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FDA want to ban trans fats completely.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew] 3
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i think they should get their nose out of my dinner plate.
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Does anyone notice that all the Moonbats who showed up on the survey as 'non-authoritarian liberals' will be the first ones to jump on these kinds of authoritarian, dictitorial type policies and support them?
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I don't have to worry, we eat very little processed food and grow most of what we eat. Have all the Trans Fats you want.
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i don't eat it either but the FDA should not be telling people what they are allowed or not allowed to eat.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
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well its not telling us what we can and cannot eat its just that restaurants cannot serve them to us the same way they can't sprinkle mercury on our food. i think its perfectly fine for instance does anyone complain that restaurants have to keep their food at a certain temperature or that food manufacturers can't have certain amounts of mercury or lead in their food?
no, no one does so why should something that causes cell membrane damage be any different? the only reason they use it instead of canola or non hydrogenated oils is because it cheaper (not counting fully hydrogenated which has saturated instead of trans fats)
they tried to not ban it and make companies legally obligated to list it but they found loopholes to fuck over the consumers so they had no choice but to ban it, for instance serving sizes got smaller so the trans fats were under .5 grams per serving so they could legally claim 0 grams trans fats even though no one in the world eats 1/5 of a mini chip bag
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew] 1
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lonelyjew said: well its not telling us what we can and cannot eat its just that restaurants cannot serve them to us the same way they can't sprinkle mercury on our food. i think its perfectly fine for instance does anyone complain that restaurants have to keep their food at a certain temperature or that food manufacturers can't have certain amounts of mercury or lead in their food?
no, no one does so why should something that causes cell membrane damage be any different? the only reason they use it instead of canola or non hydrogenated oils is because it cheaper (not counting fully hydrogenated which has saturated instead of trans fats)
they tried to not ban it and make companies legally obligated to list it but they found loopholes to fuck over the consumers so they had no choice but to ban it, for instance serving sizes got smaller so the trans fats were under .5 grams per serving so they could legally claim 0 grams trans fats even though no one in the world eats 1/5 of a mini chip bag
Only a moonbat would claim to be for a free government yet want the authoritarian hand of Big Brother up the people's ass with a microscope 24-7. LET FUCKING PEOPLE DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
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Only a moonbat would claim to be for a free government yet want the authoritarian hand of Big Brother up the people's ass with a microscope 24-7. LET FUCKING PEOPLE DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES.
right so you are fine with restaurants being allowed to cook meats at whatever temperature they want and not have to tell anyone about it? are you fine with water bottle companies not testing the water for lead? are you fine with lead paint and kids toys with lead parts?
and its not big brother its the American citizens tired of being lied to and fed a toxin regularly there isn't any study that exists that suggests even remotely that trans fats aren't harmful so we are finally doing something about it, the reason they are banning it is because thousands of doctors and other american citizens have spoken up about it you don't see people demanding they keep trans fats so the government is listening to the people.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew] 1
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Only a moonbat would claim to be for a free government yet want the authoritarian hand of Big Brother up the people's ass with a microscope 24-7. LET FUCKING PEOPLE DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES.
right so you are fine with restaurants being allowed to cook meats at whatever temperature they want and not have to tell anyone about it?
yes I am. Why? BECAUSE NO BUSINESS OR RESTERAUNT HAS ANY VESTED interest in doing something that will harm the consumer. It's bad for business and they will get their ass sued.
Do you honestly think some cook in a resteraunt thinks, 'he he, lets undercook the meat so people get sick snicker snicker'
Of course they don't.
What is it about Moonbats that they think that everyone except the government is too stupid to think?
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
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alright first of all who would someone sure them it would be legal correct?
second they already do use harmful things such as trans fats that cause cell membrane damage, and no it doesn't hurt there business because none of the other business care enough to take them out either, because its cheaper and the people who are poor and can't afford quality food are forced to eat the shitty trans fat food.
and since when are the private citizens (doctors and everyone else) the government? the private citizens demannded change and they got it, they tried to force companie to atleast label them and they pulled every loop hole they could so now foods say "0g trans fat" even though some of them have partially hydrogenated oil as the second ingredient. so then the citizens wanted it banned because its just flat out poision the government listened and decided they would ban it.
do you think the government sits around thinking "hmmmm lets take away their rights by forcing billion dollar companies to take the toxic stuff out of their food muahahahahahahaha!!"
again the same thing would apply whats the difference between making them take out the toxic stuff (lead) and forcing them to label? its both interference from the government so what make any of that okay? how would we know there wasn't anything toxic in the food if there were no laws forcing them to test/list it? people forget that although the government can be corrupt the government is still made up of the people and change can be brought out but not by sitting around eating cheeto puffs and masturbating to game of thrones. and change did happen by the people who realized toxic things were in our food and the companies used loop holes to put it in there while lying and saying it wasn't.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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BECAUSE NO BUSINESS OR RESTERAUNT HAS ANY VESTED interest in doing something that will harm the consumer.
trans fats harm the consumer and there interest is because it is cheaper then using healthier oils.
its also a lot cheaper to not test water for lead and if no company did it then there would be no competition and it would go untested.
besides i want as much freedom as possible but there are limits its impossible to be completely free.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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What does the TRANS mean?....
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: jboredone]
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Trans fats are a type of unsaturated fat which is uncommon in nature but can be created artificially.
Hydrocarbons are carbon atoms with hydrogen atoms attached to them. Fats (fatty acids) contain long hydrocarbon chains. The carbon atoms in the chain can be connected by single bonds or double bonds. A double carbon–carbon bond can be either across (trans) or bent (cis).
Wikipedia^^^^^^^^
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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I love this you all are worried about what your junk food is cooked in, when it's the GMOs in your food that's going to kill you a hell of a lot sooner.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: jboredone]
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The TRANS means that it is a double bond across a single molecule. Without going into a whole lot of detail, Trans UNSATURATED (less hydrogen) fats are able to pack together easier than SATURATED fats (lots of Hydrogen) and therefor are able to build up easier and create plaque that lines your arteries and veins.
Trans (across) vs Cis (bent)
C=H=C C=H " C
Also Trans unsaturated fats are not commonly found in nature whereas Cis are common in natural sources of fatty acids..so do you really want to injest Trans fat? Especially since it raises levels of bad cholesterol and reduces good cholesterol.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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lonelyjew said: alright first of all who would someone sure them it would be legal correct?
second they already do use harmful things such as trans fats that cause cell membrane damage, and no it doesn't hurt there business because none of the other business care enough to take them out either, because its cheaper and the people who are poor and can't afford quality food are forced to eat the shitty trans fat food.
and since when are the private citizens (doctors and everyone else) the government? the private citizens demannded change and they got it, they tried to force companie to atleast label them and they pulled every loop hole they could so now foods say "0g trans fat" even though some of them have partially hydrogenated oil as the second ingredient. so then the citizens wanted it banned because its just flat out poision the government listened and decided they would ban it.
do you think the government sits around thinking "hmmmm lets take away their rights by forcing billion dollar companies to take the toxic stuff out of their food muahahahahahahaha!!"
again the same thing would apply whats the difference between making them take out the toxic stuff (lead) and forcing them to label? its both interference from the government so what make any of that okay? how would we know there wasn't anything toxic in the food if there were no laws forcing them to test/list it? people forget that although the government can be corrupt the government is still made up of the people and change can be brought out but not by sitting around eating cheeto puffs and masturbating to game of thrones. and change did happen by the people who realized toxic things were in our food and the companies used loop holes to put it in there while lying and saying it wasn't.
You missed my point entirely. In the end you are for a big, bloated federal government up the ass of citizens 24-7 with a microscope.
Let me tell you something. Maybe you are too stupid to think for yourself, but I'm not.
Oh, by the way--animal fat, supposedly so bad for you? That is what the human body is designed and adapted to ingest. If people take too much of it in that's their own fault. And some runty little fucking government asshole with an inspection sheet and an agenda isn't going to change it.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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lonelyjew said: Trans fats are a type of unsaturated fat which is uncommon in nature but can be created artificially.
Hydrocarbons are carbon atoms with hydrogen atoms attached to them. Fats (fatty acids) contain long hydrocarbon chains. The carbon atoms in the chain can be connected by single bonds or double bonds. A double carbon–carbon bond can be either across (trans) or bent (cis).
