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Resurrection of the dead
    #19157976 - 11/19/13 01:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_of_the_dead

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Resurrection of the Dead is a common component of a number of eschatologies, most commonly in Christian, Islamic, Jewish and Zoroastrian eschatology. The phrase refers to a specific event in the future — multiple prophecies in the histories of these religions assert that the dead will be brought back to life at some point in the future.




How, how can something like this be possible?

Well :strokebeard:, i can let you in on a secret: Tovarich Stalin in his time constructed a multidimensional centrifuge. What it does, a persons soul shows up and gets sucked/jumps into the centrifuge, it gives you a subtle energy body, and then you birth a real 3d human body from it.

This piece of technology is reserved for the coming Age of Light.

Mind you not all souls in heaven will get a chance to birth again into the world, only who made a name of themselves, like Beethoven and Vang Goch and others :eek::stoned:


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Re: Resurrection of the dead [Re: desant]
    #19158115 - 11/19/13 02:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Resurrection of the dead [Re: desant]
    #19168209 - 11/21/13 12:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I, along with many Gnostics, do not interpret Resurrection as an event that occurs in time, a historical event. It is, as Eckhart Tolle has taught, the End of Time, when one's true nature is Realized as BEING, and when we awaken from the illusion of what we believe ourselves to be. Biblical religions and other historical religions depict spiritual realities in story form. In Hebrew these narratives are called midrash. The oldest and most authentic Christian writings included in the Bible are Paul's letters (not all of them are authentic, some epistles are forgeries), but Paul never speaks of Resurrection like the much later gospel narratives did. Paul wrote only of his own experiences with a Resurrected Christ which he experienced in light and sound (word, Logos). The 4 gospels depicted the spiritual movements of Birth, Life, Passion, Suffering, Death, Resurrection, and Ascension in terms of stories that are essentially Egyptian spiritual moments depicted as historical events. The gospels were non-philosophical public relations pieces for the most non-literate, unsophisticated people of two millennia ago. Philosophers read these things and saw them as the same themes that existed everywhere in the Middle East under other names and guises. Today, the unsophisticated, concrete-minded people still misinterpret these myths in the most literal materialist manner, which is a function of their own Concrete Operational Thinking (see Jean Piaget's work. Mature adults develop Formal Operational Thinking) and can see the midrash, mythology, metaphor, and metaphysics for the subtle writings that they are. Learn this and you won't have to throw the baby Jesus out with the bathwater. Faith and reason are reconcilable when one unlearns the millennia-old mainstream orthodox religious propaganda.


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Re: Resurrection of the dead [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19168474 - 11/21/13 02:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I absolutely love reading your insights Markos. You are a true gentleman and scholar. Although I have to admit a lot of what you say makes me feel quite ignorant :lol:


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Re: Resurrection of the dead [Re: Stromrider]
    #19175623 - 11/22/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well thanks for the compliment, and sorry if I hit some kind of nerve. It might be better if you considered me to be a frustrated professor (I have been an adjunct professor at times) without the venue of a university to pontificate at. I read and contemplate a lot, but then again I have no family or local friends. I have lived the a life of a contemplative and researcher, and I'm 60 years old for crying out loud. I'm 35 years post-seminary and 30 years post-doctoral graduate. I have no agenda to convert or coerce, but I like to share my own insights with those who might benefit from my perspective. I have endeavored to become the kind of person that I would've liked to have met and been mentored by in my younger years. :shrug:


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Re: Resurrection of the dead [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19175683 - 11/22/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well we sure appreciate you here in Shroomery S&M
Keep doing what you do.


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Re: Resurrection of the dead [Re: Stromrider]
    #19183673 - 11/24/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well, thanks again for the appreciation, but I can tell you from my experience that you are not speaking for everyone. :lol: There are a number of 'Houdinis' here, and I don't mean escape artists. Harry Houdini was inordinately attached to his mother, and avidly sought all kinds of psychics to help him contact her after her death. What happened was that he discovered multitudes of charlatans who preyed upon the grief of people. Houdini became the prototype for James 'The Amazing' Randi to emulate to this day. People who have been deceived and betrayed by whatever spirituality they allowed themselves to surrender to, end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and pushing anything that transcends their senses and reason out of their lives. They end up suffering from 'metaphysical malnutrition.'

