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forrest
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yeah, the incubator was stuffed with other cultures so i couldn't raise the temp so high. but i'm gonna see if i can let it sporulate after it is fully colonised, to make extra starter from.
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Barnabey
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: forrest]
#19495884 - 01/30/14 10:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I was going to try from freshly bought tempeh again but I just ate it all. So it will wait a little before my ultimate experience >:o
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Barnabey]
#19496008 - 01/30/14 11:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Haha, that's always the danger!
I actually had to skip my tempeh ritual this week due to a busy Sunday last weekend so I'm jonesing for a fix.
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Anyone have a picture of what it should look like when its grey and ready to dry into spores?
Once again my attempt to make more starter failed and I have no idea what I am doing wrong. I have great tempeh being made, I just cant seem to take it to the next step of going grey which to me seems should be simple enough.
This time I put it in glass containers. I left some with a lid on tight, lid on loose and no lid. I had to toss the one with a tight lid, it just got wet and disgusting smelling. The one with a loose lid looked really promising as it got really fuzzy white, but then it just sorta sat there without every going grey and now it starting to smell funny as well. The one with no lid is sorta greyish, but it just dried up. My tempeh was ready for eating sunday afternoon.
My two general thoughts are:
1) could the fact that I am using roasted soy prevent the tempeh from going to spore?
2) I cut my block of tempeh, eating half and sporing half. Could cutting the block put it into shock, sorta like plant transplant shock, and thus it just stops growing even though it has plenty of heat?
I think neither of those is likely, but I am running out of ideas.
Any pictures and/or suggestions would be appreciated, though I am now out of starter. I may try and grind up the dried up block and see if I can get that to work.
Thanks again from a tempeh noob.
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liamtheloser
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Culland]
#19523566 - 02/05/14 01:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah, i would definitely let the whole thing sporulate, THEN cut half off and eat it. Sounds like you're having some troubles. Just do what I do and instead of using a glass container with a lid, use the glass container but make a lid out of aluminum foil and poke holes about one knife stab every 2 square inches. That will be enough gas exchange for sporulating but keep in enough moisture to make it not dry out. Letting it spore out doesn't affect the quality of the end product, it just makes it look different. You can't taste the spores. I re-use the same pieces of foil every week with no issues, so it's not a waste either.
It does not turn black, it just will turn slightly grey. If you have doubts, just touch a spot that is gray and it should get darker. That means it's full of spores.
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Culland
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Does thickness matter? How thick is your block?
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Culland]
#19583430 - 02/18/14 12:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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my first tempeh is incubating, but after 30 hours there are still many places not entirely colonised, so i'm leaving it in there for another 24 hours. the first 12 hours it was more like 28 degrees in the incuubator, and after that about 30, so that might be the cause. it doesn't look too wet, and smells fine i think.
from the cloned tmpeh i put some on agar. and the jars of grains colonise lightly, but i think they have thouble with the hulls on the grains, so i'm gonna try to transfer some to well cooked rice.
liam, is your culture from gemcultures?
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Edited by forrest (02/18/14 12:40 AM)
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liamtheloser
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: forrest]
#19583721 - 02/18/14 02:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, it is direct from Indonesia.
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lipa
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: forrest]
#19584322 - 02/18/14 08:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have noticed that other countries have better tempeh cultures than the US. They always are more aggressive and sporulate later. Especially when from European suppliers.
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: lipa]
#19584419 - 02/18/14 09:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That is nice to hear, being from europe. I'm now using a starter from topcultures, based here in holland, but they said that it sporulates less than usual. Which i find a disadvatage as i want to make starter again from my sporulating home made tempeh.
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: forrest]
#19584572 - 02/18/14 10:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have the one they sell and like it. I put some on plain rice and let it sporulate. Then I dehydrate it and grind it up for starter in the blender. It sporulates just fine. Cardboard fruit boxes with a heating mat inside works well to accomplish this
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forrest
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: lipa]
#19584690 - 02/18/14 11:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice!
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forrest
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: forrest]
#19594529 - 02/20/14 12:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the first tempeh :
it's still not colonised at all spots after 48 hours in the incubator, but doesn't smell funny. i think maybe those spots didn't get enough oxygen.
it tasted quite different than the storebought one, i'm curious how this will taste after even more incubation time, and with garbanzobeans.
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liamtheloser
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: forrest]
#19595958 - 02/20/14 05:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Might be lack of oxygen, but usually spots like that are from too much moisture. Beans should be dry to the touch, must be able to pass the toilet paper test.
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need this for reference
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