Wikipedia^^^^^^^^
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: sweeper54]
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Smart people dont eat trans fat. If I eat a lot it clogs up my system real fast. Basically they are garbage and dangerous. You have to be a moonbat to eat them.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lwheidt]
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animal fats have been shown not to be that bad, look up an article by harvard called "end the low fat myth" and im not for that, certain things have to be regulated and resturaunts shouldn't be able to serve poison and then lie about it, again would you be okay with water companies not testing for lead?
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lwheidt said: Smart people dont eat trans fat. If I eat a lot it clogs up my system real fast. Basically they are garbage and dangerous. You have to be a moonbat to eat them.
unless you are poor and can't afford the more expensive kind of food that's not cooked with the cheaper partially hydrogenated oils.
and since when does regulating dangerous things that companies serve mean i want a government with a microscope up our ass 24/7?
and its not the government its us that wants it, the government gains nothing from banning trans fats.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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and its not the government its us that wants it, the government gains nothing from banning trans fats.
So most people aren't smart enough to think for themselves. You should apply that to drugs, alcohol, and everything else then.
And yes, the government does want something from it. its called 'control'
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
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Would you prefer to see more people or less people die of preventable heart attacks? There has been a long fight to make food safer. It may be useless government control to some, but this will save a lot of lives. Transfat should never have been approved as food. Its garbage.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
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I'm fine with making them label food products as such, but I don't think they should out and out ban it.
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So most people aren't smart enough to think for themselves. You should apply that to drugs, alcohol, and everything else then.
And yes, the government does want something from it. its called 'control'
no the majority of people don't want it in their food, which means the majority of people are smart enough. the problem again is the people who end of having to buy trans fat stuffed food because its the cheapest.
and how is the people wanting something banned and the government doing what the people want giving the government control? its democracy at its finest.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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They should put a hefty tax on it like cigarettes.
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lonelyjew said: So most people aren't smart enough to think for themselves. You should apply that to drugs, alcohol, and everything else then.
And yes, the government does want something from it. its called 'control'
no the majority of people don't want it in their food, which means the majority of people are smart enough. the problem again is the people who end of having to buy trans fat stuffed food because its the cheapest.
and how is the people wanting something banned and the government doing what the people want giving the government control? its democracy at its finest.
who wants it banned? Where are the stats? Do you mean, based on what the Moonbat media says people when polled say they want them banned? There was people that wanted to ban water, for chris sakes.
by the way, how do you know what people think and want? The overbearing govenrment bans don't do shit.
Let me ask something and think hard. this is a hard question. If no body wanted to eat hamburgers, would Mcdonalds serve them? Duhhhhhhh.....
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: Le_Canard]
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there that would work to.
Or crazy alternative they make following the FDA rules optional and tighten up the regulations so restaurants that pass get a little sticker/seal of approval thingy that way no one can cry about their rights being taken away and the free market will eventually force all the companies to follow the more strict FDA regulations because no will want to eat at an unapproved place but you will have the option to if you have some weird desire to cause yourself brain damage.
also it would allow for the FDA to make regulations faster and not be influenced as much by the corporations vast funds
or people quit complaining that restaurants can't put toxic stuff in their food/tax it.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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your missing the point entirely. No one is disputing that trans fats are bad. Cigarettes are bad for you as well, should we ban those? No, because people have a right to their own body, they should be allowed to ingest trans fats just like they have the right to consume tobacco products. If people do not want trans fat in their foods they won't eat foods that contain trans fats, simple as that.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
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Let me ask something and think hard. this is a hard question. If no body wanted to eat hamburgers, would Mcdonalds serve them? Duhhhhhhh.....
of course people wouldn't unless of course hamburgers were the basis of almost every food out there and you had to be middle class to be able to stay away form the hamburgers like you had to be when trans fats were in nearly everything.
how are you supposed to stop eating trans fats? not everyone can afford it if no one liked hamburgers but they could be sold very cheap some families would have no choice to eat them.
also since when do hamburgers cause cell membrane damage?
and besides the only reason they are finally doing it is because an american CITIZEN who has been studying heart disease for 60 years sued the FDA
"The lawsuit, Kummerow vs US Food and Drug Administration et al,16 was filed August 9, 2013 with the Illinois Central District Court. Listed defendants include Kathleen Sebelius, Michael M Landa, US Dept of Health and Human Services, Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, Margaret Hamburg, and the FDA.
According to an August 13, 2013 report by FoodNavigator.com,17 Dr. Kummerow “is seeking a judgment declaring that the FDA’s failure to ban the use of partially hydrogenated oils... and its delay in issuing a final response to his 2009 petition, violate the Administrative Procedure Act and the Food, Drug, and Cosmetics Act.” Dr. Kummerow also sought “an order compelling the FDA to respond to his petition and to ban partially hydrogenated oils ‘unless a complete administrative review finds new evidence for their safety.’”
so already you have an educated citizen who is responsible for the FDA trying to ban
now there is plenty of time for people to comment and convince the FDA to keep trans fats here you can message them right now i will give you the link
http://www.fda.gov/Food/NewsEvents/ConstituentUpdates/ucm373925.htm
give them all your compelling arguments and if the majority of people argued that it should be kept and its not a health concern then it wouldn't be banned , but the problem is that it IS a health concern.
again would you be fine with lead dust being allowed in your food? companies wouldn't have to check it or care and could lie to your faces if they want again where is the limitations on what people can and cannot do? there has to be a limit and not being allowed to poison customers is one of them.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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lead is not a food product. Trans fats are.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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right but the problem is they tried that and the companies did every single thing they could to lie and put trans fats in there anyways, i bought coffee sweetener that said "0 grams trans fat!" so i bought and after a year of using it i learned that i had to read the label(was getting more involved in my health) and the second ingredient was partially hydrogenated soybean oil!!!
also some people don't have a choice on what food they boy and are forced to go with the cheaper and less healthy foods
also you are free to eat trans fats all you want in the same way that you can sprinkle lead shavings and soak your food in mercury, companies just aren't allowed to poison you.
also trans fats are NOT food
food fo͞od/ noun noun: food; plural noun: foods
1. any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink, or that plants absorb, in order to maintain life and growth.
they have zero nutritional value and raise the bad cholesterol and lower the good one at the same time, while causing cell membrane damage and numerous other health problems.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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so company deception is simply you being too lazy to read the label It really took you an entire year to look at the ingredients in your food? Come on man thats just lazy, don't make the government regulate due to your laziness. And people do have a choice about what they eat. Eat an apple for gods sake. Your not forced to eat mcdonalds burgers.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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no it snot being lazy its not expecting a company to lie to your face...
and apples are a lot more expensive then McDonalds
besides McDonalds removed trans fats from there food a while back
and should i really have to check every single ingredient of every single thing i eat to make sure its safe(i do now but most people don't have the time) i mean how would i know partially hydrogenated fats were trans fats without a little research? it would mean i would have to google every single ingredient on the list of a food item to see what had trans fats and what didn't(i know them all now but even now some will just list "margarine" as an ingredient which can sometimes contain trans fats and also cannot so how the hell am i supposed to know? you call the company and all you get is an 18 year old drop out who doesn't know what a trans fat is!)
they should just ya know.... not put poison in the food because its cheaper!
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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its called being an educated consumer. If you don't give a fuck enough about your own health to find out what your putting into your body then thats your choice.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
#19203082 - 11/28/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: lead is not a food product. Trans fats are.
I'd like to see safrole oil used in root beer again. Nom nom.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
#19203115 - 11/28/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: i don't eat it either but the FDA should not be telling people what they are allowed or not allowed to eat.
And I shouldn't have to pay for your cigarette or trans fat related cancers either but I will by paying much higher health insurance premiums.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
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psyconaught said: its called being an educated consumer. If you don't give a fuck enough about your own health to find out what your putting into your body then thats your choice.
so read the label realize they lied to you do hours and hours of research then decide whether its safe??
and do that before every meal?
some people don't have the resources to even find that information
What about the people who can't afford anything else?
what about the kids with shitty parent who let them eat whatever they want?
what about the kids who find money and buy the foods them selves? parents can't prevent that?
the school lunches? should parents even have to worry that the school food is causing brain damage?
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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so basically your statement summed up is that parents and people in general are incompetent losers who need the government to protect and coddle them. is that about right?
