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DMT is not a drug
#19201143 - 11/28/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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"DMT is not a drug, it is an extraterrestrial communications device. These are creatures somewhere in the universe who are so different from us that they come to us not in starships the size of Manhattan, but in drug molecules that are dinky. So we are in contact here with some kind of extraterrestrial technology and these are true aliens. There is a parallel universe, unsuspected by most human beings. It's right here all the time. It's inhabited, these beings have their own spheres and problems and so forth." - Terence McKenna
This may be what humans are bound to evolve to, beings of pure energy. And I do agree with Terence, DMT is an extraterrestrial technology and communication device. THe elves are real. They are as real as we are.
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Re: DMT is not a drug [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19201184 - 11/28/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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you're high dude, dmt visions come from your imagination. WE are the hyperdimentional aliens.
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I'll have what he's having!
I'm with you on our eventual eveloution to a state of pure energy though. That's basically what happens when we die anyway. We become energy for plants and animals, who will in turn die and be consumed as energy by other organisms. One way or another we will live for ever.
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I suppose that we are. I consider the human being to be organized in some way that perceives in 3 dimensions but capable of much more. And there are some other extraterrestrials out there in the parallel dimension that use DMT as the communication technology. The pineal gland is an interdimensional radio and DMT is the electricity.
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It's just mind manifesting, not dumbass evolution into a superior species as the result of psychedelics, that's retarded
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MagicalOrangutan said: It's just mind manifesting, not dumbass evolution into a superior species as the result of psychedelics, that's retarded
But the mind does manifest everything. We are each like king Midas who turns everything to gold but we can't see the universe because every time we look at it it turns to matter. Did you know matter only exists when it's observed? The rest of the time its only a possibility in the quantum field.
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Re: DMT is not a drug [Re: Ellis Dee]
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We just can't ever determine it's exact position; the quantum observer effect guarantees it. We can't know a particles exact mass, velocity or position at any moment. I fail to see how that relates to your other points lol
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Re: DMT is not a drug [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19201321 - 11/28/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wizard Dee.. I would have you know that everything is relative. That the universe is both materealistic and immaterealistic at the same time, the difference between energy; a manifestation of the feeling or the feeling, a manifestation of energy... almightyness and helplessness... That everything is true just as it is wrong, being the reason why a psycadellica both can turn a cristian an atheist and an atheist a cristian to bring forth an example.. and why I find amusement in debating with people as all their beliefs might be turned up-side down..
Even so... the words you preach hold a wise truth and had I a hat, it wou,d no longer be on top of my head... but that might be, too, because I lie in bed.
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Re: DMT is not a drug [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19201338 - 11/28/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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MagicalOrangutan said: It's just mind manifesting, not dumbass evolution into a superior species as the result of psychedelics, that's retarded
But the mind does manifest everything. We are each like king Midas who turns everything to gold but we can't see the universe because every time we look at it it turns to matter. Did you know matter only exists when it's observed? The rest of the time its only a possibility in the quantum field.
Didn't you mention that the other day?
Remember, eating a bowl of cereal, leaving the bowl on the kitchen counter to see if it still exists later?
Reality is reality whether one chooses to observe it or not.
A tree in the woods is still a tree in the woods when nobody is around. Unless...

But it doesn't cease to exist.
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And regarding DMT, aliens and brain radios, I believe in the power of the human mind too but I think you might be pushing the envelope a little too far, with this.
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Re: DMT is not a drug [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19201486 - 11/28/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: "DMT is not a drug, it is an extraterrestrial communications device. These are creatures somewhere in the universe who are so different from us that they come to us not in starships the size of Manhattan, but in drug molecules that are dinky. So we are in contact here with some kind of extraterrestrial technology and these are true aliens. There is a parallel universe, unsuspected by most human beings. It's right here all the time. It's inhabited, these beings have their own spheres and problems and so forth." - Terence McKenna
This may be what humans are bound to evolve to, beings of pure energy. And I do agree with Terence, DMT is an extraterrestrial technology and communication device. THe elves are real. They are as real as we are.
