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Difference in subjunctive effects of Trichocereus Pachanoi, Bridgesii and Peruvianus?
    #19201133 - 11/28/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The following is a list of the alkaloids contained in their respective cacti. My question is can someone explain the subjunctive effects of each respective cactus before and after extraction? Obviously each trip will be different but the alkaloids should provide for markedly different effects. Trying to decide which one would be most suitable for me.

Trichocereus Pachanoi:

3-methoxytyramine,
3-demethylmescaline,
3-hydroxy-4,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine,
3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine,
3,4-dimethoxy-5-hydroxyphenethylamine,
3,5-dimethoxy-4-hydroxyphenethylamine,
4-hydroxy-3-methoxyphenethylamine,
Anhalonidine,
Anhalinine,
Hordenine,
Mescaline,
Tyramine, and
Pellotine


Trichocereus Bridgesii:

3-Methoxytyramine,
3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine,
3,4-dimethoxy-5-hydroxyphenethylamine,
Tyramine,
3,5-dimethoxy-4-hydroxyphenethylamine, and
Mescaline


Trichocereus Peruvianus:

3-methoxytyramine,
Tyramine,
Mescaline,
Two unknown alkaloids, and
3,5-dimethoxy-4-hydroxyphenethylamine


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Re: Difference in subjunctive effects of Trichocereus Pachanoi, Bridgesii and Peruvianus? [Re: Kman1898]
    #19201188 - 11/28/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

whats up with the two unknown alkaloids?


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Re: Difference in subjunctive effects of Trichocereus Pachanoi, Bridgesii and Peruvianus? [Re: jack_straw2208]
    #19201230 - 11/28/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have yet to find a source which documents the akaloid content of the Peruvianus. The source I found had listed the alkaloids as such and said that 2 were unidentifiable. Obliviously in this day and age entire makeup should be mapped so if you have a source which tell of all alkaloids that'd be great but I haven't found one better than this.

My question still remains...what are the subjunctive effects of each cactus respectively before and after extraction?


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Re: Difference in subjunctive effects of Trichocereus Pachanoi, Bridgesii and Peruvianus? [Re: Kman1898]
    #19201380 - 11/28/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i'd do it myself, but its thanksgiving and i'm full and drunk. i'd say google is your best bet. it might take some sifting, but you could become famous if you took it upon yourself to compile all the information on the various alkaloids found in psychedelic cacti.

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Re: Difference in subjunctive effects of Trichocereus Pachanoi, Bridgesii and Peruvianus? [Re: jack_straw2208]
    #19201640 - 11/28/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My question is not about akaloid content though...I couldn't care less. What I'm asking is "what are the subjunctive effects of each cactus respectively before and after extraction?"


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Re: Difference in subjunctive effects of Trichocereus Pachanoi, Bridgesii and Peruvianus? [Re: Kman1898]
    #19202003 - 11/28/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Do you mean the subjective effects? Subjunctive is a grammatical term.


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Re: Difference in subjunctive effects of Trichocereus Pachanoi, Bridgesii and Peruvianus? [Re: Kman1898]
    #19202195 - 11/28/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Although this isn't the right place to get into this kind of discussion drinking a syrup made from a basic water extraction will be different from a true salted extraction. Even doing a extraction with one of the tech's on the net will not mean you are going to get all of the alkaloids present in the cacti. Unless you have assess to a complete lab I cant see you being able to pull all of the alkaloids as this more than likely would mean doing multiple extractions. There are also other solvents that can be used to pull a broader range of alkaloids but you will need to do your own research as I am not going to get into this any further.



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Re: Difference in subjunctive effects of Trichocereus Pachanoi, Bridgesii and Peruvianus? [Re: GoOnThen]
    #19202686 - 11/28/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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GoOnThen said:
Although this isn't the right place to get into this kind of discussion drinking a syrup made from a basic water extraction will be different from a true salted extraction. Even doing a extraction with one of the tech's on the net will not mean you are going to get all of the alkaloids present in the cacti. Unless you have assess to a complete lab I cant see you being able to pull all of the alkaloids as this more than likely would mean doing multiple extractions. There are also other solvents that can be used to pull a broader range of alkaloids but you will need to do your own research as I am not going to get into this any further.



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Okay clearly you guys are missing my question by a mile. I simply put the alkaloids here as a reference. 

What I am inquiring about is if I made tea from a basic water extraction what will be the effects for each cacti comparatively speaking? Also I know a true salted extraction won't get all the alkaloids but what are the general effects from each cacti? I know they are different but I'd like to know how tea and a salted extract made from pedro, Peruvianus and Bridgesii compare.?


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Re: Difference in subjunctive effects of Trichocereus Pachanoi, Bridgesii and Peruvianus? [Re: Kman1898]
    #19202768 - 11/28/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I will try and put this very simple.
You are not getting a prescribed drug which should be the same every time you buy it. These are plants with so many variables that make it impossible to get the same amount and the some alkaloids unless it is the same clone and even the growing condition may or may not make a difference.

If you are looking for trip reports then try google.

Also you will never know if the reports are correct as most people cant even ID a San Pedro let alone tell the difference between the three cacti that you are talking about and the there are so many hybrids around. How do you even know if you even get a Bridge, Pach or Peruvian that is a pure plant not a hybrid.

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Re: Difference in subjunctive effects of Trichocereus Pachanoi, Bridgesii and Peruvianus? (moved) [Re: Kman1898]
    #19203087 - 11/28/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This thread was moved from The Ethnobotanical Garden.

Reason:
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Re: Difference in subjunctive effects of Trichocereus Pachanoi, Bridgesii and Peruvianus? (moved) [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #19203139 - 11/28/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I can tell you about the subjective effects of Bridgessi, raw.  Whenever I chew it raw I end up tripping face.  :smirk:


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Re: Difference in subjunctive effects of Trichocereus Pachanoi, Bridgesii and Peruvianus? [Re: Kman1898]
    #19203931 - 11/29/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've found pachanoi to be more dreamy and a little sleepy feeling, where I've found bridgesii to be more stimulating and "speedy" (if one could use a term like that). I've not had the most powerful experiences with peruvianus, so it's hard for me to say where it falls in the spectrum.


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Re: Difference in subjunctive effects of Trichocereus Pachanoi, Bridgesii and Peruvianus? (moved) [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19204156 - 11/29/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

starfire_xes said:
I can tell you about the subjective effects of Bridgessi, raw.  Whenever I chew it raw I end up tripping face.  :smirk:





Hey starfire,

I see you are the "cactus man" on the forums....

I'm about to order in some bridgesii for my first time...think I should go for a full 12 inches for my first experience with mescaline? Any comparison to how many mics of L the strength of a 12 inch trip is similar to?


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