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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew] * 3
    #19204936 - 11/29/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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its banned for numerous reasons and its overall toxicity with NO nutritional value



You are using words incorrectly. Of course transfats have nutritional value. They are a calory-dense source of energy just as is olive oil. They yield the same nine calories per gram that butter does. Or Canola oil.

Carbohydrates are nutrients. Fats (including trans-fats) are nutrients. Proteins are nutrients. Some minerals and non-energy-supplying molecules (vitamins) are also nutrients. All of them have nutritional value.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19204939 - 11/29/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

sadly sometimes its nessacary for instance when some states wanted slavery and others didn't...




and again please answer my comment on the lead and mercury power drink its the same concept.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew] * 1
    #19204951 - 11/29/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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sadly sometimes its nessacary for instance when some states wanted slavery and others didn't...




and again please answer my comment on the lead and mercury power drink its the same concept.





no it isn't.  No company would knowingly put mercury or lead in their food.  They would be open to litigation if they did.  I know a family that ate pork that had eaten mercury treated seed-grain when I was a kid.  Fucked them up something horrible. 

As far as the instance about slavery--correct.  That was a clear case of constitutional infringement by some states over citizens.

The federal government has no business regulating anything outside its constitutional jurisdiction in the states.  You want to know why things are so fucked up in the US it is the US Federal government sticking their noses in things that they shouldn't be concerned about.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: Phred]
    #19204963 - 11/29/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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its banned for numerous reasons and its overall toxicity with NO nutritional value



You are using words incorrectly. Of course transfats have nutritional value. They are a calory-dense source of energy just as is olive oil. They yield the same nine calories per gram that butter does. Or Canola oil.

Carbohydrates are nutrients. Fats (including trans-fats) are nutrients. Proteins are nutrients. Some minerals and non-energy-supplying molecules (vitamins) are also nutrients. All of them have nutritional value.


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sorry let me clarify while it may have calories so does asbestos and most other toxic plants have SOME sort of nutritional value BUT the definition of nutritious

is

nu·tri·tious
n(y)o͞oˈtriSHəs/
adjective
adjective: nutritious

    1.
    nourishing; efficient as food.


the key word is EFFICIENT so 9 calories don't mean shit when its destroying your cells.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19204968 - 11/29/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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sadly sometimes its nessacary for instance when some states wanted slavery and others didn't...




and again please answer my comment on the lead and mercury power drink its the same concept.





no it isn't.  No company would knowingly put mercury or lead in their food.  They would be open to litigation if they did.  I know a family that ate pork that had eaten mercury treated seed-grain when I was a kid.  Fucked them up something horrible. 

As far as the instance about slavery--correct.  That was a clear case of constitutional infringement by some states over citizens.

The federal government has no business regulating anything outside its constitutional jurisdiction in the states.  You want to know why things are so fucked up in the US it is the US Federal government sticking their noses in things that they shouldn't be concerned about.







there would be no legal action because it would be legal correct? buyer beware?


they also legally wouldn't have to test for it correct?


and whats the difference between forcing them to list ingredients so you can know and forcing them to test or even forcing them to take out toxic ingredients lead/trans fats


would you be okay with companies not having to test for lead?


and lead used to be made with paint before the government banned it.


that's what happened with trans fats and now the companies aren't allowed to have them anymore because of the dangers.



and unknowingly poisoning someone for profit could easily fit in that same category


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19204977 - 11/29/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

LOL.  You are paranoid.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19204978 - 11/29/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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and they tried to have the companies label them and they refused to and used every loophole they could







I see transfat percentages on all kinds of food labels.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #19204987 - 11/29/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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and they tried to have the companies label them and they refused to and used every loophole they could







I see transfat percentages on all kinds of food labels.







where do you live?


i know her ein california and all the other states ive been to if its under .5 grams per serving they don't legally have to list it on the label, and considering there is no safe level for human consumption its quite a bit.

they still have to list partially hydrogenated oil on the ingredients but you have no idea how much you are consuming or if you have it in there at for instance margarine may or may not contain trans fats so how the hell are you supposed to know?


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19204989 - 11/29/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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LOL.  You are paranoid.






says the one who is afraid of a nanny government because a citizen initiated a ban on a toxic substance sold as food and even marketed as healthy at some point.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19204991 - 11/29/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That's right, in 1984 they did have the exercise periods didn't they?  But they allowed smoking.  LOL.

