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tub in tub / fruiting chamber
    #19203421 - 11/29/13 02:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hi all im new here so sorry if this post has been answered all ready or if its in the wrong place.  So basically its my first grow and I have been following the pf tek on erowid, this contains instructions on making a fruiting chamber with an ultrasonic humidifier on it. It is quite basic but should do the job my only worry is about the temperature ny thought is to make the chamber out of one of two tubs and use the tub in tub tek. Everything I read on the site tells me not to and says to use the shotgun tek but I am wondering if the CO2 exchange is under control from the ultrasonic humidifier and also obviously the humidity then surely the only thing I have to worry  about is the temperature?  Any Any advice would be great :smile: thanks


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19203474 - 11/29/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

As long as you are comfortable in your house, so will your mushies.
It is winter here where I am.  I keep my house usually in the mid 60`s.

They grow slower when when temps are lower.  All you need to do is heat the room they are in.  I use a little space heater from time to time.

Feel free to expieriment though and let us know how it worked.

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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: kratom_redmomd]
    #19203626 - 11/29/13 05:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks that's pretty much what I read all ready my home is pretty cold though I need to get a thermometer to see just how cold. The only reason im worried is cus its my first grow think ill put it on a timer as I heard the fluctuations help the shrooms. The heating in my house is kinda on a budget, although I did see a video on YouTube about heating ur room for 15 cents or something useing candles andd plant pots. I'll post some pictures as buy my equipment so I can recive a bit more advice, don't wanna fuck my shit up.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19203655 - 11/29/13 05:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I really hope you are not following this: http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_mmgg.shtml#Overview

That's where I started a while back...way WAY outdated tek / info. Stick to one of the PF Teks on here mate :thumbup:


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19203660 - 11/29/13 05:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

using the old pf tek you likely don't have a real elaborate setup. my advice to you would be to axe the sonic humidifier idea and just use perlite or something similiar if you aren't gonna case your cakes. its only my opinion wich is one out of a thousand but an ultra sonic seems a bit on the overkill side. especially when you need to also find alternate way to provide heat. the less things you have going on the better of an experience you are likely to have. if it were me i'd probably try and isolate it to the smallest room/enclosure possible and experiment with different things such as space heaters, heat lamps, heating pads etc. as a side note if you decide to try a heating pad its best to use some sort of buffer between it and your chamber such as a thick blanket. it'll likely dry out your substrate otherwise. experiment to suit your parameters.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: My Third Eye]
    #19203777 - 11/29/13 06:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah thats the tek I have been useing oops lol. Cant be that different? Can it? All I have done so far is inoculated my cakes which are clingfilmed in half pint glasses. Gonna get two tubs and a fish tank heater today for to incubat my cakes. Only thing im not sure about is my fruiting chamber as like I said it is cold in my home.  Thanks for the help guy's.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19203790 - 11/29/13 07:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.

Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.

Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.

Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.

The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 86F , and contams thrive.

Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.


Mycelium should be exposed to ambient room light from day of inoculation as has been known for many years.  Light is not a pinning trigger until after full colonization and an increase in air is given, and even then it's a secondary pinning trigger.
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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: PussyFart]
    #19203823 - 11/29/13 07:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Best get them out of the airing cupboard and into some light if I want them to colonise then yeah? Im pretty sure my home is colder than 65 not sure its only ten degrees c outside it is winter and im in the UK.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19203940 - 11/29/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Take them out of the cupboard i have mine in my living room open to light. my house is usually always around 74-76F so its not so bad. If ur house is really cold u could use an electric blanket to heat her up?
Or take her out and put into a small room or a closet with a small heater will make it colonize faster.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: VorHeez]
    #19204213 - 11/29/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

a little heat will definitely speed things up. although there is a tid bit of info out there if you peek around pointing at longer colonization times= higher potency. i'm sure your mileage will vary with that one. aside from that like i was saying before " keep it simple "


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: My Third Eye]
    #19204257 - 11/29/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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although there is a tid bit of info out there if you peek around pointing at longer colonization times= higher potency.



Potency is genetic, and has nothing to do with colonization time.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19204268 - 11/29/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Yeah thats the tek I have been useing oops lol. Cant be that different? Can it? All I have done so far is inoculated my cakes which are clingfilmed in half pint glasses. Gonna get two tubs and a fish tank heater today for to incubat my cakes. Only thing im not sure about is my fruiting chamber as like I said it is cold in my home.  Thanks for the help guy's.




The tek is outdated and full of bad / unhelpful info. What's the clingfilm about? Don't worry too much about incubating unless it's seriously cold in your grow room. Make a SGFC if you are doing PF Tek - don't make the FC's talked about on that Erowid tek...that's where I started before I found the Shroomery - big mistake!

I notice yr in the UK...I am too so send me a PM if you need any advice about where to get any supplies etc :thumbup:


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: Skinty]
    #19204282 - 11/29/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

PS My grains are being colonised fine and shrooms growing fine without heating on during the day even though it has been freezing out (bit warmer today though ey la...) you probs don't need the incubation stuff - I got all the stuff to start with and it's not under the bed gathering dust :thumbup:


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: Skinty]
    #19267109 - 12/12/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How's the tub in tub coming along? I have the same problems of a cold house and trying to figure out how to keep temperatures up for colonisation and fruiting.

I was thinking of building a poor mans pod in a tub in tub... a bit like the Mycodome


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: Mushroon]
    #19269921 - 12/13/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the help basically I decided to do tub in tub then sgfc and I found a video of how to make a heater that runs off candles so if its to cold in my room ill use that but don't think I will need it tbh my tub in tub isn't much warmer than my room jars are at 26ish c. But a new question, is condensation in the jars bad? And the cling film is to seel them as I use half pint glasses.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19270608 - 12/13/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Let us know how your grow goes. I have similar conditions (heating only on in evening to a max of 18 celsius and 14 celsius the rest of the time). This makes me a bit concerned about the SGFC as it will never even reach 20 celsius.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: Mushroon]
    #19386799 - 01/08/14 07:55 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Well tgey seem to be taking forever to colonise tgey did speed up but so slow now any ideas guys?


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19386812 - 01/08/14 08:00 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

post a pic


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: cronicr]
    #19389163 - 01/08/14 04:44 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

My batteries almost dead phone won't let me but I will in the morning there's some moisture in the gars on the glass and the top of the one is going blue I think this was called bruising? But other than that they look sound they sped up loads for a while but this last stretch seams to be taking forever thanks any advice appreciated.


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Re: tub in tub / fruiting chamber [Re: UnwashedShroom]
    #19389206 - 01/08/14 04:50 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

as long as they get some ge they should be fine


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