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tub in tub / fruiting chamber
    #19203421 - 11/29/13 02:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hi all im new here so sorry if this post has been answered all ready or if its in the wrong place.  So basically its my first grow and I have been following the pf tek on erowid, this contains instructions on making a fruiting chamber with an ultrasonic humidifier on it. It is quite basic but should do the job my only worry is about the temperature ny thought is to make the chamber out of one of two tubs and use the tub in tub tek. Everything I read on the site tells me not to and says to use the shotgun tek but I am wondering if the CO2 exchange is under control from the ultrasonic humidifier and also obviously the humidity then surely the only thing I have to worry  about is the temperature?  Any Any advice would be great :smile: thanks


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19203474 - 11/29/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

As long as you are comfortable in your house, so will your mushies.
It is winter here where I am.  I keep my house usually in the mid 60`s.

They grow slower when when temps are lower.  All you need to do is heat the room they are in.  I use a little space heater from time to time.

Feel free to expieriment though and let us know how it worked.

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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: kratom_redmomd]
    #19203626 - 11/29/13 05:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks that's pretty much what I read all ready my home is pretty cold though I need to get a thermometer to see just how cold. The only reason im worried is cus its my first grow think ill put it on a timer as I heard the fluctuations help the shrooms. The heating in my house is kinda on a budget, although I did see a video on YouTube about heating ur room for 15 cents or something useing candles andd plant pots. I'll post some pictures as buy my equipment so I can recive a bit more advice, don't wanna fuck my shit up.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19203655 - 11/29/13 05:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I really hope you are not following this: http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_mmgg.shtml#Overview

That's where I started a while back...way WAY outdated tek / info. Stick to one of the PF Teks on here mate :thumbup:


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19203660 - 11/29/13 05:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

using the old pf tek you likely don't have a real elaborate setup. my advice to you would be to axe the sonic humidifier idea and just use perlite or something similiar if you aren't gonna case your cakes. its only my opinion wich is one out of a thousand but an ultra sonic seems a bit on the overkill side. especially when you need to also find alternate way to provide heat. the less things you have going on the better of an experience you are likely to have. if it were me i'd probably try and isolate it to the smallest room/enclosure possible and experiment with different things such as space heaters, heat lamps, heating pads etc. as a side note if you decide to try a heating pad its best to use some sort of buffer between it and your chamber such as a thick blanket. it'll likely dry out your substrate otherwise. experiment to suit your parameters.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: My Third Eye]
    #19203777 - 11/29/13 06:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah thats the tek I have been useing oops lol. Cant be that different? Can it? All I have done so far is inoculated my cakes which are clingfilmed in half pint glasses. Gonna get two tubs and a fish tank heater today for to incubat my cakes. Only thing im not sure about is my fruiting chamber as like I said it is cold in my home.  Thanks for the help guy's.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19203790 - 11/29/13 07:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.

Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.

Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.

Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.

The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 86F , and contams thrive.

Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.


Mycelium should be exposed to ambient room light from day of inoculation as has been known for many years.  Light is not a pinning trigger until after full colonization and an increase in air is given, and even then it's a secondary pinning trigger.
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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: PussyFart]
    #19203823 - 11/29/13 07:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Best get them out of the airing cupboard and into some light if I want them to colonise then yeah? Im pretty sure my home is colder than 65 not sure its only ten degrees c outside it is winter and im in the UK.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19203940 - 11/29/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Take them out of the cupboard i have mine in my living room open to light. my house is usually always around 74-76F so its not so bad. If ur house is really cold u could use an electric blanket to heat her up?
Or take her out and put into a small room or a closet with a small heater will make it colonize faster.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: VorHeez]
    #19204213 - 11/29/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

a little heat will definitely speed things up. although there is a tid bit of info out there if you peek around pointing at longer colonization times= higher potency. i'm sure your mileage will vary with that one. aside from that like i was saying before " keep it simple "


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: My Third Eye]
    #19204257 - 11/29/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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although there is a tid bit of info out there if you peek around pointing at longer colonization times= higher potency.