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19203247 - 11/29/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: its called being an educated consumer. If you don't give a fuck enough about your own health to find out what your putting into your body then thats your choice.
so read the label realize they lied to you do hours and hours of research then decide whether its safe??
and do that before every meal?
some people don't have the resources to even find that information
What about the people who can't afford anything else?
what about the kids with shitty parent who let them eat whatever they want?
what about the kids who find money and buy the foods them selves? parents can't prevent that?
the school lunches? should parents even have to worry that the school food is causing brain damage?
Do you know you are brainwashed? You have bought into the Utopian Dream that a big, nanny intrusive government serves you and the people. You've lost sight of the fact that it is a bunch of assclowns in suits who have one goal in mind--to line their pockets with the fruits of the peoples labor.
It's sad to see what has transpired in the US and world since the 60's. At that time, liberals were totally against a big, intrusive government. they were for the individual, and wanted the individual to have rights and be free of a Big Brother Government.
Now look at the liberals. They think big government is the solution to all problems. And when you look at the big picture, very objectively, you can see that the problem isn't people eating transfats, or taking drugs, or any number of other 'problems' that the government is 'fixing.'
The problem is the fucking government sticking their goddamn noses in everything to 'solve' the problems that THEY CREATED in most cases.
The big nanny state government, and the TOOLS who are elected to it by the fools who elect them, create the problems that require solutions that only the government can seem to provide.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
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again this is not about the government, it was american citizens who initiated this ban and american citizens have the option to protest against it and most likely have it not go through, its called democracy, if you really care about the right of people to be forced to eat this and have it lied about(companies always find loopholes) then start petitions like all the doctors who wanted trans fats banned because it breaks their heart to see people younger and younger get heart attacks and the 20k people it kills a year who probably didn't even know it was bad for them.
And no im saying that the poor people who can't afford food are tired of being fed poison and lied about it.
and not in general but there are definitely kids with shitty parents who will benefit greatly with another 20 yrs of life when this goes through.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
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since when did not allowing companies to give people unknowingly dangerous foods mean i want a big government? you automatically assume i'm a liberal because i'm okay with them removing a dangeorus additive that is completely unnessecary.
so you don't think the government should stop people from serving trans fats correct?
then why is it okay to force them to label the ingredients?
and if its not okay then how the hell do we know what we are eating? companies would lie out there ass if there weren't any legal repercussions
and again it was an American citizen who initiated the FDA to ban trans fats, i even linked you a site were you could directly tell the gov not to do it. if you got enough people you could probably keep trans fats, i mean thats how they got the ban going in the first place was by the citizens protesting the poison that was being force fed to them
i mean trans fats weren't even labeled until 2006!!
and still they found ways to lie and cheat the consumers so the CITIZENS protested and now the government(made up of people elected by the people) is taking action
i think its a beautiful demonstration of democracy
". You've lost sight of the fact that it is a bunch of assclowns in suits who have one goal in mind--to line their pockets with the fruits of the peoples labor."
your forgetting that the companies are literally causing children brain damage by using partially hydrogenated oil because its cheaper.
'problem isn't people eating transfat"
it unknowingly kills 20k people a year that is definitely a problem, and again its not being made illegal to eat you can eat it all you want but restaurants and food companies can't label it as food because trans fats are a toxin and have been proven to be deadly you can still eat trans fats the same way you sprinkle lead shavings onto your pizza, its just restaurants/food companies aren't allowed to.
"government sticking their goddamn noses in everything to 'solve' the problems"
nope again it was the American citizens taking action against the companies that were literally poisoning them for more money.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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i don't care if it was a citizen that initiated the protest. There are hardcore socialists and communists who happen to be american citizens that doesn't mean i have to agree with them. and you keep using words like "forced," no one is forced to do do anything by corporations. People have to choose to purchase certain food items or frequent certain restaurants for them to be successful. No one is FORCED to do anything. What makes me different than any other american? I don't eat trans fats because i choose not to. Why do i have this magical power of choice that others do not? Where are the invisible guns that corporations are holding forcing people to consume trans fats?
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19203351 - 11/29/13 01:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's the difference between a liberal and a libertarian;
If a libertarian doesn't like something, they don't do it.
If a liberal doesn't want or like something, or doesn't think it is good, they think everyone should be prevented from having it.
And since when does 'a citizen' or a group of citizens decide what everyone else does?
That's fucking Moonbat, socialist shit scum policy.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19203354 - 11/29/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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By the way, you would probably be happy as a pig in shit living in New York city under Nanny Bloomberg. That way he could protect you from the evil businesses and companies.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
#19203356 - 11/29/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's the difference between a liberal and a libertarian;
If a libertarian doesn't like something, they don't do it.
If a liberal doesn't want or like something, or doesn't think it is good, they think everyone should be prevented from having it.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
#19203377 - 11/29/13 01:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: i don't care if it was a citizen that initiated the protest. There are hardcore socialists and communists who happen to be american citizens that doesn't mean i have to agree with them. and you keep using words like "forced," no one is forced to do do anything by corporations. People have to choose to purchase certain food items or frequent certain restaurants for them to be successful. No one is FORCED to do anything. What makes me different than any other american? I don't eat trans fats because i choose not to. Why do i have this magical power of choice that others do not? Where are the invisible guns that corporations are holding forcing people to consume trans fats?
its called not being broke because of the shitty economy and not having to eat the shitty crummy food thats cheapest
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starfire_xes said: Here's the difference between a liberal and a libertarian;
If a libertarian doesn't like something, they don't do it.
If a liberal doesn't want or like something, or doesn't think it is good, they think everyone should be prevented from having it.
And since when does 'a citizen' or a group of citizens decide what everyone else does?
That's fucking Moonbat, socialist shit scum policy.
are you going to answer the question?
would you be okay with companies not having to test for lead?
and again
so you don't think the government should stop people from serving trans fats correct?
then why is it okay to force them to label the ingredients?
and if its not okay then how the hell do we know what we are eating? companies would lie out there ass if there weren't any legal repercussions
where do you draw the line on what is okay to enforce and what is not? how much government interference is okay and how much isn't? where is the line? i think poisoning customers is a good area to cover
and again your rights are not being taken away you can eat trans fats all you want but restaurants cannot sell them as food items because they are poisonous in the same way they can't sell rat poison intended for consumption.
would you be okay with companies labeling crack cocaine as health food for kids?
where do you draw the line?
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its called not being broke because of the shitty economy and not having to eat the shitty crummy food thats cheapest
i grew up with a single dad and two other siblings. we were dirt poor and still managed to eat healthy. Its actually cheaper to eat healthily than eating shit fast food if you break it down and utilize purchasing power and bulk buying.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
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yes but how long ago was that? 1995-2006 it was nearly impossible to find something without trans fats and its pretty hard to find something cheaper then 10 cents a meal(ramen noodle)
also waiting for someone to comment on lead.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19203397 - 11/29/13 01:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i'm 18 years old right now. And graduated high school at the beginning of last summer so everything i'm referring to is current.
I already commented on it. Lead is not a food item/additive. Trans fat is, just like citric acid or any other chemical used in processed foods.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
#19203405 - 11/29/13 01:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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and i already showed you that trans fats are NOT a food additive and is about to be considered non edible which is what this is all about, something that has no safe level for human consumption can't be considered a food additive especially if neither improves flavor or shelf life and has 0 nutritional value.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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okay then citric acid cannot be considered a food additive by your definition. Oh and you gave the definition for food, not a food additive, trans fats are most definitely food additives.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19203409 - 11/29/13 02:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lonelyjew said: yes but how long ago was that? 1995-2006 it was nearly impossible to find something without trans fats and its pretty hard to find something cheaper then 10 cents a meal(ramen noodle)
also waiting for someone to comment on lead.
No one is going to add lead to anything LOL.
It's cheap to eat without transfat. ever hear of fresh vegetables?
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
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psyconaught said: okay then citric acid cannot be considered a food additive by your definition. Oh and you gave the definition for food, not a food additive, trans fats are most definitely food additives.
In biochemistry, the conjugate base of citric acid, citrate, is important as an intermediate in the citric acid cycle, which occurs in the metabolism of all aerobic organisms.
no its actually a necessary part of our bodily functions
food additive Web definitions
an additive to food intended to improve its flavor or appearance or shelf-life
fine so then lead IS indeed a food additive
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lonelyjew said: yes but how long ago was that? 1995-2006 it was nearly impossible to find something without trans fats and its pretty hard to find something cheaper then 10 cents a meal(ramen noodle)
also waiting for someone to comment on lead.
