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FrankHorrigan
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SpitballJedi said: WBS Con If simmering, the millet turns to mush real easy.
Rye Pro Uniformity in grain size and texture makes for consistent results
I disagree. I simmer/boil my WBS these days, for about 5 minutes.
To be honest, I've never had an issue with burst millet or anything that hinders "consistent results."
Like I said, I think you guys all worry too much about your grains
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You're probably right frank. You usually are and we all hate you for it
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FrankHorrigan
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Well I'm not always right so don't forget to challenge me 
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Stromrider
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You too bud.... Man I'm full
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Damn my thanksgiving was over a month ago, now I want turkey
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SpitballJedi
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Opinions are welcome. That's why I posted.
I dumped my first 3 attempts because I kept getting too much mush. I may just be too used to rye though. But I PC'd them and they just seemed sticky.
I never brought the water to a boil. I tried slow heating, stirring and not stirring.
No simmer seems to by-pass the whole issue and it's one less step. I hope it continues to work. I'm on my 3rd no-simmer run and it seems like it's working.
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neowulf
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ive been using wheat for ages its pretty cheap here 18bux for 50lb i put it in a pot with water on low for about 2 hours (cuz im lazy and dont wanna watch it simmer around 30-45min if u simmer) strain 30 and pop in PC
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Violet



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SpitballJedi said: That was one of the first cons I noticed. The little tiny ones turn to mush real easy. I didn't list it because I quit cooking WBS. I just soak for about 20-24 hours and drain for a couple of hours. They seem wet when they go in the jar, but seem perfect after sterilizing and shaking. This turned a con in to a pro. Like I said, I just started WBS, so I don't know how consistently the "no cook" method will work.
"Turning a con into a pro", using the moisture on the grains to supply the rest in the cooker, That's exactly how I started doing grass seed leading to my 2nd grain prep method, but found they'd often be under-prepared without a hard flash of wet heat to start the soak off. Might not be a problem with Millet which bursts easily with little cooking; little grass seeds are much much more hardy. However I've seen people mention that no-cook preps, using birdseed or rye, resulted in under-prepared grains that didn't yield as much. Hopefully you'll do better. Here's betting that keeping extended soaks avoids any problems.
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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: Violet]
#19203018 - 11/28/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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From the OP:
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$62.50 for 50#. That's (.80/lb) = (.05/oz)
You did the math wrong, $62~/50lb should be more than a dollar/lb, try it the other way 
And, what Frank said. Y'all worries too much about grains. Go with price. I really, really wish I could get rye in 50lb bags for a couple lbs/buck. Where you guys find this stuff?!?!
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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: Violet]
#19203618 - 11/29/13 05:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stromrider said: Some bags are also full of those little white seeds that get all mashed up after you hydrate them and barely touch them
You must mean Millet.... the best grain in birdseed.
It only happens to you because you're over-preparing them. It's not entirely your fault though, the many different sizes of grains in "birdseed" mixes require different hydrating soak/boil times of course. IMO this is one of birdseed's cons, which Spitball didn't list.
I love the condescending assumption that if he is having a problem he is doing something wrong. But it is not entirely all his fault though.....
I know which seed you mean man, and they are not Millet I will go get the name later, it is cold outside.
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Stromrider
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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: Sockadin]
#19203621 - 11/29/13 05:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Damn right it's freezing! I'm getting ready to go cut some firewood. Guess I'll have to break out the long Johns
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SpitballJedi
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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: Forrester]
#19203686 - 11/29/13 05:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Forrester said: From the OP:
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$62.50 for 50#. That's (.80/lb) = (.05/oz)
You did the math wrong, $62~/50lb should be more than a dollar/lb, try it the other way 
And, what Frank said. Y'all worries too much about grains. Go with price. I really, really wish I could get rye in 50lb bags for a couple lbs/buck. Where you guys find this stuff?!?!
Good eye. I fixed. WBS is even cheaper now that the math is right
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Violet



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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: Sockadin]
#19203746 - 11/29/13 06:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sockadin said:
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Violet said:
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Stromrider said: Some bags are also full of those little white seeds that get all mashed up after you hydrate them and barely touch them
You must mean Millet.... the best grain in birdseed.
It only happens to you because you're over-preparing them. It's not entirely your fault though, the many different sizes of grains in "birdseed" mixes require different hydrating soak/boil times of course. IMO this is one of birdseed's cons, which Spitball didn't list.
I love the condescending assumption that if he is having a problem he is doing something wrong. But it is not entirely all his fault though.....
I'm not being condescending, and you're making the assumption. Is it really not fair to acknowledge that improperly-prepared grains are improperly prepared?
He sure didn't seem to take the so-called condescention to heart like you did on his behalf. Geez.
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Stromrider
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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: Violet]
#19203860 - 11/29/13 07:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's all good. Love and light baby
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Fred Teddy
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FrankHorrigan said:
I think you guys worry too much about this 
I buy my 40# bags 10 at a time. Anything that can come out during the rinsing, does so. Anything that remains has never caused me an issue 
I agree.
And if I may question this ... What exactly is so bad about the sunflower seeds? I read post after post that they should be removed, but nothing as to why? If they pour off, they pour off, what remains has never been a problem for me. Even if I dont pour them off I don't see a problem. I've seen pics of mushies grown on Bibles and even bras ( eyes still burning after that one ) so why not a few sunflower seeds? So, someone please explain the "OMG, gotta get rid of those" thing concerning sunflower seeds, because I just don't see it.
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tripdawg420
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some people take them out some dont i do they really dont make a differance
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Valyr
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I just dont like having black stuff in my jars lol.
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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: Valyr]
#19204236 - 11/29/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Valyr said: I just dont like having black stuff in my jars lol.
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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: PussyFart]
#19204515 - 11/29/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: cronicr]
#19204548 - 11/29/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I prefer rye berry it just seems like its easier to get prepped
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