Potency is genetic, and has nothing to do with colonization time.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19204268 - 11/29/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah thats the tek I have been useing oops lol. Cant be that different? Can it? All I have done so far is inoculated my cakes which are clingfilmed in half pint glasses. Gonna get two tubs and a fish tank heater today for to incubat my cakes. Only thing im not sure about is my fruiting chamber as like I said it is cold in my home.  Thanks for the help guy's.




The tek is outdated and full of bad / unhelpful info. What's the clingfilm about? Don't worry too much about incubating unless it's seriously cold in your grow room. Make a SGFC if you are doing PF Tek - don't make the FC's talked about on that Erowid tek...that's where I started before I found the Shroomery - big mistake!

I notice yr in the UK...I am too so send me a PM if you need any advice about where to get any supplies etc :thumbup:


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: Skinty]
    #19204282 - 11/29/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

PS My grains are being colonised fine and shrooms growing fine without heating on during the day even though it has been freezing out (bit warmer today though ey la...) you probs don't need the incubation stuff - I got all the stuff to start with and it's not under the bed gathering dust :thumbup:


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: Skinty]
    #19267109 - 12/12/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How's the tub in tub coming along? I have the same problems of a cold house and trying to figure out how to keep temperatures up for colonisation and fruiting.

I was thinking of building a poor mans pod in a tub in tub... a bit like the Mycodome


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: Mushroon]
    #19269921 - 12/13/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the help basically I decided to do tub in tub then sgfc and I found a video of how to make a heater that runs off candles so if its to cold in my room ill use that but don't think I will need it tbh my tub in tub isn't much warmer than my room jars are at 26ish c. But a new question, is condensation in the jars bad? And the cling film is to seel them as I use half pint glasses.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19270608 - 12/13/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Let us know how your grow goes. I have similar conditions (heating only on in evening to a max of 18 celsius and 14 celsius the rest of the time). This makes me a bit concerned about the SGFC as it will never even reach 20 celsius.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: Mushroon]
    #19386799 - 01/08/14 07:55 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Well tgey seem to be taking forever to colonise tgey did speed up but so slow now any ideas guys?


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19386812 - 01/08/14 08:00 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: cronicr]
    #19389163 - 01/08/14 04:44 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

My batteries almost dead phone won't let me but I will in the morning there's some moisture in the gars on the glass and the top of the one is going blue I think this was called bruising? But other than that they look sound they sped up loads for a while but this last stretch seams to be taking forever thanks any advice appreciated.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19389206 - 01/08/14 04:50 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

as long as they get some ge they should be fine


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19389220 - 01/08/14 04:52 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Just be patient.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: OgreLokon]
    #19389239 - 01/08/14 04:54 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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Just be patient.



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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: cronicr]
    #19389490 - 01/08/14 05:26 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Ge? Gas exchange but they are in the a glass clingfilmed shut am I ment to let air in thats y the layer of verculite on the top?I uploaded picture but don't know how to put them on my post but yeah lol


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19389511 - 01/08/14 05:30 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

poke some holes, you have a verm barrier to stop contams


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: cronicr]
    #19421928 - 01/15/14 09:07 AM (10 years, 16 days ago)

Thanks guys the holes helped a lot got my fruiting chamber set up I got 17.3 c and 87 percent humidity I need to put more holes it tge tub as I didn't finish them because my fire went out and my hot poker became cold is this going to be ok or do I need to raise tge temperature in my room ?


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19422114 - 01/15/14 10:06 AM (10 years, 16 days ago)

should be all right but if you can get it a little warmer give'er


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: cronicr]
    #19422148 - 01/15/14 10:14 AM (10 years, 16 days ago)

Sweet ta.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19494986 - 01/30/14 04:34 AM (10 years, 1 day ago)

So I know that everyone will probably say be patient but im struggling. Lol been in the fruiting chamber over two weeks and I haven't seen any growth they look and smell healthy but no pins yet is it because my room is to cold or will that just slow down growth? Two of the cakes are slightly blue thanks for any help


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19495014 - 01/30/14 04:59 AM (10 years, 1 day ago)

That's one damn blurry pic! :lol:

Have you elevated your chamber to let air in through the bottom holes?
How often do you fan and mist, and how cold exactly is "cold"?

