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Cracked corn
    #19201177 - 11/28/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

As some of you may have read in another thread, I have some Equador agar dishes ready to transfer to grain (the Galindoi we're still working on), so I have one more question to ask in order to be able to propperly set everything up before the weekend.

I was looking for alternative grains to spawn since rye is harder to get in my country: I'd have to travel to a city 3 hours from where i live, while I can get any kind of corn you can imagine in my own city for as cheap as the rye.

I read TheApprentice's thread on cracked corn http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17880402/fpart/1/vc/1 as well as this tek on cracked corn http://www.shroomery.org/9034/Cracked-Corn-Preparation-Technique  and I'm definitely going to try my first corn grain substrate.

I also got encouraged by reading this paper: http://scihub.org/ABJNA/PDF/2010/5/ABJNA-1-5-817-820.pdf ; It is about oysters, but it also shows that the fastest colonization times occured on white corn...

Which brings me to my question:

There are plenty of threads regarding gypsum and coffee to be added to rye or WBS, but I have seen none regarding using those additives to corn.  Does anyone know if it would work the same in cracked corn if I use the same proportions?


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Re: Cracked corn [Re: Honguista]
    #19201276 - 11/28/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

awwe shucks!

:bashful:

YES CRACKED CORN RULES.

I've never added gypsum, although I've added coffee
to the soak water (not coffee grounds).
things to remember with cracked corn.

RINSE BEFORE SOAK.

NO BOIL.

RINSE THOROUGHLY AFTER SOAK.

DRY THOROUGHLY.

And if you are using to g2g,
do it immediately after full colonization
or that shit will be a solid cake 2 weeks later,
and it doesn't break up well banging the jar.

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Re: Cracked corn [Re: TheApprentice]
    #19201764 - 11/28/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Cracked corn, and corn in general suck. They just don't hold enough water.

If you must use corn, use regular popcorn. Load it into your PC (not in jars) cover with a lot of water and PC at 15 PSI for 30 minutes. Drain, jar it up and sterilize.

WBS is a much better, and usually cheaper, choice though.


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Re: Cracked corn [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #19201822 - 11/28/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Cracked corn, and corn in general suck. They just don't hold enough water.

If you must use corn, use regular popcorn. Load it into your PC (not in jars) cover with a lot of water and PC at 15 PSI for 30 minutes. Drain, jar it up and sterilize.

WBS is a much better, and usually cheaper, choice though.




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Re: Cracked corn [Re: Honguista]
    #19201861 - 11/28/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know what country you live in, but there has to be an abundance of other grains there.  Whole brown rice?  Wheat? Amaranth? Sorghum?  Grass seed?


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Re: Cracked corn [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19201932 - 11/28/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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FrankHorrigan said:
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36fuckin5 said:
Cracked corn, and corn in general suck. They just don't hold enough water.

If you must use corn, use regular popcorn. Load it into your PC (not in jars) cover with a lot of water and PC at 15 PSI for 30 minutes. Drain, jar it up and sterilize.

WBS is a much better, and usually cheaper, choice though.




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Re: Cracked corn [Re: TheApprentice]
    #19201938 - 11/28/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Me and 36 never said it wouldn't work. Of course it works.

But the fact is that I can do every other grain much easier, to the same end. That's my point :shrug:

Do I really need to drop my tub pics and gourmets in here? :lol:


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Re: Cracked corn [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19201950 - 11/28/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I can do every other grain much easier, to the same end. That's my point :shrug:




:whathesaid:

Corn also doesn't make a lot of jars per dry lb of grain, making it kind of expensive.


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Re: Cracked corn [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19201957 - 11/28/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

LOL
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FrankHorrigan said:
I can do every other grain much easier, to the same end. That's my point :shrug:

Do I really need to drop my tub pics and gourmets in here? :lol:





:slowreaction:

LOL No.  I'm just sayin it can be worked with just fine.

and for .17 a pound, why not?  :wink:


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Re: Cracked corn [Re: TheApprentice]
    #19201969 - 11/28/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hey, if it works for ya, it works. Don't let me stop you :lol:


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Re: Cracked corn [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19201978 - 11/28/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Popcorn can work, its just a pain in the ass, has super few nock points, and contams easy. I have used popcorn successfully in the past. Won't use it again now that I have tried WBS, Rye, and HRWW. It does smell really good when it comes out of the PC tho :thumbup:

Its like bringing a knife to a gun fight. The knife can work, but the gun is better.


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Re: Cracked corn [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19201985 - 11/28/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Hey, if it works for ya, it works. Don't let me stop you :lol:





I mean, I'm definitely using WBS for my little cube grow right now... Shhh!