One of the key points I put in that sarcastic farce of a post above was that the party insiders and upper elites are exempt from the rules because they know what is best for the worker.

We can already see that mentality taking root in the US, one of the most glaring examples is Obamacare.





I wonder if they rationed people's cigarettes by how much time a cigarette takes off your life? Maybe they can simply measure the amount of transfat in people's blood every day via blood sampling so we know we're not getting toxic amounts...They can use that to determine if we're doing drugs as well, and our homogenized society will be perfect.

Ban Transfats in the Soilent Green! ha.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #19204994 - 11/29/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well considering ANY amount is toxic it shouldn't even be legal if intended for consumption there is absolutely NO reason for it to be listed as a food product.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19205008 - 11/29/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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and they tried to have the companies label them and they refused to and used every loophole they could







I see transfat percentages on all kinds of food labels.







where do you live?


i know her ein california and all the other states ive been to if its under .5 grams per serving they don't legally have to list it on the label, and considering there is no safe level for human consumption its quite a bit.

they still have to list partially hydrogenated oil on the ingredients but you have no idea how much you are consuming or if you have it in there at for instance margarine may or may not contain trans fats so how the hell are you supposed to know?




While I understand that that is misleading, I think it is safe to assume that if it says trans fat on the nutritional label, even if it says zero percent, that there is transfat in there. If it doesn't have trans fat on the nutritional label, it's not in the food.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19205028 - 11/29/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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well considering ANY amount is toxic it shouldn't even be legal if intended for consumption there is absolutely NO reason for it to be listed as a food product.





"The American Heart Association recommends limiting total trans fat intake to less than 1 percent of our total daily calories, which means less than 2 grams per day for many people. Since most of us get that much from naturally occurring trans fat in red meat and dairy, we need to cut trans fat from other foods to zero. That means checking every ingredient list and bypassing foods that declare any hydrogenated oils or partially hydrogenated oils, even if it states "trans fat 0 g" on the nutrition panel."

http://www.cbn.com/health/nutrition/Reinke_transfats.aspx

Like I said, if you don't want an overabundance of trans fat in your diet, avoid anything that has trans fat, on the label.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew] * 1
    #19205029 - 11/29/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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LOL.  You are paranoid.






says the one who is afraid of a nanny government because a citizen initiated a ban on a toxic substance sold as food and even marketed as healthy at some point.





Actually I am a lot more afraid of the government putting a leash around my neck than I am about some random company adding transfats to my food. 

By the way, if you live in california, you should have access to all kinds of inexpensive fruits and vegetables.  The markets are loaded with them.  That's probably one of the best things in california.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew] * 2
    #19205227 - 11/29/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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nu·tri·tious
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adjective
adjective: nutritious

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    nourishing; efficient as food.


the key word is EFFICIENT so 9 calories don't mean shit when its destroying your cells.



You are using words incorrectly. Fats are in fact the most efficient substances at delivering energy to the body at 9 calories per gram. Proteins and carbohydrates deliver just 4 calories per gram. Asbestos delivers 0 calories per gram, as the body is incapable of extracting energy from asbestos.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19205273 - 11/29/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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lonelyjew said:
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lonelyjew said:


and they tried to have the companies label them and they refused to and used every loophole they could







I see transfat percentages on all kinds of food labels.







where do you live?


i know her ein california and all the other states ive been to if its under .5 grams per serving they don't legally have to list it on the label, and considering there is no safe level for human consumption its quite a bit.

they still have to list partially hydrogenated oil on the ingredients but you have no idea how much you are consuming or if you have it in there at for instance margarine may or may not contain trans fats so how the hell are you supposed to know?




While I understand that that is misleading, I think it is safe to assume that if it says trans fat on the nutritional label, even if it says zero percent, that there is transfat in there. If it doesn't have trans fat on the nutritional label, it's not in the food.







that's still not necessarily true.






and although they recommend keeping it under 2 grams the FDA  and other organizations have found that it is even toxic in those amounts, there is NO safe level, and the FDA was concerned because we still consume an average of 1 gram a day



http://cspinet.org/new/200207101.html




because quite frankly it is just NOT safe at any level










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LOL.  You are paranoid.






says the one who is afraid of a nanny government because a citizen initiated a ban on a toxic substance sold as food and even marketed as healthy at some point.





