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OfflineAlan RockefellerM
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Re: poisoned? [Re: RiverDweller1]
    #19200151 - 11/28/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In the US the doctor would just send you home with a $150 bill, since medical care is free in the UK I guess it's not so bad. 

But really if you had amatoxin poisoning you would feel like you were going to die, it's super painful.

The fact that you tripped means you got the correct mushrooms.  Everyone is paranoid of a mixed Galerina collection, but I have never heard of that happening.


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Re: poisoned? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19200210 - 11/28/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You could also have a mild Salmonella poisoning from the eggs, but i don't think you'd be feeling good so early, anyway it's good that you do.

Medical care in the US is hideous.


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Re: poisoned? [Re: pouihi]
    #19200246 - 11/28/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In all fairness, you can get extremely good deals on healthcare, here in the U.S.A., if you can get elected.


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Re: poisoned? [Re: jet li]
    #19200263 - 11/28/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

but i thought obama brought in the wonderful obamacare??!!! what's the problem :rolleyes:


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Re: poisoned? [Re: jet li]
    #19200766 - 11/28/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:laugh2:

That doesn't appear to be the only wonderful thing he brought in :strokebeard:


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Re: poisoned? [Re: Blue-FunGuy]
    #19200785 - 11/28/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I think with the lack of stomach cramps and diarrhea we can rule out mushroom poisoning.




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Re: poisoned? [Re: Joust]
    #19201161 - 11/28/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, since nobody else has asked, OP, how did you consume the mushrooms? If raw, you might have had a bit of bacterial food poisoning. It's not unheard of.


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Re: poisoned? [Re: Tas75]
    #19201235 - 11/28/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

they were halfway through the drying process and eaten straight.


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Re: poisoned? [Re: Tas75]
    #19201313 - 11/28/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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they were halfway through the drying process and eaten straight.



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If raw, you might have had a bit of bacterial food poisoning. It's not unheard of.




It would have kicked in at least as early as the end of his trip, I'm quite sure.

My own experiences with food poisoning have been roughly 6 hours after ingestion.


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Re: poisoned? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #19201345 - 11/28/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What I have learned from hawayan shamanism is that all sickness come from prolonged muscle-contractions.. Ie.. stress, anger and anxiety of which would mean that you threw up because your body(which is also your subconsciousness) senced something strange and you as the consciouss mind interpreted this as a sort of error in the body, thus reacting with anxiety and with that the body chose to try ridding itself of this error...

with a good focus one may stay calm and peaceful and not get sick.


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Re: poisoned? [Re: Icyus]
    #19201357 - 11/28/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

lol, good one


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Re: poisoned? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #19202495 - 11/28/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It would have kicked in at least as early as the end of his trip, I'm quite sure.

My own experiences with food poisoning have been roughly 6 hours after ingestion.




Hi Anglerfish,

In that case, I'd say you've probably only been exposed to viral food poisoning (e.g. rotaviruses, noroviruses), which take as little as 2 hours to show first symptoms, and often self-corrects after 8-12 hours. Bacterial food poisonings usually have a longer incubation period (but can be as quick as 6 hours) and can last as long as a week, but normally 2-3 days, i.e. Salmonella. Of course it's all hypothetical, but since food safety was my provious field, I'm familiar with types of faecal contaminations and their symptoms...


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Re: poisoned? [Re: Tas75]
    #19202795 - 11/28/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's super interesting, I did not realize that there were two types of food poisoning.  How does viral food poisoning happen? 

I assume bacterial food poisoning is either from rotten food, or from contaminated water used for crops. 

Can both types of food poisoning vectors be fixed by cooking?

One food safety / dumpster diving expert that I know says that if you heat meat to 165 degrees, it becomes safe, even if it came from the dumpster.  Does that apply to both bacteria and viruses?  And is he correct?


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Re: poisoned? [Re: Tas75]
    #19202824 - 11/28/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Bacterial food poisonings usually have a longer incubation period (but can be as quick as 6 hours) and can last as long as a week, but normally 2-3 days, i.e. Salmonella. Of course it's all hypothetical, but since food safety was my provious field, I'm familiar with types of faecal contaminations and their symptoms...