Even atheists have an unconscious spirituality, because the unconscious harbors the diametrical opposite to one's conscious attitude. Saul of Tarsus was virulently anti-Christian, even participating in the stoning to death of [Saint] Stephen (the patron saint of the Grateful Dead). Then, as his contrary attitude erupted from his unconscious, he had mind-blowing experiences on the road to Damascus (Acts 22:6-11), or out-of-body experiences (2 Corinthians 12:2). Here, the professedly 'scientifically' minded individuals, who are anything but scientific in their curiosity or open-mindedness, not to mention their utter deficiency of imagination, have found some level of comfort in materialism and a 19th century Positivism (a la Auguste Comte) that they believe best defines reality. Those people do NOT appreciate me at The Shroomery. :shrug: But, it's always nice to read a kind word. :cheers:


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Re: Resurrection of the dead [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19184054 - 11/24/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

As you probably already know I'm struggling with my own spirituality and trying to find my path right now. I grew up in Christianity and like you say I now feel deceived by it. I don't want to become a "Houdini" so I am trying to stay open minded while I find my way on this spiritual journey. I'm hoping people like you can help me on my journey


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Re: Resurrection of the dead [Re: Stromrider]
    #19184260 - 11/24/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I smell something burning. Did Jesus sell you something? I got this shit from him once and Man, it was the Second Coming all over (Her). Worth the cnote, y'ask me.

But for realz now. They make Viagra, you know. And you know how people always start low. Well someday they'll make Viagra for the soul, you know?  Then it'll be like gaining angel's wings.... for about 4 hours. They'll be like. If your wings get swollen or last longer than four hours please call your doctor.

First thing people will do as angels is fly-by shootings. Packs of well to-do angels will bully poor little demons. Look at those little claws. Dig demon, dig! Dig back to Satan. Dig faster for your life.  Dig dig dig like you dig it.

Dig demon
Dig demon
Dig demon
Dig demon
Dig demon
Dig demon

Oh shit, I smell something burning.  That shit from Jaysus is something


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Re: Resurrection of the dead [Re: eve69]
    #19184574 - 11/24/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Eve you're fucking crazy :crazy:


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Re: Resurrection of the dead [Re: Stromrider]
    #19185050 - 11/24/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Resurrection of the dead [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19185461 - 11/25/13 04:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Dammit Markos you made me cry! Sorry about your friend. I hope my best friend Jake out lives me


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Re: Resurrection of the dead [Re: Stromrider]
    #19199163 - 11/28/13 02:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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As you probably already know I'm struggling with my own spirituality and trying to find my path right now. I grew up in Christianity and like you say I now feel deceived by it. I don't want to become a "Houdini" so I am trying to stay open minded while I find my way on this spiritual journey. I'm hoping people like you can help me on my journey




Christianity is a valid spiritual path, but I recommend studying another religion along side of it for perspective. For me, studying other religions like Buddhism and Hinduism were integral in helping me understand mistakes and misinterpretations I had been making in my practice of Christianity.


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Re: Resurrection of the dead [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19199264 - 11/28/13 03:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think Markos is one of the most enlightened posters on the shroomery. Most of the disagreements I have with him have been a result of his understanding and knowledge being vastly superior to my own.

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Well, thanks again for the appreciation, but I can tell you from my experience that you are not speaking for everyone. :lol: There are a number of 'Houdinis' here, and I don't mean escape artists. Harry Houdini was inordinately attached to his mother, and avidly sought all kinds of psychics to help him contact her after her death. What happened was that he discovered multitudes of charlatans who preyed upon the grief of people. Houdini became the prototype for James 'The Amazing' Randi to emulate to this day. People who have been deceived and betrayed by whatever spirituality they allowed themselves to surrender to, end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and pushing anything that transcends their senses and reason out of their lives. They end up suffering from 'metaphysical malnutrition.'

