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Bitter Cactus
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OliverJames
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I haven't had the patience to go through this entire thread. But let me clear this up for myself. Are you saying Akira, that drugs can only exacerbate a predisposed mental disorder? That they cannot be the sole cause of one? That in no way can marijuana cause a problem, only make a preexisting one worse?
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akira_akuma
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as for Marijuana, it's yes to your question, but not certain drugs like Methampthetamines, Herion and Opiates(does not cause psychosis unless in major withdrawal and causes major addiction even within a couple tries; some would argue even a single try is inherently brain altering permanently though that's rather hard to believe.)
- certain SSRI's are deadly in withdrawal and are sometimes addictive and can cause hallucinations, and can exacerbate pre-eminent and mental conditions, (thought disorders, depersonalization psychosis, can exacerbate bi-polar symptoms [thought alternatively some SSrI's and Trycylic anti-Depressants are used especially for or off-label for bi-polar; sometimes counter-indicated by medicinal use :see Lithium])
- anti-anxiety drugs can cause severe withdrawals and possible death, as well as addiction and as with most depressants is in general dangerous.
- you wouldn't want eat or over-ingest/over-dose certain minerals, vitamins and metals; and anti-psychotic medicine general feels not so good, and is only used for people with usually bad or manageable mental health issues/crisis or severe schizophrenia patients.
i hope that was helpful. now if any one how has a sensible mind can see that i have pointed out plenty of drugs with these possible effects.
now i will point that MARIWANA is a possible contributor to stressors for...; and exacerbation of pre-eminent (as in intractable of genetic activation and from environmental streessors) mental CRISIS and SYMPTOMS.
if anyone experiences these symptoms to a degree, then i suggest they do NOT DO MARIJAUNA, as it may lead to complications of mental or even emotional (if you wanna go that far) strain, and furthermore, if the symptoms persist or they in effect critical affect your life, then you should seek medical attention for advice. unless you present as a danger to yourself or to others, or present with suicidal edition then you will not be detained on psychiatric watch or "committed"(you will need family to that, or yourself, or to a danger to yourself or the public)
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funny because it's true.
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Everlong]
#19199798 - 11/28/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Everlong said: Akira is obviously going through marijuana withdrawals.
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Endure
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akira_akuma said: as for Marijuana, it's yes to your question, but not certain drugs like Methampthetamines, Herion and Opiates(does not cause psychosis unless in major withdrawal and causes major addiction even within a couple tries; some would argue even a single try is inherently brain altering permanently though that's rather hard to believe.)
- certain SSRI's are deadly in withdrawal and are sometimes addictive and can cause hallucinations, and can exacerbate pre-eminent and mental conditions, (thought disorders, depersonalization psychosis, can exacerbate bi-polar symptoms [thought alternatively some SSrI's and Trycylic anti-Depressants are used especially for or off-label for bi-polar; sometimes counter-indicated by medicinal use :see Lithium])
- anti-anxiety drugs can cause severe withdrawals and possible death, as well as addiction and as with most depressants is in general dangerous.
- you wouldn't want eat or over-ingest/over-dose certain minerals, vitamins and metals; and anti-psychotic medicine general feels not so good, and is only used for people with usually bad or manageable mental health issues/crisis or severe schizophrenia patients.
i hope that was helpful. now if any one how has a sensible mind can see that i have pointed out plenty of drugs with these possible effects.
now i will point that MARIWANA is a possible contributor to stressors for...; and exacerbation of pre-eminent (as in intractable of genetic activation and from environmental streessors) mental CRISIS and SYMPTOMS.
if anyone experiences these symptoms to a degree, then i suggest they do NOT DO MARIJAUNA, as it may lead to complications of mental or even emotional (if you wanna go that far) strain, and furthermore, if the symptoms persist or they in effect critical affect your life, then you should seek medical attention for advice. unless you present as a danger to yourself or to others, or present with suicidal edition then you will not be detained on psychiatric watch or "committed"(you will need family to that, or yourself, or to a danger to yourself or the public)
[check your local laws and requirements on THE INTERNET,... and the doors in the back. chow.0]
lol, in actuality its really rare to die from withdrawals, but you will become depressed riddled with anxiety if your taking something like cymbalta and quit cold turkey, i know this from personal experience, same with mirtazapine (remeron) i dont think medication is the enemy in the slightest. i think some people really need them to get a different 'view' on life. certain views will keep you in a cell, wasting precious years/days of your life
i beg to differ on overdosing on vitamins/minerals, that would just come out of your urine.
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Endure]
#19200329 - 11/28/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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All the effects are direct, we just call some side effects cause they aren't marketed or used for that.
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: OddEye]
#19200357 - 11/28/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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fact: marijuana is safer than caffeine
/end argument
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praxadox
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akira_akuma said: yeah, but i was pissed off from another thread, and i just thought i'd nip this whole bullshit "Marijuana CAN BE BAD" slogan in the bud.
PS: and by pissed off i mean, "fuck that shit, it's time to put and end to this".
I feel you, friend. I've certainly been guilty of being over-zealous in my defense of the cannabis plant but as you said, such zeal is likely a result of the idiocy you face on the other side of the argument (those vehemently opposed).
I think much of your argument is an issue of semantics. I agree with you to that extent—too many people get wrapped up in terms like "drug", "withdrawal", and "addiction" to view things more objectively.
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Shroomism
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Bitter Cactus said: The marijuana high will pretty much always have an underlying feeling of anxiety, paranoia, and will cause minor delusions. Psychedelics do not have this underlying feeling, which is probably why schizophrenic people can handle them easier.
lol, what BS. Are you schizophrenic? Weed CAN have an underlying feeling of anxiety and paranoia (mostly exclusively in people doing it for the first couple times). But to say it will pretty much ALWAYS have them is total BS. Sorry. Tens of Millions of people smoke it every day without these effects.
Psychedelics (mushrooms especially) have a MUCH HIGHER capability to trigger anxiety and panic attacks and psychosis 1,000x more than marijuana. ESPECIALLY in people predisposed to those conditions. Have your schizophrenic friend eat 6 grams and get back to me.
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Bitter Cactus
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Shroomism]
#19201278 - 11/28/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not schizophrenic. Can you prove that 1000 times more than marijuana fact you stated?
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Edited by Bitter Cactus (11/28/13 03:30 PM)
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Konyap