Hope it works out for ya, you seem to have done everything right now :thumbup:


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: spacechildo]
    #19495076 - 01/30/14 05:29 AM (10 years, 1 day ago)

Did you dunk and roll? Are you misting lightly till the cakes glisten and fanning regularly? And :whathesaid: is the fc elevated and I'm assuming you did put holes on all six sides?


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: spacechildo]
    #19495151 - 01/30/14 06:08 AM (10 years, 1 day ago)

Yeah mate cant see what I can have done wrong and yeah its off my phone see if I can get better this afternoon for ya and around 17.c in the day colder I presume at night yeah its elevated I try to fan around 5 or 6 times a day and mist when i fan unless its still wet from the last misting


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19495289 - 01/30/14 07:17 AM (10 years, 1 day ago)

did you consolidate for awhile after 100% ?. if not... probably the problem. its sitting in the sgfc consolidating, before fruiting...gl  :thumbup:


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: bluecap]
    #19495629 - 01/30/14 09:51 AM (10 years, 1 day ago)

Sounds pretty cold. Maybe have another look at the tub in tub fruiting chamber. Mine is on its third flush now, perfect humidity and no FAE problems with an air pump and occasional fanning.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: Mushroon]
    #19496198 - 01/30/14 12:28 PM (10 years, 1 day ago)

I waited a week or two after the outside was covered I think heating the fc might have to be the way. Mushroom just wondering are you saying that u use a tub in tub fc if so how did u set it up exactly? Perlite in the bottom of the tub air pump? For fae? Holes in the lid? Thanks


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19496583 - 01/30/14 02:02 PM (10 years, 22 hours ago)

I built a Poor Man's Pod (PMP) from a 40 Litre plastic box which sits inside an identical box which is full of water and a 100 Watt Hidom fish tank heater.

Inside the PMP I placed 10 litres (about 4 inches in my box) of clay pellets used for hydroponics (these are called many things... LECA, Hydrotron, Geolite). These need to be washed really well as they give off lots of dust.

Under the pellets I have two 8 inch long air stones for a fish tank. These make the air from the air pump form lots of tiny bubbles which help with the humidification.

Most of the criticism of PMP's is that they don't get enough FAE so you need to buy a decent sized air pump. I used a Hidom HD-604 which is cheap (£14 inc. delivery) and gives 5.4 litres per minute. This is plenty for my little PMP but you may need bigger.

Check out Magash's thread on PMP's as he seems to be the main guru on this type of grow.

Finally some pics to prove it works

Third Flush for this cake


Second Flush for this cake


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: Mushroon]
    #19496614 - 01/30/14 02:07 PM (10 years, 22 hours ago)

Oh I also didn't put any holes in the lid as its not a perfect seal, but to encourage pinning I sprayed, fanned and left the lid off for an hour each day to encourage pinning through evaporation.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: Mushroon]
    #19496738 - 01/30/14 02:26 PM (10 years, 22 hours ago)

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Oh I also didn't put any holes in the lid as its not a perfect seal, but to encourage pinning I sprayed, fanned and left the lid off for an hour each day to encourage pinning through evaporation.



Good. I was recommend that. I do that a couple times a day as soon as they start to pin to encourage evaporation. All our tubs have imperfect seals. You should still have holes in all 6 sides.


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    #19496818 - 01/30/14 02:39 PM (10 years, 22 hours ago)

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vikingsc said:You should still have holes in all 6 sides.




