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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lwheidt]
    #19202602 - 11/28/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

animal fats have been shown not to be that bad, look up an article by harvard called "end the low fat myth" and im not for that, certain things have to be regulated and resturaunts shouldn't be able to serve poison and then lie about it, again would you be okay with water companies not testing for lead?


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Smart people dont eat trans fat. If I eat a lot it clogs up my system real fast. Basically they are garbage and dangerous.  You have to be a moonbat to eat them.





unless you are poor and can't afford the more expensive kind of food that's not cooked with the cheaper partially hydrogenated oils.








and since when does regulating dangerous things that companies serve mean i want a government with a microscope up our ass 24/7?

and its not the government its us that wants it, the government gains nothing from banning trans fats.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19202611 - 11/28/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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and its not the government its us that wants it, the government gains nothing from banning trans fats.





So most people aren't smart enough to think for themselves.  You should apply that to drugs, alcohol, and everything else then.

And yes, the government does want something from it.  its called 'control'


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19202714 - 11/28/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Would you prefer to see more people or less people die of preventable heart attacks?
There has been a long fight to make food safer. It may be useless government control to some, but this will save a lot of lives. Transfat should never have been approved as food. Its garbage.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19202776 - 11/28/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm fine with making them label food products as such, but I don't think they should out and out ban it.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19202808 - 11/28/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So most people aren't smart enough to think for themselves.  You should apply that to drugs, alcohol, and everything else then.

And yes, the government does want something from it.  its called 'control'






no the majority of people don't want it in their food, which means the majority of people are smart enough. the problem again is the people who end of having to buy trans fat stuffed food because its the cheapest.





and how is the people wanting something banned and the government doing what the people want giving the government control? its democracy at its finest.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19202836 - 11/28/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

They should put a hefty tax on it like cigarettes.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew] * 1
    #19202901 - 11/28/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So most people aren't smart enough to think for themselves.  You should apply that to drugs, alcohol, and everything else then.

And yes, the government does want something from it.  its called 'control'






no the majority of people don't want it in their food, which means the majority of people are smart enough. the problem again is the people who end of having to buy trans fat stuffed food because its the cheapest.





and how is the people wanting something banned and the government doing what the people want giving the government control? its democracy at its finest.





who wants it banned?  Where are the stats?  Do you mean, based on what the Moonbat media says people when polled say they want them banned?  There was people that wanted to ban water, for chris sakes. 


by the way, how do you know what people think and want?  The overbearing govenrment bans don't do shit. 

Let me ask something and think hard.  this is a hard question.  If no body wanted to eat hamburgers, would Mcdonalds serve them?  Duhhhhhhh.....


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: Le_Canard]
    #19202917 - 11/28/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

there that would work to.



Or crazy alternative they make following the FDA rules optional and tighten up the regulations so restaurants that pass get a little sticker/seal of approval thingy that way no one can cry about their rights being taken away and the free market will eventually force all the companies to follow the more strict FDA regulations because no will want to eat at an unapproved place but you will have the option to if you have some weird desire to cause yourself brain damage.

also it would allow for the FDA to make regulations faster and not be influenced as much by the corporations vast funds



or people quit complaining that restaurants can't put toxic stuff in their food/tax it.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19202953 - 11/28/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

your missing the point entirely. No one is disputing that trans fats are bad. Cigarettes are bad for you as well, should we ban those? No, because people have a right to their own body, they should be allowed to ingest trans fats just like they have the right to consume tobacco products. If people do not want trans fat in their foods they won't eat foods that contain trans fats, simple as that.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19202962 - 11/28/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Let me ask something and think hard.  this is a hard question.  If no body wanted to eat hamburgers, would Mcdonalds serve them?  Duhhhhhhh.....







of course people wouldn't unless of course hamburgers were the basis of almost every food out there and you had to be middle class to be able to stay away form the hamburgers like you had to be when trans fats were in nearly everything.

how are you supposed to stop eating trans fats? not everyone can afford it if no one liked hamburgers but they could be sold very cheap some families would have no choice to eat them.

also since when do hamburgers cause cell membrane damage?




and besides the only reason they are finally doing it is because an american CITIZEN who has been studying heart disease for 60 years sued the FDA




"The lawsuit, Kummerow vs US Food and Drug Administration et al,16 was filed August 9, 2013 with the Illinois Central District Court. Listed defendants include Kathleen Sebelius, Michael M Landa, US Dept of Health and Human Services, Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, Margaret Hamburg, and the FDA.