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he tells the shroomery they'd get schizophrenia
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Shroomism]
#19201341 - 11/28/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroomism said:
lol, what BS. Are you schizophrenic? Weed CAN have an underlying feeling of anxiety and paranoia (mostly exclusively in people doing it for the first couple times). But to say it will pretty much ALWAYS have them is total BS. Sorry. Tens of Millions of people smoke it every day without these effects.
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Psychedelics (mushrooms especially) have a MUCH HIGHER capability to trigger anxiety and panic attacks and psychosis 1,000x more than marijuana. ESPECIALLY in people predisposed to those conditions. Have your schizophrenic friend eat 6 grams and get back to me.
you lost me, ime , im afraid to take any pot at all, but mushrooms dont phase me, and im starting to wonder if acid only tripped me up because ive only taken it when i use to smoke pot
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Bitter Cactus
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: hidenseek1]
#19201346 - 11/28/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mushrooms can make you gay and can certainly make you schizophrenic. Marijuana can make you schizophrenic.
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Konyap

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I think the reason people get schizophrenia is because other drugs that shall remain nameless, hardwire your brain differently after you've taken them, you brain pretty much can't get that sensation unless it gets more and when you get more you will also hardwire it more to feel better about doing it.
mushrooms yeah you will display schizo symptoms but when you come down you actually won't have it, most people get hppd and like everyone said there would need to be a source from that and from what they can tell, people who have taken mushrooms arent anymore crazy then people who don't
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Konyap

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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Konyap]
#19201400 - 11/28/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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but yeah cutting off oxygen to your brain is never good
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Bitter Cactus
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Konyap]
#19201415 - 11/28/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Marijuana gave me HPPD before ever trying a psychedelic. Like when I closed my eyes I saw neon dots and shit when I was heavy into it that never went away and only got worse with the shroom.
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Konyap

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Yeah i think the thing to take into consideration too
is a lot of these mental disorders are superficial
to understand something psuedo like that, it'd take like 100 years of microscopic brain research and garbage trucks full of burning dollars
lets face it, the reason we can't tack mushrooms to that stuff is because it can sometimes be environmental
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Bitter Cactus
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Konyap]
#19201483 - 11/28/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I do think that labelling mental illnesses based off of a list of symptoms is wrong. You can often take one mental disorder and classify it many different ways. ADHD is bullshit and I think depression isn't a chemical imbalance in your serotonin levels that is fixed with an SSRI. I don't necessarily think that having excess dopamine theory about schizophrenia is true because then antipsychotics would cure all the symptoms. I think we are only just learning how to treat these disorders and the causes and we should be taking a different approach.
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