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WBS vs Rye Berries
    #19200453 - 11/28/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

WBS vs Rye Berries

This is just a simple journal entry to discuss WBS vs Rye Berries. I mostly did it to sort out my thoughts, but then decided to post it.

Cost:
Cost is based on a quart jar being 2/3 to 3/4 full of hydrated grain.

WBS

$8.69 for 20#. That's (.4345/lb) = (.027/oz).

1 dry quart weighs (23.3oz). I use 4 dry quarts for 1 monotub.

4*(23.3oz) = (93.2oz)
(93.2oz)*(.027/oz)=$2.52 per monotub

Rye Berries

$62.50 for 50#. That's (1.25/lb) = (.078/oz)

1 dry quart weighs (25.3oz). I use 2.5 dry quarts for 1 monotub

(2.5)*(25.3oz)=(63.25oz)
(63.25oz)*(.078/oz)= $4.93 per monotub

$2.52 per tub for WBS vs $3.16 per monotub for Rye.
WBS is 4.94-2.52= $2.42 cheaper per monotub than Rye.

Obviously, prices will vary depending on accessibility and/or brands. I am currently building a spread sheet that will make it easy to just punch in some numbers to make it easy to decide which is cheaper. PM me if you are interested.

Pros and Cons

WBS:

Pros
Cheaper
Does not require cooking, boiling, simmering, steam drying
Higher number of inoculation points, so maybe you can use less
Easy to find without special ordering

Cons
Small grains clog my colander and makes it a little more of PITA to wash afterwards
Requires more rinsing because it's filthy
Has more foreign debris
I've never seen organic WBS


Rye Berries

Pros
Doesn't clog my colander
Can obtain organic
Usually clean in 3 rinses

Cons
More expensive, especially organic
For best results, requires boiling and then steam drying
Has a noticeable smell when boiling, but not bad. Some people don't like it
Harder to find in some places and may require special ordering

These opinions and numbers are based on my personal experience where I live.

I just recently started WBS. I've always used Rye before. I think I'm becoming a convert.

What are some pros and cons I missed?


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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19200473 - 11/28/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i rather prep rye but its just cost so much :thumbdown: to wbs and they both do great no matter what soo :shrug:


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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: tripdawg420] * 1
    #19200483 - 11/28/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I get my rye waay cheaper than WBS. I'll stick with rye.

I love millet or milo but they are waay too pricy.


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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: bootster]
    #19200496 - 11/28/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i wish i could get rye cheaper


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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: tripdawg420]
    #19200537 - 11/28/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

how much of that weight do you lose from the wbs after the sunflour seeds and other crap, my pile is pretty big after a batch and almost makes the price the same:shrug:


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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: tripdawg420] * 1
    #19200558 - 11/28/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Luckily I only pay $40 for 50# of rye, and even though that's still more than WBS (though decent WBS is about $23 - $27 for 40# in my area) I find the easier prep worthwhile.

I would add the following to your lists. Rye IME hydrates faster usually 16 hour soak is more than sufficient, whereas I usually find the smaller grains like millet need longer.

I would say that WBS's extra nock points do help speed colonization times after a first shake, allowing masters to be shaken sooner 25% is usually good, where I need to wait for 35% with rye.

These are just things I noticed in general and nothing has been tested definitively with isolates. Maybe one day I will do some side by sides to find out for sure.


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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: cronicr]
    #19200765 - 11/28/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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how much of that weight do you lose from the wbs after the sunflour seeds and other crap, my pile is pretty big after a batch and almost makes the price the same:shrug:




My WBS locally is $14 for 40#.

Rye locally is a $35 for 40#.

I don't think I could possibly throw away 2/3 of the bag worth of seeds and crap :lol:


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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19200778 - 11/28/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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how much of that weight do you lose from the wbs after the sunflour seeds and other crap, my pile is pretty big after a batch and almost makes the price the same:shrug:




My WBS locally is $14 for 40#.

Rye locally is a $35 for 40#.

