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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: setb]
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
#19204654 - 11/29/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Every thread basicly goes like this " Im a libertarian who knows the answer to everything. That answer is everyone who doesn't think like me is a moonbat."
that sounds more like a liberal. The libertarian standpoint is that the individual knows what is best for themselves. Therefore decisions should be left to the individual. In a libertarian society no one would force an individual to not consume or consume certain products.
who is forcing anyone to not consume this product? again you can have trans fats the same way you can sprinkle lead on your food, restaurants just aren't allowed to put it out and label it as food.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19204672 - 11/29/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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it is barring restaurant and other business owners from selling the products they want to sell.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
#19204687 - 11/29/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: it is barring restaurant and other business owners from selling the products they want to sell.
its preventing them from lying and selling a non food product as food, they can sell trans fats still they just can't sell it as food because its not food, in the exact same way they can sell lead, would you be okay with them labeling mercury as an energy drink?
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19204702 - 11/29/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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trans fat is a food product. I don't know whats so hard for you to understand about that. Its a food product in the same way citric acid is. Or baking soda.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
#19204723 - 11/29/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes and i listed you a definition of food additive which is what you are thinking of and lead is ALSO a food additive by that same definition.
food additive Web definitions
an additive to food intended to improve its flavor or appearance or shelf-life
trans fats and lead are a food additive right? no not legally because they are TOXIC(well not trans fats yet)
now as far as food products go neither lead NOR trans fats are a food product because they both have zero nutritional value
food product Web definitions
foodstuff: a substance that can be used or prepared for use as food
so that argument is completely invalid.
now again are you okay with them listing mercury as an energy drink? because that's similar to listing trans fats as a food PRODUCT.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew] 1
#19204778 - 11/29/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Trans fat is made by adding hydrogen to vegetable oil through a process called hydrogenation, which makes the oil less likely to spoil. Using trans fats in the manufacturing of foods helps foods stay fresh longer, have a longer shelf life and have a less greasy feel."
It adds shelf life. It's a food additive. Sugar is also poison, and just about anything in a high enough dose is. This is definitely over-regulation. Some degree of regulation is fine, this level is not.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/trans-fat/CL00032 Almost didn't add my source...
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yes it is a food additive but it is NOT a food product.
but as soon as it becomes recognized as toxic it will no longer legally be considered a food additive, or at least won't be aloud to be used as one.
The problem is it is also being sold as a food product which it is definitely not(not to mention its sold for human consumption even though it is toxic)
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So, is banning transfats called for because they contribute to coronary artery disease?
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew] 1
#19204834 - 11/29/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cigarettes, toxic. Totally not banned. Alcohol, an intoxicant, literally made to be toxic. Definitely not banned. It's totally sold for human consumption.
"Water, just like any other substance, can be considered a poison when over-consumed in a specific period of time. Water intoxication mostly occurs when water is being consumed in a high quantity without giving the body the proper nutrients it needs to be healthy.[2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication
I wouldn't be against labeling foods with trans fat in them so the people consuming it could make the choice of whether or not to eat it. Stop banning everything. It's fucking with the gene pool...
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
#19204841 - 11/29/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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its banned for numerous reasons and its overall toxicity with NO nutritional value
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19204846 - 11/29/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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again trans fats are not banned you can buy them and eat them all you want restaurants just can't put them in food because they are toxic the same way they cannot put lead in food.
would you be okay with lead in your food or how about mercury marketed as an energy drink?
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] 1
#19204858 - 11/29/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah. "High blood cholesterol levels typically result from a combination of genetic and environmental risk factors. Lifestyle choices including diet, exercise, and tobacco smoking strongly influence the amount of cholesterol in the blood. Additional factors that impact cholesterol levels include a person's gender, age, and health problems such as diabetes and obesity."
It looks like many things contribute to high blood cholesterol besides transfats. Hmmm....no wonder my cholesterol levels are always good. I have the genetics for low cholesterol. So I have an idea.
Let's gather the whole collective outside each morning in their grey workers uniforms at 6am. That is the mandatory exercise time for the collective exercise period. After all, lack of exercise contributes to coronoary artery disease.
Next, after workers mandatory exericse, they march in formation to the Collective kitchen, where they receive their morning bowl of oatmeal and half a banana. After all, a healthy lifestyle makes for a healthy worker and a proud collective.
Then, its off to the factory until the next worker function.
Note: Party members and leaders are exempt from the collective policies as the party elites know what is best for all and are responsible.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
#19204862 - 11/29/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm actually agreeing with you for once starfire. Now you go all 1984 on me? I don't want to see this ban on transfats, or cigarettes or alcohol. Or any drug. Everyone knows transfats are bad for you. All I say is, sell your product with a clear statement that that shits in there.
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nonono I wasn't writing that for your benefit, i know you were agreeing with me.
I should have addressed it to Lonelyjew.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew] 2
#19204882 - 11/29/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lonelyjew said: again trans fats are not banned you can buy them and eat them all you want restaurants just can't put them in food because they are toxic the same way they cannot put lead in food.
would you be okay with lead in your food or how about mercury marketed as an energy drink?
Well by God. Lets not let resteraunts put salt on the table,and lets ban sugary drinks larger than 16 ounces also. After all, no one is banning you from using salt or drinking sugary drinks they are just preventing evil businesses fom serving them.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
#19204889 - 11/29/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I hope it benefits him, that book taught me alot.
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That's right, in 1984 they did have the exercise periods didn't they? But they allowed smoking. LOL.
One of the key points I put in that sarcastic farce of a post above was that the party insiders and upper elites are exempt from the rules because they know what is best for the worker.
We can already see that mentality taking root in the US, one of the most glaring examples is Obamacare.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
#19204917 - 11/29/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: Yeah. "High blood cholesterol levels typically result from a combination of genetic and environmental risk factors. Lifestyle choices including diet, exercise, and tobacco smoking strongly influence the amount of cholesterol in the blood. Additional factors that impact cholesterol levels include a person's gender, age, and health problems such as diabetes and obesity."
It looks like many things contribute to high blood cholesterol besides transfats. Hmmm....no wonder my cholesterol levels are always good. I have the genetics for low cholesterol. So I have an idea.
Let's gather the whole collective outside each morning in their grey workers uniforms at 6am. That is the mandatory exercise time for the collective exercise period. After all, lack of exercise contributes to coronoary artery disease.
Next, after workers mandatory exericse, they march in formation to the Collective kitchen, where they receive their morning bowl of oatmeal and half a banana. After all, a healthy lifestyle makes for a healthy worker and a proud collective.
Then, its off to the factory until the next worker function.
Note: Party members and leaders are exempt from the collective policies as the party elites know what is best for all and are responsible.

you are forgetting that trans fats are NOT only a concern when it comes to cholesterol... it causes numerous other problems and AGAIN no one is forced to do anything!!!! restaurants just can't put toxic non food items in your food that's all you are free to buy it and put it in yourself all you want.
and they tried to have the companies label them and they refused to and used every loophole they could
and again what is the difference between forcing a company to label their product clearly and forcing them to remove toxic substances?
and NO because sugar and salt are necessary for humans over consumption is the fault of the buyer but there is NO safe amount when it comes to trans fats and it is NOT even legally food.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew] 2
#19204933 - 11/29/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'll tell you what Lonelyjew. You let your state ban whatever they want. I'll vote in my state about whether we ban transfats or not. OK? Don't need the one-size fits all Federal government beaurocrats deciding for our states, do we?
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