Actually I am a lot more afraid of the government putting a leash around my neck than I am about some random company adding transfats to my food. 

By the way, if you live in california, you should have access to all kinds of inexpensive fruits and vegetables.  The markets are loaded with them.  That's probably one of the best things in california.








did they put a leash on you when they forced companies to label ingredients?

did they put a leash on you when they made water companies test for lead before it could be sold?


did they put a leash on you when the banned paint with lead in it?


again what is the difference between lead contamination and forcing them to test regularly and remove the lead and making companies take other toxic substances out of food?


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: Phred]
    #19205316 - 11/29/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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nu·tri·tious
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adjective
adjective: nutritious

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    nourishing; efficient as food.


the key word is EFFICIENT so 9 calories don't mean shit when its destroying your cells.



You are using words incorrectly. Fats are in fact the most efficient substances at delivering energy to the body at 9 calories per gram. Proteins and carbohydrates deliver just 4 calories per gram. Asbestos delivers 0 calories per gram, as the body is incapable of extracting energy from asbestos.


Phred






actually because of the rigid structure of trans fats it messes with the lipid by-layer allowing for even less nutrients and more toxins to permeate.

not to mention our bodies arn't equipped to handle the rigid structure causing even more problems

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6263505


lets not forget liver disfunction and fertility

;8 liver dysfunction – because trans fats are metabolised differently to other fats and may interfere with the essential fatty acids important for liver function


http://www.ion.ac.uk/information/onarchives/fatsoflife








so how exactly is something beneficent at nourishing something when it literally destroys the thing its supposed to be nourishing?


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew] * 1
    #19205702 - 11/29/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't thinks its the federal government's responsibility to ban a substance in such a way. Leave it up to the individual to decide what is best for him or her.

I looked through my kitchen and almost everything of mine has no transfat at all anyway. All my cooking oils have no transfat my REAL butter has no transfat, anything remotely fatty I could think of had no trans fat in it already. My opinion is that most people probably don't consume large amounts of transfat anyways and its stupid to ban such a thing. Hell none of my chips have any trans fat. It would appear that private enterprise is ahead of the government on the transfat thing.

Also I live in Michigan, I don't think we regulate trans fat here.


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    #19205743 - 11/29/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't thinks its the federal government's responsibility to ban a substance in such a way. Leave it up to the individual to decide what is best for him or her.

I looked through my kitchen and almost everything of mine has no transfat at all anyway. All my cooking oils have no transfat my REAL butter has no transfat, anything remotely fatty I could think of had no trans fat in it already. My opinion is that most people probably don't consume large amounts of transfat anyways and its stupid to ban such a thing. Hell none of my chips have any trans fat. It would appear that private enterprise is ahead of the government on the transfat thing.

Also I live in Michigan, I don't think we regulate trans fat here.





Hush hush.  You are too stupid to think for yourself.  You need a Nanny in DC to do it for you.  :smirk:


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: pretzelking]
    #19205848 - 11/29/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't thinks its the federal government's responsibility to ban a substance in such a way. Leave it up to the individual to decide what is best for him or her.

I looked through my kitchen and almost everything of mine has no transfat at all anyway. All my cooking oils have no transfat my REAL butter has no transfat, anything remotely fatty I could think of had no trans fat in it already. My opinion is that most people probably don't consume large amounts of transfat anyways and its stupid to ban such a thing. Hell none of my chips have any trans fat. It would appear that private enterprise is ahead of the government on the transfat thing.

Also I live in Michigan, I don't think we regulate trans fat here.








did you look at the label or the ingredients?


the companies like to lie if you see the words partially hydrogenated ANYWHERE it has trans fats










starfire are you going to answer the questions i will re post them


you keep thinking that somehow there would be legal action taken but you are wrong because that wouldn't work anyway



are you okay with the govenmernt forcing companies to label the ingredients?


why is it okay to force them to do that?


if not then how the hell can you even know what you are consuming and whether its safe





AND are you okay with a water company not testing for lead because isn't that the government interfering to?


and would you be okay with mercury being labeled for human consumption???



you keep thinking legal action will magically happen but trans fats unknowingly kill 20-30 thousand people a YEAR and no one has sued them because its pretty damn hard to sue a billion dollar company.


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