No one is going to add lead to anything LOL.
It's cheap to eat without transfat. ever hear of fresh vegetables?
no but they sure as hell wouldn't make any effort to take it out if they didn't have to and lead used to be used in a lot of things before the government made it illegal
and where can i buy fresh veggies for cheaper then 10 cents a meal?
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19203422 - 11/29/13 02:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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and then what do you do about the people who choose to eat unhealthy which causes healthy eaters to have to pay more for health insurance?
why is that okay? why is it okay for people to have their poor choices directly affect the cost of health care but the banning of trans fats is not okay?
what makes one okay and not the other?
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19203557 - 11/29/13 04:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i dont worry about what other people eat. it isn't my business. And if you spend 10 cents a meal to eat, i dont give a fuck if you are poor or not, you deserve the shit you get. Other people are going to have to pay more for health insurance anyhow.
Most conditions are because of genetic disposition, nothing else.
I could give a rats ass if someone eats sugar, fat, or dog shit.
It isn't my business. Maybe you want your nose up other peoples asses, but that just goes to show you are a socialist moonbat.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19203723 - 11/29/13 06:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Trans-fats are poison and really don't do much anyway except add shelf-life to shitty, packaged baked goods like twinkies,which I contend are also poison. Almost no one uses them anymore anyway. Totally pointless but I guess the feds are just trying to get some press.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: setb]
#19203800 - 11/29/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you read this forum, its basically seems like "libertarians" have lost there ability to think and discuss anything, because they are so paranoid. Sorry libertarians but you can't win an argument with the same post in every thread. Every thread basicly goes like this " Im a libertarian who knows the answer to everything. That answer is everyone who doesn't think like me is a moonbat."
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
#19204204 - 11/29/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: your missing the point entirely. No one is disputing that trans fats are bad. Cigarettes are bad for you as well, should we ban those? No, because people have a right to their own body, they should be allowed to ingest trans fats just like they have the right to consume tobacco products. If people do not want trans fat in their foods they won't eat foods that contain trans fats, simple as that.
You're missing the point entirely. People make the conscious decision to smoke.
When people are trying to avoid trans fats, they can look at the nutritional facts, and see a "0g" trans fat, but that doesn't actually mean there is no trans fat.
When going to a restaurant, it's the same thing. You rarely can be sure that your food doesn't contain trans fat, or wasn't cooked in it.
There is nothing "authoritarian" about the policy. Starfire should bring his rambling to the butthurt crybaby thread, because the shit he is saying is absolutely ridiculous.
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Every thread basicly goes like this " Im a libertarian who knows the answer to everything. That answer is everyone who doesn't think like me is a moonbat."
that sounds more like a liberal. The libertarian standpoint is that the individual knows what is best for themselves. Therefore decisions should be left to the individual. In a libertarian society no one would force an individual to not consume or consume certain products.
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Every thread basicly goes like this " Im a libertarian who knows the answer to everything. That answer is everyone who doesn't think like me is a moonbat."
that sounds more like a liberal. The libertarian standpoint is that the individual knows what is best for themselves. Therefore decisions should be left to the individual. In a libertarian society no one would force an individual to not consume or consume certain products.
who is forcing anyone to not consume this product? again you can have trans fats the same way you can sprinkle lead on your food, restaurants just aren't allowed to put it out and label it as food.
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it is barring restaurant and other business owners from selling the products they want to sell.
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psyconaught said: it is barring restaurant and other business owners from selling the products they want to sell.
its preventing them from lying and selling a non food product as food, they can sell trans fats still they just can't sell it as food because its not food, in the exact same way they can sell lead, would you be okay with them labeling mercury as an energy drink?
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19204702 - 11/29/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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trans fat is a food product. I don't know whats so hard for you to understand about that. Its a food product in the same way citric acid is. Or baking soda.
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yes and i listed you a definition of food additive which is what you are thinking of and lead is ALSO a food additive by that same definition.
food additive Web definitions
an additive to food intended to improve its flavor or appearance or shelf-life
trans fats and lead are a food additive right? no not legally because they are TOXIC(well not trans fats yet)
now as far as food products go neither lead NOR trans fats are a food product because they both have zero nutritional value
food product Web definitions
foodstuff: a substance that can be used or prepared for use as food
so that argument is completely invalid.
now again are you okay with them listing mercury as an energy drink? because that's similar to listing trans fats as a food PRODUCT.
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"Trans fat is made by adding hydrogen to vegetable oil through a process called hydrogenation, which makes the oil less likely to spoil. Using trans fats in the manufacturing of foods helps foods stay fresh longer, have a longer shelf life and have a less greasy feel."
It adds shelf life. It's a food additive. Sugar is also poison, and just about anything in a high enough dose is. This is definitely over-regulation. Some degree of regulation is fine, this level is not.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/trans-fat/CL00032 Almost didn't add my source...
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yes it is a food additive but it is NOT a food product.
but as soon as it becomes recognized as toxic it will no longer legally be considered a food additive, or at least won't be aloud to be used as one.
The problem is it is also being sold as a food product which it is definitely not(not to mention its sold for human consumption even though it is toxic)
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So, is banning transfats called for because they contribute to coronary artery disease?
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Cigarettes, toxic. Totally not banned. Alcohol, an intoxicant, literally made to be toxic. Definitely not banned. It's totally sold for human consumption.
"Water, just like any other substance, can be considered a poison when over-consumed in a specific period of time. Water intoxication mostly occurs when water is being consumed in a high quantity without giving the body the proper nutrients it needs to be healthy.[2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication
I wouldn't be against labeling foods with trans fat in them so the people consuming it could make the choice of whether or not to eat it. Stop banning everything. It's fucking with the gene pool...
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
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its banned for numerous reasons and its overall toxicity with NO nutritional value
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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again trans fats are not banned you can buy them and eat them all you want restaurants just can't put them in food because they are toxic the same way they cannot put lead in food.
would you be okay with lead in your food or how about mercury marketed as an energy drink?
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Yeah. "High blood cholesterol levels typically result from a combination of genetic and environmental risk factors. Lifestyle choices including diet, exercise, and tobacco smoking strongly influence the amount of cholesterol in the blood. Additional factors that impact cholesterol levels include a person's gender, age, and health problems such as diabetes and obesity."
It looks like many things contribute to high blood cholesterol besides transfats. Hmmm....no wonder my cholesterol levels are always good. I have the genetics for low cholesterol. So I have an idea.
Let's gather the whole collective outside each morning in their grey workers uniforms at 6am. That is the mandatory exercise time for the collective exercise period. After all, lack of exercise contributes to coronoary artery disease.
Next, after workers mandatory exericse, they march in formation to the Collective kitchen, where they receive their morning bowl of oatmeal and half a banana. After all, a healthy lifestyle makes for a healthy worker and a proud collective.
Then, its off to the factory until the next worker function.
Note: Party members and leaders are exempt from the collective policies as the party elites know what is best for all and are responsible.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
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I'm actually agreeing with you for once starfire. Now you go all 1984 on me? I don't want to see this ban on transfats, or cigarettes or alcohol. Or any drug. Everyone knows transfats are bad for you. All I say is, sell your product with a clear statement that that shits in there.
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nonono I wasn't writing that for your benefit, i know you were agreeing with me.
I should have addressed it to Lonelyjew.
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lonelyjew said: again trans fats are not banned you can buy them and eat them all you want restaurants just can't put them in food because they are toxic the same way they cannot put lead in food.
would you be okay with lead in your food or how about mercury marketed as an energy drink?
Well by God. Lets not let resteraunts put salt on the table,and lets ban sugary drinks larger than 16 ounces also. After all, no one is banning you from using salt or drinking sugary drinks they are just preventing evil businesses fom serving them.
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I hope it benefits him, that book taught me alot.
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That's right, in 1984 they did have the exercise periods didn't they? But they allowed smoking. LOL.
One of the key points I put in that sarcastic farce of a post above was that the party insiders and upper elites are exempt from the rules because they know what is best for the worker.
We can already see that mentality taking root in the US, one of the most glaring examples is Obamacare.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
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starfire_xes said: Yeah. "High blood cholesterol levels typically result from a combination of genetic and environmental risk factors. Lifestyle choices including diet, exercise, and tobacco smoking strongly influence the amount of cholesterol in the blood. Additional factors that impact cholesterol levels include a person's gender, age, and health problems such as diabetes and obesity."