According to an August 13, 2013 report by FoodNavigator.com,17 Dr. Kummerow “is seeking a judgment declaring that the FDA’s failure to ban the use of partially hydrogenated oils... and its delay in issuing a final response to his 2009 petition, violate the Administrative Procedure Act and the Food, Drug, and Cosmetics Act.” Dr. Kummerow also sought “an order compelling the FDA to respond to his petition and to ban partially hydrogenated oils ‘unless a complete administrative review finds new evidence for their safety.’”











so already you have an educated citizen who is responsible for the FDA trying to ban



now there is plenty of time for people to comment and convince the FDA to keep trans fats here you can message them right now i will give you the link


http://www.fda.gov/Food/NewsEvents/ConstituentUpdates/ucm373925.htm



give them all your compelling arguments and if the majority of people argued that it should be kept and its not a health concern then it wouldn't  be banned , but the problem is that it IS a health concern.





again would you be fine with lead dust being allowed in your food? companies wouldn't have to check it or care and could lie to your faces if they want again where is the limitations on what people can and cannot do? there has to be a limit and not being allowed to poison customers is one of them.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19202968 - 11/28/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

lead is not a food product. Trans fats are.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19202978 - 11/28/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

right but the problem is they tried that and the companies did every single thing they could to lie and put trans fats in there anyways, i bought coffee sweetener that said "0 grams trans fat!" so i bought and after a year of using it i learned that i had to read the label(was getting more involved in my health) and the second ingredient was partially hydrogenated soybean oil!!!



also some people don't have a choice on what food they boy and are forced to go with the cheaper and less healthy foods



also you are free to eat trans fats all you want in the same way that you can sprinkle lead shavings and soak your food in mercury, companies just aren't allowed to poison you.




also trans fats are NOT food



food
fo͞od/
noun
noun: food; plural noun: foods

    1.
    any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink, or that plants absorb, in order to maintain life and growth.





they have zero nutritional value and raise the bad cholesterol and lower the good one at the same time, while causing cell membrane damage and numerous other health problems.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19202993 - 11/28/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

so company deception is simply you being too lazy to read the label :rofl2: It really took you an entire year to look at the ingredients in your food? Come on man thats just lazy, don't make the government regulate due to your laziness. And people do have a choice about what they eat. Eat an apple for gods sake. Your not forced to eat mcdonalds burgers.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19203022 - 11/28/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no it snot being lazy its not expecting a company to lie to your face...


and apples are a lot more expensive then McDonalds


besides McDonalds removed trans fats from there food a while back




and should i really have to check every single ingredient of every single thing i eat to make sure its safe(i do now but most people don't have the time) i mean how would i know partially hydrogenated fats were trans fats without a little research? it would mean i would have to google every single ingredient on the list of a food item to see what had trans fats and what didn't(i know them all now but even now some will just list "margarine" as an ingredient which can sometimes contain trans fats and also cannot so how the hell am i supposed to know? you call the company and all you get is an 18 year old drop out who doesn't know what a trans fat is!)

they should just ya know.... not put poison in the food because its cheaper!


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19203041 - 11/28/13 11:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

its called being an educated consumer. If you don't give a fuck enough about your own health to find out what your putting into your body then thats your choice.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
    #19203082 - 11/28/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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lead is not a food product. Trans fats are.




I'd like to see safrole oil used in root beer again. Nom nom.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
    #19203115 - 11/28/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i don't eat it either but the FDA should not be telling people what they are allowed or not allowed to eat.




And I shouldn't have to pay for your cigarette or trans fat related cancers either but I will by paying much higher health insurance premiums.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
    #19203128 - 11/28/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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its called being an educated consumer. If you don't give a fuck enough about your own health to find out what your putting into your body then thats your choice.






so read the label realize they lied to you do hours and hours of research then decide whether its safe??


and do that before every meal?


some people don't have the resources to even find that information





What about the people who can't afford anything else?




what about the kids with shitty parent who let them eat whatever they want?

what about the kids who find money and buy the foods them selves? parents can't prevent that?


the school lunches? should parents even have to worry that the school food is causing brain damage?


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19203175 - 11/28/13 11:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

so basically your statement summed up is that parents and people in general are incompetent losers who need the government to protect and coddle them. is that about right?


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19203247 - 11/29/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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its called being an educated consumer. If you don't give a fuck enough about your own health to find out what your putting into your body then thats your choice.






so read the label realize they lied to you do hours and hours of research then decide whether its safe??


and do that before every meal?


some people don't have the resources to even find that information





What about the people who can't afford anything else?




what about the kids with shitty parent who let them eat whatever they want?

what about the kids who find money and buy the foods them selves? parents can't prevent that?


the school lunches? should parents even have to worry that the school food is causing brain damage?




Do you know you are brainwashed?  You have bought into the Utopian Dream that a big, nanny intrusive government serves you and the people.  You've lost sight of the fact that it is a bunch of assclowns in suits who have one goal in mind--to line their pockets with the fruits of the peoples labor.

It's sad to see what has transpired in the US and world since the 60's.  At that time, liberals were totally against a big, intrusive government.  they were for the individual, and wanted the individual to have rights and be free of a Big Brother Government.

Now look at the liberals.  They think big government is the solution to all problems.  And when you look at the big picture, very objectively, you can see that the problem isn't people eating transfats, or taking drugs, or any number of other 'problems' that the government is 'fixing.' 

The problem is the fucking government sticking their goddamn noses in everything to 'solve' the problems that THEY CREATED in most cases.

The big nanny state government, and the TOOLS who are elected to it by the fools who elect them, create the problems that require solutions that only the government can seem to provide.


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