Haha yeah the "shotgun fruiting is better" comments always come up but you can't heat them. For small grows where heating the room isn't feasible this works perfectly.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: Mushroon]
    #19497148 - 01/30/14 03:32 PM (10 years, 21 hours ago)

Sorry I was talking about the OP's SGFC. Obviously your pmp doesn't need holes in all 6 sides. I've used pmp's myself. That's what I started with - with coir/verm/WBS in small trays in multiple small pmp's. I'm not here to knock them. Just commenting on his SGFC.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: vikingsc]
    #19499766 - 01/31/14 04:25 AM (10 years, 8 hours ago)

Yeah got holes on 6 sides gonna wack a heat bomb in on my break ive got some jars that should be big enough to put my aquarium heater in as the tubs I have to order off tge net but that pmp looks good idea might knock one up over the next few weeks whats everyone think about useing a heat bomb ? Bad idea.? Thanks


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19500153 - 01/31/14 07:33 AM (10 years, 5 hours ago)

It's always a bad idea to heat the fruiting chamber.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19500420 - 01/31/14 09:06 AM (10 years, 3 hours ago)

Sorted out my heat bomb and took some pics found a mushroom growing from the bottom of one cake and on the top the mycellium is growing into points to pin I think anyway I will upload later on as my phone is playing up and I wanna go bed thanks and I thought it was a bad idea temp solution till next grow? as should be warmer by then lol


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19501040 - 01/31/14 12:10 PM (10 years, 39 minutes ago)

The FC being warmer than the room will cause nasty condensation.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: vikingsc]
    #19501442 - 01/31/14 02:01 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

and in turn steal your moisture/rh


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19501561 - 01/31/14 02:22 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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So I know that everyone will probably say be patient but im struggling. Lol been in the fruiting chamber over two weeks and I haven't seen any growth they look and smell healthy but no pins yet is it because my room is to cold or will that just slow down growth? Two of the cakes are slightly blue thanks for any help




I happened to notice that you seem to have a lot of excess foil around the the bottom of your cakes. from what I've read, this will restrict the water from evaporating off the perlite near the cake, which is where you need it.
I'm a noob, correct me if I'm wrong.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: zerobot]
    #19501594 - 01/31/14 02:27 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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So I know that everyone will probably say be patient but im struggling. Lol been in the fruiting chamber over two weeks and I haven't seen any growth they look and smell healthy but no pins yet is it because my room is to cold or will that just slow down growth? Two of the cakes are slightly blue thanks for any help




I happened to notice that you seem to have a lot of excess foil around the the bottom of your cakes. from what I've read, this will restrict the water from evaporating off the perlite near the cake, which is where you need it.
I'm a noob, correct me if I'm wrong.



:whathesaid:\
nd those cakes look dry


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: cronicr]
    #19501622 - 01/31/14 02:34 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I just put cakes directly on the perlite. Not like they mind the moisture.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: vikingsc]
    #19501867 - 01/31/14 03:30 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

RR and a whole lot of others will tell you not to place cakes directly on the perlite.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: vikingsc]
    #19501913 - 01/31/14 03:39 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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I just put cakes directly on the perlite. Not like they mind the moisture.



:facepalm:  There is not a single tek that says to do this.

In fact there are millions of posts which say not to.

Get them off the perlite.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: PussyFart]
    #19503166 - 01/31/14 08:06 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks guys keep u posted


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19524261 - 02/05/14 09:00 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

My phone won't let me upload pictures but I took heatbomb  out cus was drying cakes out and I now have two fair sized heads coming out the bottom of 1 cake And another one poking threw but there all coming from right at the bottom so I turned my cakes upside Down and found another 1 under the tinfoil bigger than the others this is on a different cake they smell and look healthy some are blue :smile:


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19524379 - 02/05/14 09:29 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

You'll be tripping in no time!


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: Mushroon]
    #19524389 - 02/05/14 09:31 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks that's what I thought lol any idea why they are coming threw at tge bottom or is this just chance I expected them to come from the top?


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19528811 - 02/06/14 03:11 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

The head of one has broken away but irs only about an inch big :frown: soon be time to pick but ive still only got 3


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