It looks like many things contribute to high blood cholesterol besides transfats. Hmmm....no wonder my cholesterol levels are always good. I have the genetics for low cholesterol. So I have an idea.
Let's gather the whole collective outside each morning in their grey workers uniforms at 6am. That is the mandatory exercise time for the collective exercise period. After all, lack of exercise contributes to coronoary artery disease.
Next, after workers mandatory exericse, they march in formation to the Collective kitchen, where they receive their morning bowl of oatmeal and half a banana. After all, a healthy lifestyle makes for a healthy worker and a proud collective.
Then, its off to the factory until the next worker function.
Note: Party members and leaders are exempt from the collective policies as the party elites know what is best for all and are responsible.

you are forgetting that trans fats are NOT only a concern when it comes to cholesterol... it causes numerous other problems and AGAIN no one is forced to do anything!!!! restaurants just can't put toxic non food items in your food that's all you are free to buy it and put it in yourself all you want.
and they tried to have the companies label them and they refused to and used every loophole they could
and again what is the difference between forcing a company to label their product clearly and forcing them to remove toxic substances?
and NO because sugar and salt are necessary for humans over consumption is the fault of the buyer but there is NO safe amount when it comes to trans fats and it is NOT even legally food.
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I'll tell you what Lonelyjew. You let your state ban whatever they want. I'll vote in my state about whether we ban transfats or not. OK? Don't need the one-size fits all Federal government beaurocrats deciding for our states, do we?
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lonelyjew said: its banned for numerous reasons and its overall toxicity with NO nutritional value
You are using words incorrectly. Of course transfats have nutritional value. They are a calory-dense source of energy just as is olive oil. They yield the same nine calories per gram that butter does. Or Canola oil.
Carbohydrates are nutrients. Fats (including trans-fats) are nutrients. Proteins are nutrients. Some minerals and non-energy-supplying molecules (vitamins) are also nutrients. All of them have nutritional value.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
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sadly sometimes its nessacary for instance when some states wanted slavery and others didn't...
and again please answer my comment on the lead and mercury power drink its the same concept.
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lonelyjew said: sadly sometimes its nessacary for instance when some states wanted slavery and others didn't...
and again please answer my comment on the lead and mercury power drink its the same concept.
no it isn't. No company would knowingly put mercury or lead in their food. They would be open to litigation if they did. I know a family that ate pork that had eaten mercury treated seed-grain when I was a kid. Fucked them up something horrible.
As far as the instance about slavery--correct. That was a clear case of constitutional infringement by some states over citizens.
The federal government has no business regulating anything outside its constitutional jurisdiction in the states. You want to know why things are so fucked up in the US it is the US Federal government sticking their noses in things that they shouldn't be concerned about.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: Phred]
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You are using words incorrectly. Of course transfats have nutritional value. They are a calory-dense source of energy just as is olive oil. They yield the same nine calories per gram that butter does. Or Canola oil.
Carbohydrates are nutrients. Fats (including trans-fats) are nutrients. Proteins are nutrients. Some minerals and non-energy-supplying molecules (vitamins) are also nutrients. All of them have nutritional value.
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sorry let me clarify while it may have calories so does asbestos and most other toxic plants have SOME sort of nutritional value BUT the definition of nutritious
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nu·tri·tious n(y)o͞oˈtriSHəs/ adjective adjective: nutritious
1. nourishing; efficient as food.
the key word is EFFICIENT so 9 calories don't mean shit when its destroying your cells.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
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and again please answer my comment on the lead and mercury power drink its the same concept.
no it isn't. No company would knowingly put mercury or lead in their food. They would be open to litigation if they did. I know a family that ate pork that had eaten mercury treated seed-grain when I was a kid. Fucked them up something horrible.
As far as the instance about slavery--correct. That was a clear case of constitutional infringement by some states over citizens.
The federal government has no business regulating anything outside its constitutional jurisdiction in the states. You want to know why things are so fucked up in the US it is the US Federal government sticking their noses in things that they shouldn't be concerned about.
there would be no legal action because it would be legal correct? buyer beware?
they also legally wouldn't have to test for it correct?
and whats the difference between forcing them to list ingredients so you can know and forcing them to test or even forcing them to take out toxic ingredients lead/trans fats
would you be okay with companies not having to test for lead?
and lead used to be made with paint before the government banned it.
that's what happened with trans fats and now the companies aren't allowed to have them anymore because of the dangers.
and unknowingly poisoning someone for profit could easily fit in that same category
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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LOL. You are paranoid.
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and they tried to have the companies label them and they refused to and used every loophole they could
I see transfat percentages on all kinds of food labels.
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and they tried to have the companies label them and they refused to and used every loophole they could
I see transfat percentages on all kinds of food labels.
where do you live?
i know her ein california and all the other states ive been to if its under .5 grams per serving they don't legally have to list it on the label, and considering there is no safe level for human consumption its quite a bit.
they still have to list partially hydrogenated oil on the ingredients but you have no idea how much you are consuming or if you have it in there at for instance margarine may or may not contain trans fats so how the hell are you supposed to know?
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says the one who is afraid of a nanny government because a citizen initiated a ban on a toxic substance sold as food and even marketed as healthy at some point.
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starfire_xes said: That's right, in 1984 they did have the exercise periods didn't they? But they allowed smoking. LOL.
One of the key points I put in that sarcastic farce of a post above was that the party insiders and upper elites are exempt from the rules because they know what is best for the worker.
We can already see that mentality taking root in the US, one of the most glaring examples is Obamacare.
I wonder if they rationed people's cigarettes by how much time a cigarette takes off your life? Maybe they can simply measure the amount of transfat in people's blood every day via blood sampling so we know we're not getting toxic amounts...They can use that to determine if we're doing drugs as well, and our homogenized society will be perfect.
Ban Transfats in the Soilent Green! ha.
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well considering ANY amount is toxic it shouldn't even be legal if intended for consumption there is absolutely NO reason for it to be listed as a food product.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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and they tried to have the companies label them and they refused to and used every loophole they could
I see transfat percentages on all kinds of food labels.
where do you live?
i know her ein california and all the other states ive been to if its under .5 grams per serving they don't legally have to list it on the label, and considering there is no safe level for human consumption its quite a bit.
they still have to list partially hydrogenated oil on the ingredients but you have no idea how much you are consuming or if you have it in there at for instance margarine may or may not contain trans fats so how the hell are you supposed to know?
While I understand that that is misleading, I think it is safe to assume that if it says trans fat on the nutritional label, even if it says zero percent, that there is transfat in there. If it doesn't have trans fat on the nutritional label, it's not in the food.
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lonelyjew said: well considering ANY amount is toxic it shouldn't even be legal if intended for consumption there is absolutely NO reason for it to be listed as a food product.
"The American Heart Association recommends limiting total trans fat intake to less than 1 percent of our total daily calories, which means less than 2 grams per day for many people. Since most of us get that much from naturally occurring trans fat in red meat and dairy, we need to cut trans fat from other foods to zero. That means checking every ingredient list and bypassing foods that declare any hydrogenated oils or partially hydrogenated oils, even if it states "trans fat 0 g" on the nutrition panel."
http://www.cbn.com/health/nutrition/Reinke_transfats.aspx
Like I said, if you don't want an overabundance of trans fat in your diet, avoid anything that has trans fat, on the label.
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says the one who is afraid of a nanny government because a citizen initiated a ban on a toxic substance sold as food and even marketed as healthy at some point.
Actually I am a lot more afraid of the government putting a leash around my neck than I am about some random company adding transfats to my food.
By the way, if you live in california, you should have access to all kinds of inexpensive fruits and vegetables. The markets are loaded with them. That's probably one of the best things in california.
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nu·tri·tious n(y)o͞oˈtriSHəs/ adjective adjective: nutritious
1. nourishing; efficient as food.
the key word is EFFICIENT so 9 calories don't mean shit when its destroying your cells.
You are using words incorrectly. Fats are in fact the most efficient substances at delivering energy to the body at 9 calories per gram. Proteins and carbohydrates deliver just 4 calories per gram. Asbestos delivers 0 calories per gram, as the body is incapable of extracting energy from asbestos.