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Give up your search for enlightenment... release your burden, and see yourself worthy of what you have had all along.
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Into The Woods said: And regarding DMT, aliens and brain radios, I believe in the power of the human mind too but I think you might be pushing the envelope a little too far, with this. 
I think I'm being conservative. The pineal gland is the third eye. It focuses the light and information from other dimensions. As we tune the pineal radio we pick up other frequencies as clearly as this frequency we are tuned to daily. The other frequencies are dimensions and they are just like this one but with a different experiential experience for each dimension.
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Re: DMT is not a drug [Re: Icyus]
#19201532 - 11/28/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Terrance McKenna is awesome even if you disagree with his standpoint he makes such a heartfelt, educated, compelling argument you want to believe. I listened to about 3 hours of his lectures last night and was truly inspired and learned A lot about the evolution process and loved his concept of the Ego being a cysts that grow in the absence of hallucinogens
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Re: DMT is not a drug [Re: Ellis Dee] 3
#19201543 - 11/28/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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DMT is a drug that allows your brain to observe extra dimensions of space-time, namely you inner mind. Sometimes you can see beyond that, but be careful what you wish for...
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Re: DMT is not a drug [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19201552 - 11/28/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry, but I just think that's it's all a bit much.
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You listened to 3 hours of Mckenna, but what you posted here makes him and you look like fools. That quote might make more sense when you combine it with Mckennas entire speech about ET's, other dimentions, DMT, pschedelics, life and death etc where he rationalized and breaks down in great detail these kinds of ideas but you can't honestly just come out and say DMT is an et communication device and expect not to sound like a loon.
On another note, I still have yet to explore DMT and can't wait for the opportunity. I've listened to more Mckenna than I care to admit.
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That's just the thing it was an hour long lecture that tied everything together but I was not about to type it out. It's hard to pick out lines that are particularly great, without posting a good portion of the lecture
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Re: DMT is not a drug [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19201880 - 11/28/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: "DMT is not a drug, it is an extraterrestrial communications device. These are creatures somewhere in the universe who are so different from us that they come to us not in starships the size of Manhattan, but in drug molecules that are dinky. So we are in contact here with some kind of extraterrestrial technology and these are true aliens. There is a parallel universe, unsuspected by most human beings. It's right here all the time. It's inhabited, these beings have their own spheres and problems and so forth." - Terence McKenna
This may be what humans are bound to evolve to, beings of pure energy. And I do agree with Terence, DMT is an extraterrestrial technology and communication device. THe elves are real. They are as real as we are.
Uhhh...
I'm all for the psychedelic experience but this sounds like some bullllllllshit. DMT is a drug. DMT isn't an alien...
Taking it a bit too far IMO
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MagicalOrangutan said: It's just mind manifesting, not dumbass evolution into a superior species as the result of psychedelics, that's retarded
Never said anything about it being related to psychedelics.
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Re: DMT is not a drug [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19202543 - 11/28/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: "DMT is not a drug, it is an extraterrestrial communications device. These are creatures somewhere in the universe who are so different from us that they come to us not in starships the size of Manhattan, but in drug molecules that are dinky. So we are in contact here with some kind of extraterrestrial technology and these are true aliens. There is a parallel universe, unsuspected by most human beings. It's right here all the time. It's inhabited, these beings have their own spheres and problems and so forth." - Terence McKenna
This may be what humans are bound to evolve to, beings of pure energy. And I do agree with Terence, DMT is an extraterrestrial technology and communication device. THe elves are real. They are as real as we are.
If somebody owed you money, I would say PAY THE MAN!! upon reading this. Couldn't agree more.
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Well regardless of whatever "reality" it is unto itself...To the people who have really gone deep over and over again, the idea that somehow human consciousness is contacting non-local quantum information, or other dimensional levels of reality, or [insert arbitrary linguistic model here], seems fairly plausible if not even compelling. Those who haven't usually just assume its all in your head, or all of your imagination. I tend to lean towards the idea that the imagination itself is so bizarre once you really plunge into it that it can't be accounted for unless its tapping into some kind of non-local field of information.