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Re: Cracked corn [Re: TheApprentice]
    #19202212 - 11/28/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The cheap price of cracked corn doesn't make up for the lower yields and higher rates of contamination.  It can work of course and I've used it too, but there's better alternatives.

To the original poster, you can use just about any cereal grain.  Grass seed also works well.  If you must use corn, see if you can find whole kernels.
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Re: Cracked corn [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19202282 - 11/28/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The cheap price of cracked corn doesn't make up for the lower yields and higher rates of contamination.




I never had problems with contams, but I never saw it as cheaper. When you look at the price of a 50 lb bag of corn and how many jars you get compared to how many you get out of 50 lb of WBS or even better rye (but rye is very cost-prohibitive in my area) it's a lot more expensive.

For roughly $20, I get 50 lbs of WBS, which will get me about 90 jars. For about the same price, I get 50 lbs of popcorn, which will get me about 60 jars. WBS yields a little better and ends up with less cost per jar.

IMO, the only grains worth using are rye, milo, millet and to a lesser extent wheat. As RR said, any cereal grain works but some are better than others.


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Re: Cracked corn [Re: TheApprentice]
    #19202581 - 11/28/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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awwe shucks!

:bashful:

YES CRACKED CORN RULES.

I've never added gypsum, although I've added coffee
to the soak water (not coffee grounds).
things to remember with cracked corn.

RINSE BEFORE SOAK.

NO BOIL.

RINSE THOROUGHLY AFTER SOAK.

DRY THOROUGHLY.

And if you are using to g2g,
do it immediately after full colonization
or that shit will be a solid cake 2 weeks later,
and it doesn't break up well banging the jar.

Good Luck:zaphod:




Great TheApprentice, thanks a lot! I'll be adding some coffee and gypsum as well, we'll see how it turns.
I'm planning on spawning my agars to the corn this weekend, so I'll be posting an update soon.


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Re: Cracked corn [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19202595 - 11/28/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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36fuckin5 said:
Cracked corn, and corn in general suck. They just don't hold enough water.

If you must use corn, use regular popcorn. Load it into your PC (not in jars) cover with a lot of water and PC at 15 PSI for 30 minutes. Drain, jar it up and sterilize.

WBS is a much better, and usually cheaper, choice though.




:whathesaid:




I think I have enough agars and I can get enough corn to do two batches actually: one following TheApprentice method, and another one following FrankHorrigan/36fuckin5.

I feel as if I'm being really stubborn about the corn thing, but hey: cost the same as rye where I live, and I have to walk 1 block to the store, versus driving 3 hours to the other city... Not in the mood. lol

In the end, if nothing else, we'll have a good comparison between two different scenarios, which will either give us more lights about working with corn, or give more fuel to the already corn-hating members... lmfao!

You are great guys, thanks a lot for the good laughs.


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Re: Cracked corn [Re: Psilicon]
    #19202601 - 11/28/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't know what country you live in, but there has to be an abundance of other grains there.  Whole brown rice?  Wheat? Amaranth? Sorghum?  Grass seed?




To be honest, the only ones I've been able to find are grass seed and WBS in garden/pet stores.  Rye, wheat and another one that I don't know how to translate if I drive the 3 hours to that other place.

And do you know what else has proven to be IMPOSSIBLE to get my hands on here? Vermiculite and perlite...  Kinda limited options.


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Re: Cracked corn [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19202610 - 11/28/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The cheap price of cracked corn doesn't make up for the lower yields and higher rates of contamination.  It can work of course and I've used it too, but there's better alternatives.

To the original poster, you can use just about any cereal grain.  Grass seed also works well.  If you must use corn, see if you can find whole kernels.
RR




Thanks RR! Will add a batch of whole kernels as well for purposes of comparison then.  This is gonna turn quite interesting in the end!


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Re: Cracked corn [Re: Honguista]
    #19202658 - 11/28/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You can trust a handful of people who have gotten results from cracked corn, and are the lucky ones, or you can go with people like me and Frank who verify our methods through thousands of tests in thousands of different environments.

Waste your money if you want, if you really have to see it, but I'd rather you learn from the money I already wasted doing the tests.


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Re: Cracked corn [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #19202671 - 11/28/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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IMO, the only grains worth using are rye, milo, millet and to a lesser extent wheat. As RR said, any cereal grain works but some are better than others.




Just curious what it is about wheat you like... to a lesser extent?

Also wonder how you prep millet?  My first try I only simmered for 10min and most of the grains exploded, after PC it was a mess.  Actually it still colonized and worked (black poplar) but was difficult to break up due to all the mush.


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