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and they tried to have the companies label them and they refused to and used every loophole they could
I see transfat percentages on all kinds of food labels.
where do you live?
i know her ein california and all the other states ive been to if its under .5 grams per serving they don't legally have to list it on the label, and considering there is no safe level for human consumption its quite a bit.
they still have to list partially hydrogenated oil on the ingredients but you have no idea how much you are consuming or if you have it in there at for instance margarine may or may not contain trans fats so how the hell are you supposed to know?
While I understand that that is misleading, I think it is safe to assume that if it says trans fat on the nutritional label, even if it says zero percent, that there is transfat in there. If it doesn't have trans fat on the nutritional label, it's not in the food.
that's still not necessarily true.
and although they recommend keeping it under 2 grams the FDA and other organizations have found that it is even toxic in those amounts, there is NO safe level, and the FDA was concerned because we still consume an average of 1 gram a day
http://cspinet.org/new/200207101.html
because quite frankly it is just NOT safe at any level
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says the one who is afraid of a nanny government because a citizen initiated a ban on a toxic substance sold as food and even marketed as healthy at some point.
Actually I am a lot more afraid of the government putting a leash around my neck than I am about some random company adding transfats to my food.
By the way, if you live in california, you should have access to all kinds of inexpensive fruits and vegetables. The markets are loaded with them. That's probably one of the best things in california.
did they put a leash on you when they forced companies to label ingredients?
did they put a leash on you when they made water companies test for lead before it could be sold?
did they put a leash on you when the banned paint with lead in it?
again what is the difference between lead contamination and forcing them to test regularly and remove the lead and making companies take other toxic substances out of food?
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nu·tri·tious n(y)o͞oˈtriSHəs/ adjective adjective: nutritious
1. nourishing; efficient as food.
the key word is EFFICIENT so 9 calories don't mean shit when its destroying your cells.
You are using words incorrectly. Fats are in fact the most efficient substances at delivering energy to the body at 9 calories per gram. Proteins and carbohydrates deliver just 4 calories per gram. Asbestos delivers 0 calories per gram, as the body is incapable of extracting energy from asbestos.
Phred
actually because of the rigid structure of trans fats it messes with the lipid by-layer allowing for even less nutrients and more toxins to permeate.
not to mention our bodies arn't equipped to handle the rigid structure causing even more problems
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6263505
lets not forget liver disfunction and fertility
;8 liver dysfunction – because trans fats are metabolised differently to other fats and may interfere with the essential fatty acids important for liver function
http://www.ion.ac.uk/information/onarchives/fatsoflife
so how exactly is something beneficent at nourishing something when it literally destroys the thing its supposed to be nourishing?
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I don't thinks its the federal government's responsibility to ban a substance in such a way. Leave it up to the individual to decide what is best for him or her.
I looked through my kitchen and almost everything of mine has no transfat at all anyway. All my cooking oils have no transfat my REAL butter has no transfat, anything remotely fatty I could think of had no trans fat in it already. My opinion is that most people probably don't consume large amounts of transfat anyways and its stupid to ban such a thing. Hell none of my chips have any trans fat. It would appear that private enterprise is ahead of the government on the transfat thing.
Also I live in Michigan, I don't think we regulate trans fat here.
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pretzelking said: I don't thinks its the federal government's responsibility to ban a substance in such a way. Leave it up to the individual to decide what is best for him or her.
I looked through my kitchen and almost everything of mine has no transfat at all anyway. All my cooking oils have no transfat my REAL butter has no transfat, anything remotely fatty I could think of had no trans fat in it already. My opinion is that most people probably don't consume large amounts of transfat anyways and its stupid to ban such a thing. Hell none of my chips have any trans fat. It would appear that private enterprise is ahead of the government on the transfat thing.
Also I live in Michigan, I don't think we regulate trans fat here.
Hush hush. You are too stupid to think for yourself. You need a Nanny in DC to do it for you.
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I looked through my kitchen and almost everything of mine has no transfat at all anyway. All my cooking oils have no transfat my REAL butter has no transfat, anything remotely fatty I could think of had no trans fat in it already. My opinion is that most people probably don't consume large amounts of transfat anyways and its stupid to ban such a thing. Hell none of my chips have any trans fat. It would appear that private enterprise is ahead of the government on the transfat thing.
Also I live in Michigan, I don't think we regulate trans fat here.
did you look at the label or the ingredients?
the companies like to lie if you see the words partially hydrogenated ANYWHERE it has trans fats
starfire are you going to answer the questions i will re post them
you keep thinking that somehow there would be legal action taken but you are wrong because that wouldn't work anyway
are you okay with the govenmernt forcing companies to label the ingredients?
why is it okay to force them to do that?
if not then how the hell can you even know what you are consuming and whether its safe
AND are you okay with a water company not testing for lead because isn't that the government interfering to?
and would you be okay with mercury being labeled for human consumption???
you keep thinking legal action will magically happen but trans fats unknowingly kill 20-30 thousand people a YEAR and no one has sued them because its pretty damn hard to sue a billion dollar company.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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lonelyjew said: well its not telling us what we can and cannot eat its just that restaurants cannot serve them to us the same way they can't sprinkle mercury on our food. i think its perfectly fine for instance does anyone complain that restaurants have to keep their food at a certain temperature or that food manufacturers can't have certain amounts of mercury or lead in their food?
no, no one does so why should something that causes cell membrane damage be any different? the only reason they use it instead of canola or non hydrogenated oils is because it cheaper (not counting fully hydrogenated which has saturated instead of trans fats)
they tried to not ban it and make companies legally obligated to list it but they found loopholes to fuck over the consumers so they had no choice but to ban it, for instance serving sizes got smaller so the trans fats were under .5 grams per serving so they could legally claim 0 grams trans fats even though no one in the world eats 1/5 of a mini chip bag
I think a better solution would be to require the restaurants to put the nutrition facts on a separate or current menu, problem solved.
It's amusing how they worry about trans-fat but give a shit less about labeling GMO's.
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lonelyjew said: well its not telling us what we can and cannot eat its just that restaurants cannot serve them to us the same way they can't sprinkle mercury on our food. i think its perfectly fine for instance does anyone complain that restaurants have to keep their food at a certain temperature or that food manufacturers can't have certain amounts of mercury or lead in their food?
no, no one does so why should something that causes cell membrane damage be any different? the only reason they use it instead of canola or non hydrogenated oils is because it cheaper (not counting fully hydrogenated which has saturated instead of trans fats)
they tried to not ban it and make companies legally obligated to list it but they found loopholes to fuck over the consumers so they had no choice but to ban it, for instance serving sizes got smaller so the trans fats were under .5 grams per serving so they could legally claim 0 grams trans fats even though no one in the world eats 1/5 of a mini chip bag
I think a better solution would be to require the restaurants to put the nutrition facts on a separate or current menu, problem solved.
i'd be fine with that. Provide the information and let the individual consumer decide for themselves.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
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It wouldn't be that hard, I mean everything they serve you comes from somewhere else that is required to have the data already, a bit of number crunching is all it would take.
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They in turn could require the suppliers to submit a real list of information.
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OR just take the damn thing out!
Its not a food item and is toxic and is being sold as a food item, you can still sell trans fats just not as a food product.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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you've been proven wrong multiple times. It is a legitimate food additive, stop spreading lies.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
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Not to mention there are naturally occurring trans fats. How do we get those out? Breed the cows differently?
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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lonelyjew said: OR just take the damn thing out!
Its not a food item and is toxic and is being sold as a food item, you can still sell trans fats just not as a food product.
But most of your food is toxic with the hidden GMOs and they won't even label them.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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pretzelking said: I don't thinks its the federal government's responsibility to ban a substance in such a way. Leave it up to the individual to decide what is best for him or her.
I looked through my kitchen and almost everything of mine has no transfat at all anyway. All my cooking oils have no transfat my REAL butter has no transfat, anything remotely fatty I could think of had no trans fat in it already. My opinion is that most people probably don't consume large amounts of transfat anyways and its stupid to ban such a thing. Hell none of my chips have any trans fat. It would appear that private enterprise is ahead of the government on the transfat thing.
Also I live in Michigan, I don't think we regulate trans fat here.
did you look at the label or the ingredients?
the companies like to lie if you see the words partially hydrogenated ANYWHERE it has trans fats
Oh I see what they did there. I was looking at the nutritional facts originally. They should eliminate that loophole then. Make the companies 100% honest about what their ingredients and nutritional value is and let me make my informed decision.