But then again I'm a nutcase who has done a lot of dmt and ayahuasca. Believe nothing, question everything.
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Re: DMT is not a drug [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Whatever you believe about the reality of DMT Hyperspace, it doesn't change the fact that while you're there in that incredibly bizarre universe with those alien beings, it seems completely real at the time, and it does every time you do it. Even if the entities are a manifestation of your own mind, to me that's just as fascinating as the theory that they're autonomous beings living in a free-standing ever-present universe. If our minds can produce such elaborate and unimaginable visions, then there is A LOT more we have to uncover about the power of the human mind.
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Re: DMT is not a drug [Re: Space Elf]
#19202590 - 11/28/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Couldn't agree more, spaceelf. I feel like its our mission to figure out infinity, even though its impossible to figure it out. You can only feel it out. The never-ending pool of knowledge begins at that point.
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Re: DMT is not a drug [Re: Space Elf]
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Space Elf said: Whatever you believe about the reality of DMT Hyperspace, it doesn't change the fact that while you're there in that incredibly bizarre universe with those alien beings, it seems completely real at the time, and it does every time you do it. Even if the entities are a manifestation of your own mind, to me that's just as fascinating as the theory that they're autonomous beings living in a free-standing ever-present universe. If our minds can produce such elaborate and unimaginable visions, then there is A LOT more we have to uncover about the power of the human mind.
Yup! Dennis McKenna went into great elaboration on this exact point in his book the brotherhood of the screaming abyss. I couldn't agree more.
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Ellis Dee said: "DMT is not a drug, it is an extraterrestrial communications device. These are creatures somewhere in the universe who are so different from us that they come to us not in starships the size of Manhattan, but in drug molecules that are dinky. So we are in contact here with some kind of extraterrestrial technology and these are true aliens. There is a parallel universe, unsuspected by most human beings. It's right here all the time. It's inhabited, these beings have their own spheres and problems and so forth." - Terence McKenna
This may be what humans are bound to evolve to, beings of pure energy. And I do agree with Terence, DMT is an extraterrestrial technology and communication device. THe elves are real. They are as real as we are.
Uhhh...
I'm all for the psychedelic experience but this sounds like some bullllllllshit. DMT is a drug. DMT isn't an alien...
Taking it a bit too far IMO
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DMT is a psychoactive, duh.
McKenna assumes too much. He may be right but I doubt it. He just assumes he's got it all figured out and no one does really. Sure he's tripped more than anyone but what's that tell you? Hes either got it figured out or he's just another burnt out hippie with a silver tongue.
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Ellis Dee said: "DMT is not a drug, it is an extraterrestrial communications device. These are creatures somewhere in the universe who are so different from us that they come to us not in starships the size of Manhattan, but in drug molecules that are dinky. So we are in contact here with some kind of extraterrestrial technology and these are true aliens. There is a parallel universe, unsuspected by most human beings. It's right here all the time. It's inhabited, these beings have their own spheres and problems and so forth." - Terence McKenna
This may be what humans are bound to evolve to, beings of pure energy. And I do agree with Terence, DMT is an extraterrestrial technology and communication device. THe elves are real. They are as real as we are.
Uhhh...
I'm all for the psychedelic experience but this sounds like some bullllllllshit. DMT is a drug. DMT isn't an alien...
Taking it a bit too far IMO

DMT made you the alien.
bill
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Re: DMT is not a drug [Re: GreySatyr] 1
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He has even said himself that he doesn't know it's correct, it's just his theory upon. He doesn't expect people to believe his theories but rather get you thinking about the POSSIBLE ramifications of the theories. Also he has never said he's had the most drugs out of anyone, I'm not sure where you got that.
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Oh, I'm sorry, praise Mckenna OHHHMMM.