I don't think I could possibly throw away 2/3 of the bag worth of seeds and crap :lol:



:frown:
i pay more for my wbs and only 25 bux for my rye, i can find cheaper wbs but the last time the grains were shit so i'm now paying about 50 cents a pound:frown:


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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: cronicr]
    #19200782 - 11/28/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: cronicr]
    #19201035 - 11/28/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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how much of that weight do you lose from the wbs after the sunflour seeds and other crap, my pile is pretty big after a batch and almost makes the price the same:shrug:




It doesn't matter. A 20# bag is still a 20# bag and there is a finite number of quarts in it. No matter when I pick out the seeds, they still have to be figured in to the cost.

I end up having to scoop out 4 qts of WBS, then scoop out the seeds to get the same volume as rye.

Some brands may have more or less sunflower seeds.


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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: bootster]
    #19201159 - 11/28/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I get my rye waay cheaper than WBS. I'll stick with rye.



You get rye for less than 35 cents a pound?


Home Depot - $0.35 a pound.

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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: PussyFart]
    #19201511 - 11/28/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

One of the problems I've run into with wbs is its unpredictability. You can buy 2 bags of the same brand and one will be great and the other will be a bunch of sunflowers and twigs. Some bags are also full of those little white seeds that get all mashed up after you hydrate them and barely touch them


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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: Stromrider]
    #19201665 - 11/28/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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One of the problems I've run into with wbs is its unpredictability. You can buy 2 bags of the same brand and one will be great and the other will be a bunch of sunflowers and twigs. Some bags are also full of those little white seeds that get all mashed up after you hydrate them and barely touch them




I think you guys worry too much about this :lol:

I buy my 40# bags 10 at a time. Anything that can come out during the rinsing, does so.  Anything that remains has never caused me an issue :shrug:


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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19201693 - 11/28/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

WBS is cheaper and gets the job done, as far as sunflower seeds, the shrooms colonize them very quickly, and the oily seed makes them a good food source for the shrooms. Cased sunflower seed alone will grow decent shrooms.

The only advantage of rye is the consistency for big spawn to bulk projects and the relative ease of use.


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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: Stromrider]
    #19201720 - 11/28/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Some bags are also full of those little white seeds that get all mashed up after you hydrate them and barely touch them



You must mean Millet.... the best grain in birdseed.

It only happens to you because you're over-preparing them.  It's not entirely your fault though, the many different sizes of grains in "birdseed" mixes require different hydrating soak/boil times of course.
IMO this is one of birdseed's cons, which Spitball didn't list.


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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: Violet]
    #19201840 - 11/28/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You must mean Millet.... the best grain in birdseed.




I agree. I have a big bag of millet and sometimes I will soak and add some to my rye jars when I'm doing masters. I just prep it separate from my rye to keep it from exploding and get the moisture content right. Really helps speed the master and receiving jars up.


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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: Violet]
    #19201862 - 11/28/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That was one of the first cons I noticed. The little tiny ones turn to mush real easy.

I didn't list it because I quit cooking WBS. I just soak for about 20-24 hours and drain for a couple of hours.

They seem wet when they go in the jar, but seem perfect after sterilizing and shaking.

This turned a con in to a pro.

Like I said, I just started WBS, so I don't know how consistently the "no cook" method will work.


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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19201874 - 11/28/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't cook it. I just heat it long enough to get the water hot so the water will evaporate off better


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    #19201900 - 11/28/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Update to OP:

WBS Con
If simmering, the millet turns to mush real easy.

Rye Pro
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Re: WBS vs Rye Berries [Re: PussyFart]
    #19201904 - 11/28/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I get my rye waay cheaper than WBS. I'll stick with rye.



You get rye for less than 35 cents a pound?


Home Depot - $0.35 a pound.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Wagner-s-Farmer-s-Delight-40-lb-Wild-Bird-Food-53005/202564396#.UmndFfnWSaI




A 20 lb bag of WBS at wallyworld was $19.99
56 lbs of rye costs me $18. Two years ago it was $12 for the same 56 lb bag. It is 15 min. up the road to pick it up.


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