Do you want the government to ban driving? What about cigarets? What about alcohol? What about aspirin? What if we ban sex because stds? What about swimming? I heard a lot of people die drowning every year maybe we should ban that. The point is the list can go on forever if we want to ban things "for public safety".
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: pretzelking]
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I need to take some Xanax to get rid of this anxiety. I ate a couple of Tacos from Carls Junior last night and I'm shaking in my boots wondering if I might have ingested some deadly transfats.
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Call the CDC! We have a Taco Bell outbreak!
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You know damn well this isn't the intent of the regulation.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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FOOD ADDITIVE AND FOOD PRODUCT ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS PLEASE LEARN THE DIFFERENCE AND READ THE THREAD
again legally if it is toxic and not on the gras list it can't be considered a legal food additive which it soon won't be
and the amount of naturally occuring trans fats in cows is very small and not near the amount used in foods.
again all this ban is doing is preventing trans fats from being sold for human consumption you are still free to buy and use at your discretion.
and i also linked the definition of food additive which made it clear that lead can be considered a food additive
so would you answer the question about lead in food and water?
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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i will post it again actually read it this time
food additive Web definitions
an additive to food intended to improve its flavor or appearance or shelf-life
which means i could consider lead a food additive as well correct?
food product Web definitions
foodstuff: a substance that can be used or prepared for use as food
food fo͞od/ noun noun: food; plural noun: foods
1. any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink, or that plants absorb, in order to maintain life and growth.
in order for something to be nutritious it HAS to be effective at delivering nutrients which transfats are definitely not considering all the damage it does in he process.
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and the amount of naturally occuring trans fats in cows is very small and not near the amount used in foods.
Didn't you yourself say there is no safe amount of trans fats?
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and NO because sugar and salt are necessary for humans over consumption is the fault of the buyer but there is NO safe amount when it comes to trans fats and it is NOT even legally food.
There it is! The reason adding trans fats to food isn't healthy is because we get the amount we need in a standard diet anyway, through red meat consumption. There is a safe amount, you contradict yourself alot you know?
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this ban is on artificial trans fats
for some reason whether it be the combination of the other nutrients in meat or the way it is hydrogenated by the bacteria it has no harmful affects and has been shown to increase hdl
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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and no we don't "need" trans fats
and again no contradictions this ban has always been about artificial we don't know why but for some reason when it is natural it is not harmful(in moderate amounts gorging your self on meat is bad but low amounts of NATURAL are beneficial)
where have i contradicted my self?
sugar and salt ARE necessities artificial trans fats are not which is what the ban is doing.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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Just because something isn't a necessity doesn't mean we should ban it. Like it or not trans fats metabolize in our bodies into little ole calories and give us energy. It may be hard for our bodies to digest said fats because of the bent tail of the organic molecule "trans" fat. It doesn't mean its a toxin however.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: pretzelking]
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ood additive Web definitions
an additive to food intended to improve its flavor or appearance or shelf-life
which means i could consider lead a food additive as well correct?
lead does not do any of those functions and we cannot digest lead. So whats your point? Trans fats are more similar to baking soda or citric acid.
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no but the damage it does to our bodies in the process is what makes it toxic
flavor or appearence, lead can do both of those things because flavor is subjective and lead can make stuff have a nice greyish tint
all trans fats do is add shelf life.(flavor to possibly but the only reason it is used vs other oils is because its cheaper)
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and there is no need for digestion of lead our bodies absorb about 10-15%
so again lead can be a food additive because it fits those definitions
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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if you want to be a dumb ass and argue semantics sure lead is a 'food additive' but trans fats add shelf life and almost everyone likes the taste. Hence why they are in tons of food. Sure its shitty for you but so are lots of things in food like high fructose corn syrup. But who are you to tell me what i can or cannot purchase at a store or restaurant?
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
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ood additive Web definitions
an additive to food intended to improve its flavor or appearance or shelf-life
which means i could consider lead a food additive as well correct?
lead does not do any of those functions and we cannot digest lead. So whats your point? Trans fats are more similar to baking soda or citric acid.
again you don't have to digest lead for it to be a food additive do we digest food colorings?
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psyconaught said: if you want to be a dumb ass and argue semantics sure lead is a 'food additive' but trans fats add shelf life and almost everyone likes the taste. Hence why they are in tons of food. Sure its shitty for you but so are lots of things in food like high fructose corn syrup. But who are you to tell me what i can or cannot purchase at a store or restaurant?
trans fats may add shelf life but the flavor is hardly distinguishable from saturated fats
again high fructose corn syrup is just as bad as regular sugar its americans high consumption that makes it a problem consuming around 160g of sugar a day!
and trans fats and lead are both toxic so why is one okay but not the other?
would you be okay if they used it for coloring and didn't have to list it in the ingredients because it was under .5 grams?
and on the ingredients it said Pb+4 instead of lead?
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i agree with you on the labeling. Close the loopholes, disclose exactly whats in it and let consumers decide for themselves. But banning it? Fuck that nanny state bull shit.
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psyconaught said: i agree with you on the labeling. Close the loopholes, disclose exactly whats in it and let consumers decide for themselves. But banning it? Fuck that nanny state bull shit.
its not being banned you can still legally buy it just like you can buy lead
it just can't be sold and marketed for human consumption because its toxic.
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your being intellectually dishonest with yourself. It is toxic above a certain threshold.
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psyconaught said: your being intellectually dishonest with yourself. It is toxic above a certain threshold.
Exactly. And by adding them to things like potato chips at questionable levels, we take in more trans fats than we're supposed to. It's not a matter of the unnatural ones being toxic, it's that people who eat alot of junk food get too much trans fat. Your argument is misleading.
"How much trans fat you can safely consume is debatable. However, there's no question you should limit trans fat, according to the Food and Drug Administration and the American Heart Association (AHA).
In the United States, food nutrition labels don't list a Daily Value for trans fat because it's unknown what an appropriate level of trans fat is, other than it should be low. The AHA recommends that no more than 1 percent of your total daily calories be trans fat. If you consume 2,000 calories a day, that works out to 2 grams of trans fat or less, or about 20 calories."
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/trans-fat/CL00032/NSECTIONGROUP=2
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psyconaught said: your being intellectually dishonest with yourself. It is toxic above a certain threshold.
Exactly. And by adding them to things like potato chips at questionable levels, we take in more trans fats than we're supposed to. It's not a matter of the unnatural ones being toxic, it's that people who eat alot of junk food get too much trans fat. Your argument is misleading.
"How much trans fat you can safely consume is debatable. However, there's no question you should limit trans fat, according to the Food and Drug Administration and the American Heart Association (AHA).
In the United States, food nutrition labels don't list a Daily Value for trans fat because it's unknown what an appropriate level of trans fat is, other than it should be low. The AHA recommends that no more than 1 percent of your total daily calories be trans fat. If you consume 2,000 calories a day, that works out to 2 grams of trans fat or less, or about 20 calories."
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/trans-fat/CL00032/NSECTIONGROUP=2
the data has changed and the fda says its a concern that we consume 1 gram a day
and all it takes is one fat molecule being absorbed to do damage because of the free radicals free radicals and it messes up the lipid bi-layer so the effects may not be noticeable at those levels but they are occurring.
and who knows maybe the natural one could still be harmful but it would be on the same basis as tuna and its natural content of mercury
but mercury still isn't allowed beyond very minute quantities in food.
(mercury in tuna was actually found not to be a problem because of the selenium content which binds to mercury so something similar could be occurring in meat)
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Except mercury levels in tuna are due to pollution...Mercury is not an essential vitamin or building block of the tuna's meat. Lol.
"The rate of mercury contamination in tuna and other Pacific fish has increased 30% since about 1990, and is expected to increase another 50% if China continues to build more coal-fired power plants to fuel its industrial revolution."
"Mercury levels in the Northern Pacific have already increased a staggering 30% in about 15 years, and are expected to rise another 50% by 2050. This stunning increase is a direct result of China's rapid industrialization, which has included the construction of as many as one new coal-fired power plant a week, by some estimates."
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/tuna-mercury-47050102
"There was tuna in my diet every day, just about," Lee Porrazzo told the Post. "I thought it was the cleanest source of protein." Hopefully he wasn't planning on doing theater any time soon."
http://gothamist.com/2010/10/19/man_eats_absurd_amount_of_tuna_gets.php
The moral of the story: Avoid trans fats where you can. Don't eat chips and processed foods every day. Restaurants are using less trans fat based oils anyway, due to market demands. Not because of an upcoming FDA ban. Most places use peanut oil to fry their foods. Just like that guy who got mercury poisoning from the tuna, whoever is having heart attacks because they're eating cheap "food" every day, needs to take some responsibility for their lives.