Even atheists have an unconscious spirituality, because the unconscious harbors the diametrical opposite to one's conscious attitude. Saul of Tarsus was virulently anti-Christian, even participating in the stoning to death of [Saint] Stephen (the patron saint of the Grateful Dead). Then, as his contrary attitude erupted from his unconscious, he had mind-blowing experiences on the road to Damascus (Acts 22:6-11), or out-of-body experiences (2 Corinthians 12:2). Here, the professedly 'scientifically' minded individuals, who are anything but scientific in their curiosity or open-mindedness, not to mention their utter deficiency of imagination, have found some level of comfort in materialism and a 19th century Positivism (a la Auguste Comte) that they believe best defines reality. Those people do NOT appreciate me at The Shroomery. :shrug: But, it's always nice to read a kind word. :cheers:




Are there other threads where you comment more on atheists and the atheist materialistc mindset? I would be interested to hear more of your thoughts. I completely agree that atheists are lacking in imagination. I cant tell you how many times I have seen atheists argue something along the lines of because they cant understand how [insert spiritual phenomena] works, it can't be real. They will literally begin arguments with "I don't see how...." as if their own inability to see something proves them right. Anyway, markos you seem to mostly comment on religion and how it is often misunderstood. Is that because you regard dialoguing with atheists as largely a futile endeavor?


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Re: Resurrection of the dead [Re: Deviate]
    #19201099 - 11/28/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for your interest Deviate, but you'll have to use the search function provided on this site (a nice app). I've been posting here since 1999, and I honestly can't remember posts specifically on atheists. Atheism is an odd term. I'm not a 'theist,' strictly speaking, but neither are Buddhists, yet Buddhists do recognize Nirvana as a transcendental condition that one enters into consciously. Atheists seem to be materialists who focus on the impossibility of an Eternal condition that one recognizes in mystical experience or at the point of death. Whereas mystical experience can impart a glimpse of such an Eternal condition, the atheist-materialist can only rely on reason and its relationship with sensory data, plus his belief in the purely reductionistic view that consciousness is 'produced by' the nervous system. Thus, with the degradation of the nervous system, consciousness ceases to exist. Of course even the non-ordinary forms of consciousness like out-of-the-body experiences usually do not occur to atheists, or else their faith in reason and the senses would be shaken to its roots. No, trapped in an essentially materialistic world-view, the materialist often embraces a 19th century version of scientific positivism. Despite the most profound discoveries of 21st century quantum physics which has learned that observation of quanta has an effect on its paradoxical wave-particle manifestations, and hence that consciousness is part of the gestalt of experimentation, atheists feel safe in 'the box' of their unimaginative little world views. They don't even see that yesteryear's science-fiction imagination (e.g., Jules Verne) could actually manifest in space-time at another point. Whether such appearances are precognitive or causal in some Rupert Sheldrakian 'morphic' sensibility,"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy," as The bard said in Act I, scene 5 of Hamlet.


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Re: Resurrection of the dead [Re: Deviate]
    #19201267 - 11/28/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I completely agree that atheists are lacking in imagination.




Just because we aren't imagining a god doesn't mean we don't use our imagination.


Edited by White Beard (11/28/13 03:32 PM)


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Re: Resurrection of the dead [Re: White Beard]
    #19201316 - 11/28/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

actually, that's a lie. I occasionally imagine the stories of god that people and cultures have put forth, but I never accept them.


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Re: Resurrection of the dead [Re: White Beard]
    #19201379 - 11/28/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Deviate said:
I completely agree that atheists are lacking in imagination.




Just because we aren't imagining a god doesn't mean we don't use our imagination.




The problem with the religious and imagination imo is they often have an overactive imagination and whatever they do imagine they imagine to be correct based solely on how comfortable it makes them feel. They lack courage imo.


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Re: Resurrection of the dead [Re: Icelander]
    #19201794 - 11/28/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Imagination is really useful in science. Except scientists will hold up what they imagine to reality by experimentation. religions and a lot of philosophies wont get much further than the imagination step and call that the truth, because as you say, it 'feels right'. If imagining is all you want to do, may as well become a fiction writer, play write, musician, or similar profession.


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Re: Resurrection of the dead [Re: Icelander]
    #19201894 - 11/28/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Much if not most religion seems to be based on the 'Feeling Function,' which reflects the multitude's general bias in life, as well as a general lack of critical thinking. That is why constitutionally, I could never get into any of that Bhakti Yoga, Krishna Consciousness, or for that  matter, Christian hymn-singing/praising stuff. Forgetaboudit. Religion for me has always been about peeling away movement, sensations, feeling, thoughts, and finally the 'I' thought until bare attention alone remains. But this is the 'Intuitive Function' that remains after the 'Thinking Function' has done its reductive work of 'peeling.' One Intuits Emptiness/Fullness, the Void/Pleroma, it is not Sensed, Felt, or Thought.


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