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cez

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The sublimality of music
#19200197 - 11/28/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was sitting watching my thoughts when I noticed I had a "thought loop" so to speak going on in my head.
I've been listening to rap lately for nostalgic value, and one rapper's verse starts with the line "bitch, shut the fuck up" The way he says it I think caught my mind but the fact it was being played in my mind brings me to this post....
I think there's obviously music that has conscious effects on us, but do you think music has any real effects in terms of unconscious programming?
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Re: The sublimality of music [Re: cez]
#19200227 - 11/28/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe, I dont know. I think this quite a lot actually and it seems very plausible. There's no way to know for sure because I don't know how to test to see, but I've heard some pretty subliminal and creepy stuff in music before..
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I'd imagine when certain frequencies are played or when a messaged is repeated over and over it can sink in and have an effect.
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Re: The sublimality of music [Re: cez]
#19200236 - 11/28/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: The sublimality of music [Re: WhoManBeing]
#19200941 - 11/28/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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discursive thinking (i.e. conversations in your head) is just one way of thinking. we also think in context of tableaux or scenes, and images and we also think in terms of music or rhythms and pitch. any and all of these modes of thinking can layer together. they are natural CONSCIOUS ways of thinking. there is no need to translate one to the other they are sufficient on their own in their own contexts.
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Anecdotally I can attest that music of a specific theme, when played for long periods (several weeks to months, maybe an hour to three hours a day)effected my mentality in several ways.
A Pandora station of the British 60-70s folk artist Nick Drake and.. Now that I think about it I listened to him exclusively for several weeks. The point is that he has a very somber style.. He plays the quitar masterfully in many different keys. He was a study in the dark complexity of a tortured youth. And that kind of starting bleeding over into my life. Not in major ways, but in the way I though.. Everything gained a coat of vivid poetry tainted with sadness. And it happened this way several different times, with different artists, with my inspirations and subtle mannerisms changing every few weeks.
Music can change people if they let it. And I'm sure we can find a scientific explanation tomorrow. Or a few theories.
interesting topic for a thread.
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Re: The sublimality of music [Re: Mungo man]
#19202987 - 11/28/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nick Drake 
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Re: The sublimality of music [Re: deCypher]
#19203506 - 11/29/13 03:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think if I were to listen to only that guy all day, I wouldn't want to be like you.
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Re: The sublimality of music [Re: cez]
#19203543 - 11/29/13 03:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cez said: I was sitting watching my thoughts when I noticed I had a "thought loop" so to speak going on in my head.
I've been listening to rap lately for nostalgic value, and one rapper's verse starts with the line "bitch, shut the fuck up" The way he says it I think caught my mind but the fact it was being played in my mind brings me to this post....
I think there's obviously music that has conscious effects on us, but do you think music has any real effects in terms of unconscious programming?
Recently I read an article on myths of the mind and a big one was that there's unconscious programming. The article said that in fact the unconscious doesn't program any faster than the conscious. Nor does it find backwards messages pick cues out of white noise, or hear satan telling one to buy poptarts. You probably noticed due first to the refrain being conscious, and second because you listened to same refrain many times.
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Re: The sublimality of music [Re: eve69]
#19203548 - 11/29/13 03:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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to op: it is possible to know people by their music taste often 
it often says something about the souls condition
I enjoy that one, trance is my thing right now, no time
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Re: The sublimality of music [Re: cez]
#19204700 - 11/29/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think sublimality is a real word.
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LunarEclipse said: I think if I were to listen to only that guy all day, I wouldn't want to be like you.
That video was a nonsensical nonsequitur, your non-answer nonwithstanding. 
At any rate, Nick Drake is awesome. A classic example of a perhaps too intelligent young man driven to depression, and ultimately suicide due to multiple factors like excessive marijuana use and social anxiety, yet still able to communicate his emotions and insights into the world around him via his music.
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Re: The sublimality of music [Re: deCypher] 1
#19207527 - 11/30/13 06:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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deCypher said: Nick Drake 
I like this guy too and have a great CD of his music.
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Re: The sublimality of music [Re: deCypher]
#19207796 - 11/30/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
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LunarEclipse said: I think if I were to listen to only that guy all day, I wouldn't want to be like you.
That video was a nonsensical nonsequitur, your non-answer nonwithstanding. 
At any rate, Nick Drake is awesome. A classic example of a perhaps too intelligent young man driven to depression, and ultimately suicide due to multiple factors like excessive marijuana use and social anxiety, yet still able to communicate his emotions and insights into the world around him via his music.
Quit blaming the herb, and now for poor Nick's problems. Man you people blaming the herb are starting to piss me off. Blah blah blah "excessive marijuana use" blah blah blah.
My point was that if you listened to Nick all day long, that yeah it might be a bummer. The dude is a downer that's all. Must have been all that herb brought the dude down.
Wonder if Bob Marley's death had anything to do with too much herb.
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I'm not exclusively blaming the herb for Nick Drake's death, but excessive marijuana usage can certainly cause people to introspectively withdraw from social contact at the exclusion of perhaps healthier activities.
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Braahh our average mind is like 10% conscious and 90% unconscious all of who we are today unravels to the beggining of time and our first interactions of people trends music etc. etc. So pretty much over longer time they have larger effects on us, when we were young we anyways looked up to certain things and people and tried to be like them which also shaped us too. Anyways theres so many things in life that are subliminal, we are just unconscious of it, unless you are like super aware and are like a monk and meditate like erryday brah, and have a complete clear mind where there is no background noise in your consciousness talking about fuckin bitches all day or whatever the fuck it may be, yeh it controls the world pretty much bro. IDGAF if you say otherwise to the last part its true
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Re: The sublimality of music [Re: Ryestals]
#19207869 - 11/30/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ryestals said: Braahh our average mind is like 10% conscious and 90% unconscious all of who we are today unravels to the beggining of time and our first interactions of people trends music etc. etc. So pretty much over longer time they have larger effects on us, when we were young we anyways looked up to certain things and people and tried to be like them which also shaped us too. Anyways theres so many things in life that are subliminal, we are just unconscious of it, unless you are like super aware and are like a monk and meditate like erryday brah, and have a complete clear mind where there is no background noise in your consciousness talking about fuckin bitches all day or whatever the fuck it may be, yeh it controls the world pretty much bro. IDGAF if you say otherwise to the last part its true
Also im not hating on music at all i fucking love it, im just saying there are subliminal things that vary on the affect on the person depending who it is, like drugs a different affect for errybody, but either way reeeal music is Awesomee.
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Re: The sublimality of music [Re: Diploid]
#19208005 - 11/30/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Diploid said: I don't think sublimality is a real word. 
No butt it's a reel word.
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