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you are aware that virtually everything causes cell damage in one way or another right? That why we grow new ones and replace the old ones. We get an entirely new body roughly every seven years.
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Except mercury levels in tuna are due to pollution...Mercury is not an essential vitamin or building block of the tuna's meat. Lol.
"The rate of mercury contamination in tuna and other Pacific fish has increased 30% since about 1990, and is expected to increase another 50% if China continues to build more coal-fired power plants to fuel its industrial revolution."
"Mercury levels in the Northern Pacific have already increased a staggering 30% in about 15 years, and are expected to rise another 50% by 2050. This stunning increase is a direct result of China's rapid industrialization, which has included the construction of as many as one new coal-fired power plant a week, by some estimates."
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/tuna-mercury-47050102
pollution yes but you are forgetting that it is NOT an issue because of the high selenium content
if there was something that prevented trans fats from being absorbed by the body and they added that then by all mean add it and keep trans fats.
besides other data suggests it comes from natural sources
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/12/031205053316.htm
http://www.pbs.org/now/science/mercuryinfish.html
Nearly all fish contain trace amounts of methylmercury. How does this element get into our fish supply? Mercury occurs both naturally and from man-made sources.
it may not be essential to the fish but the bacteria lower on the food chain uses/converts it to another form of mercury that is easily digested.
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neurogenesis rarely occurs in the brain so those cellls are different, which is why its a concern because the brain is made up of 60% fat and the trans fats become part of the brain causing damage.
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Tell that to the guy suing Bumblebee. Or lots of children who get mercury poisoning from tuna whose dumb parents feed them alot of it at young ages.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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lonelyjew said: neurogenesis rarely occurs in the brain so those cellls are different, which is why its a concern because the brain is made up of 60% fat and the trans fats become part of the brain causing damage.
oh really cause weren't you touting that the reason for the ban is heart complications? suddenly its brain damage? How about you just be honest and say that you don't like if therefore you don't think anyone else has the right to sell/consume something you dislike.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
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lonelyjew said: neurogenesis rarely occurs in the brain so those cellls are different, which is why its a concern because the brain is made up of 60% fat and the trans fats become part of the brain causing damage.
oh really cause weren't you touting that the reason for the ban is heart complications? suddenly its brain damage? How about you just be honest and say that you don't like if therefore you don't think anyone else has the right to sell/consume something you dislike.
have you been reading the thread? when did i say that heart complications were the only reason it was being banned?
here are some quotes from the thread
"its banned for numerous reasons and its overall toxicity with NO nutritional value" (already clarified that in order for it to be nutritious it has to be efficient)
"actually because of the rigid structure of trans fats it messes with the lipid by-layer allowing for even less nutrients and more toxins to permeate.
not to mention our bodies arn't equipped to handle the rigid structure causing even more problems
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6263505
lets not forget liver disfunction and fertility
;8 liver dysfunction – because trans fats are metabolised differently to other fats and may interfere with the essential fatty acids important for liver function http://www.ion.ac.uk/information/onarchives/fatsoflife"
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Tell that to the guy suing Bumblebee. Or lots of children who get mercury poisoning from tuna whose dumb parents feed them alot of it at young ages.
its toxic to young children so it should have an age restriction but once past a certain age it is safe
and it definitely SHOULD be listed that it is not safe for consumption when pregnant and its horrible for children.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
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psyconaught said: i agree with you on the labeling. Close the loopholes, disclose exactly whats in it and let consumers decide for themselves. But banning it? Fuck that nanny state bull shit.
You "libertarians" would be just as upset about such a decision. Complaining about a nanny state, or an overbearing government. Self-regulation obviously was a failure. Why are you still an advocate for failure?
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19215074 - 12/01/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psyconaught said: i agree with you on the labeling. Close the loopholes, disclose exactly whats in it and let consumers decide for themselves. But banning it? Fuck that nanny state bull shit.
You "libertarians" would be just as upset about such a decision. Complaining about a nanny state, or an overbearing government. Self-regulation obviously was a failure. Why are you still an advocate for failure?
i just stated that i would be in favor for stricter labeling so i'm not sure what your point is.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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psyconaught said: i agree with you on the labeling. Close the loopholes, disclose exactly whats in it and let consumers decide for themselves. But banning it? Fuck that nanny state bull shit.
You "libertarians" would be just as upset about such a decision. Complaining about a nanny state, or an overbearing government. Self-regulation obviously was a failure. Why are you still an advocate for failure?
im still waiting for them to decide how much is okay
whats the difference between forcing a company to label something and forcing a company to not lie and not sell a non food product as food?
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: pretzelking]
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pretzelking said: Just because something isn't a necessity doesn't mean we should ban it. Like it or not trans fats metabolize in our bodies into little ole calories and give us energy. It may be hard for our bodies to digest said fats because of the bent tail of the organic molecule "trans" fat. It doesn't mean its a toxin however.
Seems to be some evidence that it is harmful over time. However I'm a believer in a govt that educates rather than stipulates. Give people honest information and let them make up their own minds. So what then if most go down a hard road. That's their business. 
but,
don't make me pay for it with higher insurance rates. Let people bear the full price of their choices.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
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pretzelking said: Just because something isn't a necessity doesn't mean we should ban it. Like it or not trans fats metabolize in our bodies into little ole calories and give us energy. It may be hard for our bodies to digest said fats because of the bent tail of the organic molecule "trans" fat. It doesn't mean its a toxin however.
Seems to be some evidence that it is harmful over time. However I'm a believer in a govt that educates rather than stipulates. Give people honest information and let them make up their own minds. So what then if most go down a hard road. That's their business. 
but,
don't make me pay for it with higher insurance rates. Let people bear the full price of their choices.
you seem to be a lot more reasonable then some of the other people
really the only thing this ban does is prevent it from being sold as a food product you are allowed to eat it and do whatever you want its just companies can't really sell it as food because its toxic and isn't even under the definition of food
now if they were completely banning it that would be a different story.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19217832 - 12/02/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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no noe is claiming it is a food or that it is being sold as a food :face palm: its a FOOD ADDITIVE. just like citric acid or baking soda
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
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food food additive regardless its being sold for human consumption
and again technically before it was found to be toxic it was considered food
toxic= shouldn't be in food
when it is IN food it makes that food technically toxic so food products containing this toxin should not be sold as food products.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
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People aren't unknowingly drinking gallons of water . Nice try at a false equivalency though.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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the point was that amount is everything. Trans fats ARE consumed every day in safe amounts. Thats been shown over and over again in this thread. And really? Nice jerry picking with the 'false equivalency' argument. I'm not the one comparing trans fats and lead.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19221015 - 12/03/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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lonelyjew said: What about the people who can't afford anything else?
What will they buy if trans fats are banned?
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
#19222864 - 12/03/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psyconaught said: the point was that amount is everything. Trans fats ARE consumed every day in safe amounts. Thats been shown over and over again in this thread. And really? Nice jerry picking with the 'false equivalency' argument. I'm not the one comparing trans fats and lead.
Amount is everything, correct, so when you're told there is "no trans fat" as food labels are saying, when in reality there could be just under .5g per serving, you don't know how much you're consuming.
If private companies would have taken it on themselves not to be dishonest with their customers, this regulation wouldn't exist. Instead of being honest about the amount of trans fat, they decided to use a loophole in the labeling requirements to trick people.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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i already agreed labeling loopholes should be closed. I agree completely with labeling, GMO's should be labeled as well. We are in 100% agreement on that. What i do not agree with is banning trans fats. Tighten labeling requirements and let individuals choose what they want to eat.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
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psyconaught said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication
lets ban water in foods!
everything is toxic in high amounts
trans fats are toxic in any amount. Quote:
psyconaught said: the point was that amount is everything. Trans fats ARE consumed every day in safe amounts. Thats been shown over and over again in this thread. And really? Nice jerry picking with the 'false equivalency' argument. I'm not the one comparing trans fats and lead.
the fda clearly said that the average is 1 gram and that that is a concern
this is about artificial trans fats which have been shown to be toxic the amount found in meats are not part of this
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