No, Mckenna is a genius but genius' make bigger mistakes than idiots. Yeah, okay he spouted his theories like they were truth then said they may not be true. Blah blah blah. He stated that he's probably tripped more than most people and he's right, he's tripped more than most of us ever dream of tripping. McKenna is awesome, period but he's it some outlandish theories that may or may not be true, period. Maybe in fifty years he will be looked at as some sort of God that was the first to contact aliens but ya know, maybe he's just a pipe dreamer like most of us. His ideas are comparable to Alice in wonderland, it's designed to make you think and it's perfectly executed. He was a great man but he was also out of his mind.
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Re: DMT is not a drug [Re: GreySatyr]
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GreyMorph said: DMT is a psychoactive, duh.
McKenna assumes too much. He may be right but I doubt it. He just assumes he's got it all figured out and no one does really. Sure he's tripped more than anyone but what's that tell you? Hes either got it figured out or he's just another burnt out hippie with a silver tongue.
You clearly don't know much about Terence or what he was saying, no offence
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Re: DMT is not a drug [Re: GreySatyr]
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GreyMorph said: Oh, I'm sorry, praise Mckenna OHHHMMM.
No, Mckenna is a genius but genius' make bigger mistakes than idiots. Yeah, okay he spouted his theories like they were truth then said they may not be true. Blah blah blah. He stated that he's probably tripped more than most people and he's right, he's tripped more than most of us ever dream of tripping. McKenna is awesome, period but he's it some outlandish theories that may or may not be true, period. Maybe in fifty years he will be looked at as some sort of God that was the first to contact aliens but ya know, maybe he's just a pipe dreamer like most of us. His ideas are comparable to Alice in wonderland, it's designed to make you think and it's perfectly executed. He was a great man but he was also out of his mind.
Completely Agreed
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GreyMorph said: DMT is a psychoactive, duh.
McKenna assumes too much. He may be right but I doubt it. He just assumes he's got it all figured out and no one does really. Sure he's tripped more than anyone but what's that tell you? Hes either got it figured out or he's just another burnt out hippie with a silver tongue.
You clearly don't know much about Terence or what he was saying, no offence
I don't think Terence knew what he, himself was saying, no offense. He proposed ludicrous ideas that may or may not hold water. Dude, I've been in the same realm as Mckenna, I've seen it. I've lived it. Hyperspace is just another fundamentally altered dimension that has its own rules that may or may not be changed to directly alter this reality or not whether the traveller chooses to do so or not. It's impossible to understand McKenna with anything other than the open mind and the experience that comes with it. In the end, there is no end.
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Re: DMT is not a drug [Re: GreySatyr]
#19203676 - 11/29/13 05:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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GreyMorph said:Dude, I've been in the same realm as Mckenna, I've seen it. I've lived it. Hyperspace is just another fundamentally altered dimension that has its own rules that may or may not be changed to directly alter this reality or not whether the traveller chooses to do so or not. It's impossible to understand McKenna with anything other than the open mind and the experience that comes with it. In the end, there is no end.
That is exactly right. Well said!
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I feel like this saying is true with psychedelics but the aliens are "animals" it's like while tripping our bodies emit actual vibes and it's like "animals" can feel this and understand us "humans" for once. Like when I'm not tripping the birds fly away but when I'm tripping I connect with nature it's like the birds take a couple steps closer to me to understand me by feeling my vibes.
Don't know if that's true but I believe vibes are real it's like waves of energy our body emits.
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Re: DMT is not a drug [Re: aler]
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aler said: I feel like this saying is true with psychedelics but the aliens are "animals" it's like while tripping our bodies emit actual vibes and it's like "animals" can feel this and understand us "humans" for once. Like when I'm not tripping the birds fly away but when I'm tripping I connect with nature it's like the birds take a couple steps closer to me to understand me by feeling my vibes.
Don't know if that's true but I believe vibes are real it's like waves of energy our body emits.
Honorable.
-------------------- And thus begins the reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.
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