Really?  I've drank old ass water from my car and felt symptoms of food poisoning within an hour, which I can only assume from straight water was bacterial.  (it smelled bad as well, which I didn't notice till after I swallowed) Am I mistaken?
Vinegar took care of it as it does for most food poisoning if you catch it in time...

Alan - as a side note, my brother told me about an experiment where a guy left chicken out for days and days, totally rotten disgusting awfulness.  Ate it and drank apple cider vinegar with it, no problems.  I'm assuming bacterial would be the cause there but who knows, acidity apparently takes care of a lot of problems.


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Re: poisoned? [Re: Forrester]
    #19203315 - 11/29/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

the problem with fucking anecdotal evidence is that often, its just plain fucking wrong.  your stomach is naturally acid, if memory serves around pH 2, so any vinegar added to it does little to acidify your stomach contents any further.  If anything, it might be a weak buffer.  that said, thats exactly why a lot of bacteria that you consume do die, but the ones that get by inside undigested food or like an acid environment don't.

also anyone that lets chicken rot and then eats it to prove a point has a few screws loose and shouldn't be trusted for advice on wiping ones ass.
oh, and you should probably not drink anymore 'old ass water' either.

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Re: poisoned? [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #19203423 - 11/29/13 02:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't be surprised if it's not uncommon for people to get sick from not properly cleaning wild mushrooms. Since you don't cook psilocybes before consuming, there are lots of things in the environment that could give you gastrointestinal problems. One in particular off the top of my head would be Giardiasis.


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Re: poisoned? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19203455 - 11/29/13 02:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That's super interesting, I did not realize that there were two types of food poisoning.  How does viral food poisoning happen? 

I assume bacterial food poisoning is either from rotten food, or from contaminated water used for crops. 

Can both types of food poisoning vectors be fixed by cooking?

One food safety / dumpster diving expert that I know says that if you heat meat to 165 degrees, it becomes safe, even if it came from the dumpster.  Does that apply to both bacteria and viruses?  And is he correct?




Viral contamination can be prevented by good hygiene practices

Bacterial Food poisoning in our countries is mainly due to poor hygiene practices, crossed contamination between foods or handlers - Food. There are many bacteria which may harm you that already exist in your organism (and are only pathogenic in a determined higher amount or if they get to produce their toxin) só it's important for people WHO handle Food to have a very good hygiene. Some bactéria are heat sensitive but their toxin is not (Clostridium perferigens for example).


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Re: poisoned? [Re: Tas75]
    #19203699 - 11/29/13 06:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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In that case, I'd say you've probably only been exposed to viral food poisoning (e.g. rotaviruses, noroviruses), which take as little as 2 hours to show first symptoms, and often self-corrects after 8-12 hours. Bacterial food poisonings usually have a longer incubation period (but can be as quick as 6 hours) and can last as long as a week, but normally 2-3 days, i.e. Salmonella. Of course it's all hypothetical, but since food safety was my provious field, I'm familiar with types of faecal contaminations and their symptoms...




My one experience with food poisoning must have been bacterial then - I got bad sushi
which left me violently sick for three days. Projectile vomiting etc. Skin color had a greenish
tint.

Symptoms came abrubtly about 6 hours past consumption.


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Re: poisoned? [Re: koods]
    #19203707 - 11/29/13 06:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's not uncommon for people to get sick from not properly cleaning wild mushrooms. Since you don't cook psilocybes before consuming, there are lots of things in the environment that could give you gastrointestinal problems. One in particular off the top of my head would be Giardiasis.



This is one of the reasons I always make tea instead of eating raw mushrooms.I'm sure a quick boil should kill most if not all bacteria and any other unwanted things like parasite eggs that some slugs and snails can leave behind.


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Re: poisoned? [Re: Blue-FunGuy]
    #19203778 - 11/29/13 06:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, soil is one of the best sources of contamination - bacteria and intestinal parasites.


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