure it works for those people or they wouldn't do it, but for all I know, and they know, it may not be giving them any benefit over just working in the open air. My other option is to turn the box upside down, I would think that might be a little better since if I accidentally hit the top (previously the bottom) it might lift the box up a bit, create some turbulance, but it would mostly push outwards as well as be at the bottom so I would imagine there's less of a chance it would cause things to fall into the jars. Fwiw so far the jars I g2g'd do look contaminant free, but it's only been about 3 days so I'll have to wait to see for sure.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: krypto2000]
#19204293 - 11/29/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Turn it on it's side and put your holes in the top. That's what I do and never had a problem in 3 years.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: krypto2000]
#19204302 - 11/29/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You might as well just work in open air if that was the case....it would be the same thing.
Try flipping it and putting it on a wet towel like I do......

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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: PussyFart]
#19204323 - 11/29/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No advantage there. That's the same as what he has now. I can do Qt jars G2G with ample space above in my SAB.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: PussyFart]
#19204360 - 11/29/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: You might as well just work in open air if that was the case....it would be the same thing.
Try flipping it and putting it on a wet towel like I do......
 
That's basically what I was thinking of doing by flipping it upside down. Yours looks about as tall as mine does, do you have to tilt your recieving jars or are the pics just a bit decieving? I was watching a video someone posted awhile back and in their SAB they were able to stack 2 quart jars on top of one another with a slight bit of clearance above that. That seems much more ideal to me. Might have to build one from plexiglass as it seems you did (or did you?), that or a flowhood.
Edited by krypto2000 (11/29/13 10:30 AM)
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: bootster]
#19204361 - 11/29/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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come on krypto,  how still would the air be? still air box :P
good thinking turning it on the side though, should give more headspace
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: spacechildo]
#19204385 - 11/29/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I didn't think it would be still, but people have recommended it so I thought I'd ask before just taking their word on it. It does seem as though it'd be relatively still because it prevents side currents, my only worry is hair or skin particles dropping into it from above (I didn't lean over it, but still, these things can easily make their way in there). Plus even if it's no more still than the open air it would at least have wet walls to help contain airborne contaminants.
I don't think turning my particular box on its side would work as, well, for one thing there's already holes cut in the side, but the other is that due to the shape I think it'd be a bit slanted which is not so good to work with. I might try flipping it upside down.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: spacechildo]
#19204390 - 11/29/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Like this?
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: bootster]
#19204393 - 11/29/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
bootster said: Like this?

i need to update my sab
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: bootster]
#19204407 - 11/29/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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bootster said: Like this?

That looks like my exact tote. Wish I put the holes elsewhere now that I see yours
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: tripdawg420]
#19204417 - 11/29/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I posted that build about 2 years ago. I guess no one was paying any attention.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: krypto2000]
#19204421 - 11/29/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't know why having to tilt the RX jar is such a big deal?
Sure it's easier when you get a tote that's got some headroom. But even then, it's nice to tilt the jar.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/17218726
And there's a link in there on how he built his.
P.S. You can easily tape up your current holes and recut them in the lid. Provided you didn't cut up the lid. Ala' Bootster
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: FunnyLight]
#19204427 - 11/29/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I deleted the original post.
SAB TEK
TranscendingLife's TEK was done well after mine. His still doesn't give you the overhead you need to do G2G, plus he spent a fortune on unnecessary expensive hardware.
Edited by bootster (11/29/13 11:02 AM)
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: bootster]
#19204530 - 11/29/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tilting it isn't such a big deal in itself, but I end up hitting the lid sometimes which I fear blows a significant amount of air in under the lid gap, and also once you're down to the last jar or two, meaning you have to tilt your master more to get it out, you also have to tilt the recieving jars to give the master enough clearance to dump the grains which is where it becomes a pain and where I ended up knocking the lid of yesterday. For awhile I was simply not using my sab for that reason, I'd just get frustrated due to the tight quarters. For that reason I also wasn't really able to do g2g transfers without doing it in the open air in which case I'd often end up with bacterial contamination. I'd like to get into agar as well as doing g2g transfers a lot more, so the easier it is the better.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: krypto2000]
#19204541 - 11/29/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Tilting it isn't such a big deal in itself, but I end up hitting the lid sometimes which I fear blows a significant amount of air in under the lid gap, and also once you're down to the last jar or two, meaning you have to tilt your master more to get it out, you also have to tilt the recieving jars to give the master enough clearance to dump the grains which is where it becomes a pain and where I ended up knocking the lid of yesterday. For awhile I was simply not using my sab for that reason, I'd just get frustrated due to the tight quarters. For that reason I also wasn't really able to do g2g transfers without doing it in the open air in which case I'd often end up with bacterial contamination. I'd like to get into agar as well as doing g2g transfers a lot more, so the easier it is the better.
spend less than 20$ on a new SAB and make one that works for you. Best not to skimp on the most important part keeping your sterile things sterile.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: bodhisatta]
#19204755 - 11/29/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have had the same issue and my solution is to just have a pint for my master jar. One pint master will easily do 6 quarts. Then later if I want do make another master g2g just do up a bunch of pints. G2G those with your last quart and spawn whatever is left over. Now ya have a bunch of pints to inoculate a whole bunch of quarts, no tilting required. Sure you might not stretch your G2G as far but it's moot IMO when you can do your G2G with no hassle.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: bodhisatta]
#19204821 - 11/29/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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krypto2000 said: Tilting it isn't such a big deal in itself, but I end up hitting the lid sometimes which I fear blows a significant amount of air in under the lid gap, and also once you're down to the last jar or two, meaning you have to tilt your master more to get it out, you also have to tilt the recieving jars to give the master enough clearance to dump the grains which is where it becomes a pain and where I ended up knocking the lid of yesterday. For awhile I was simply not using my sab for that reason, I'd just get frustrated due to the tight quarters. For that reason I also wasn't really able to do g2g transfers without doing it in the open air in which case I'd often end up with bacterial contamination. I'd like to get into agar as well as doing g2g transfers a lot more, so the easier it is the better.
spend less than 20$ on a new SAB and make one that works for you. Best not to skimp on the most important part keeping your sterile things sterile.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: bootster]
#19204856 - 11/29/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a hint for anyone who wants to do a "Bootster Box". Don't cut the armholes directly in the middle of the top, make them a little bit off center. I find that doing agar would be a little bit easier if the armholes were lower. If you want to do G2G, just flip it around.
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: bootster]
#19206050 - 11/29/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I ended up making a new friend today who had a pallet of acrylic and a laser cutter. Will post pics of my new SAB after gluing it together
Edited by krypto2000 (11/29/13 07:10 PM)
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Re: Does using a SAB without a lid defeat the point? [Re: krypto2000]
#19206068 - 11/29/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you're having trouble with the master jar hitting the lid of the still air box as you pour, you can always leave the lid off as you suggested, but replace it with plastic sheeting which will push out of the way as necessary.
Remember, we're only trying to eliminate drafts from the room, not create a sterile work area like we get with a flowhood. RR
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